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[ExtremeOne]

MizzNaaa wrote...

It is trolling.

Plus, people seem to forget the political aspects of the story, like say..uh humans finally having a say in the galaxy! Whether or not you saved the council, humans now get to have a say, it goes without saying that they choose more spectres to join. And if somebody bloody remembers the first game, the reason why Udina wanted Shepard among the spectres is because they needed someone who's loyal to the core to humanity and the Alliance, someone who could be the leverage they need to have a larger role on the galactic spectrum. Now let's think here, if humans finally get to -say- have half a dozen agents in the spectres who'd Anderson or Udina think of first? The human heros who were with Shepard saving the citadel and the galaxy, ala Kaidan/Ash depending on who survived.

Why? Because they're damn good soldiers, they're loyal to the Alliance and -OH MY GOD- they stepped up to Shepard and refused to join her/him on Horizon because they have beliefs and stood by them.

So yeah, the whole 'Payback's a b*tch' and 'How dare they stand up to my Shepard, I shall kill them all' is just kinda childish in my opinion, because oh my god there's a character in a video game who didn't worship the main hero. And yeah, fyi, Kaidan/Ash actually owned up to their behavior on Horizon and sent the damn email for a reason.

Plus, you tell me, the love of your life is dead for 2 years, then all of a sudden you get 'REPORTS' telling you oh, your lovie isn't dead, he/she is alive, well and kicking ass with terrorists!

Resurrection according to the ME world isn't 'common' or 'normal' it's cutting edge technology and breakthrough in medicine, so they thought Shep was undercover. A 2 minute reunion when you're overwhelmed by the fact that your lover is actually alive, didn't try to contact you isn't enough for you to rationalize things, and decide their might be some truth to what Shepard says. So they left, and when they had some time to sit down and let it all sink in, they realized that what they did was wrong and apologized and hoped for things to be better.

And they left you a way out.

Truth is, to me, that gives them more character and depth than any other character in that game. Garrus -as much as I love him, seriously I freaking adore him- was being stupid and irrational, doing the exact same things Shepard taught him not to (paragon Shep that is), and going to 'save' people on his own as a merc. Look where it got him, just because Shepard died. And Tali, well Tali refused to join, and was skeptical at first, but eventually had the chance to join and so she did. The VS also eventually will have that chance, but in ME3 and that's why they're joining...

Again, that's just my opinion.

    







Lets get one thing straight . Its not about them not joining Shepard on Horizon . Its the whole I am going to F**king chew your ass out for working with Cerberus and being a traitor . Bioware made it so Shepard just stands there like a dummy and take it . Then he has no real way to respond .  Now in ME 3 bioware wants to stick those 2 on My Ship and tell me oh they are now buddies with Shepard bull sh*t . Oh and this crap about I am a alliance soldier and I know where my alliginace is at . Are you kidding Me you mean to tell me that these 2 are going to get way with disrespecting the man that saved the Citadael . Bioware has a protection bubble around these 2 and its garbage. You VS Fans think these 2 can get away with any dam thing .  

[Pwener2313]

didymos1120 wrote...

You can find some in the ME thread on gamepunch.com. Page 71 I believe.

Woot!

[Almostfaceman]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Lets get one thing straight . Its not about them not joining Shepard on Horizon . Its the whole I am going to F**king chew your ass out for working with Cerberus and being a traitor . Bioware made it so Shepard just stands there like a dummy and take it . Then he has no real way to respond .  Now in ME 3 bioware wants to stick those 2 on My Ship and tell me oh they are now buddies with Shepard bull sh*t . Oh and this crap about I am a alliance soldier and I know where my alliginace is at . Are you kidding Me you mean to tell me that these 2 are going to get way with disrespecting the man that saved the Citadael . Bioware has a protection bubble around these 2 and its garbage. You VS Fans think these 2 can get away with any dam thing .  

[Sajuro]

I wouldn't want that, since (probably said already) every Spectre Shepard meets dies within three missions of them meeting (because Saren was running like little ****) so I would feel obligated to get Ashley killed, by sending her back to virmire... with a nuke.... Ashley for Spectre, ME3!

[Pani Mauser]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Babe Mause wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...
They refused to work for Shepard because he was allied with a terrorist group. That does not mean that, when under his orders, they'd refuse a command again. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

It means, VS trust Alliance more than s/he trusts Shepard. How can you be sure that they won't shoot you in the back when Alliance tells them so?

  


I bet they would kill Shepard as well . As Ashley said on horizon she is a alliance soldier . She does not  give a dam about Shepard .  

And after that is done, Kaiden will say someting like 
Do you even remember that night before Ilos? That night meant everything to me... maybe it meant as much to you. But a lot has changed in the last years and I can't just put that aside. I've watched too many thing go wrong. I couldn't bear it if you became one of those things. I'm so sorry, but that had to be done. I love you and I always will.

And Ash will read some meaningful poem over Shep's corpse of how she is sorry and how she couldn't put her feelings before her duty, and that she will always cry in her heart, but she knows where her loyalties lie, and her duty demanded to do so.

And all VS fans will cry in the defence 'but they APOLOGIZED'! 

[100k]

Moiaussi wrote...

100k wrote...

You're assuming that they'd be under his orders. As Spectres, the VS doesn't answer to Shepard. If they felt strongly enough that what Shepard was doing was wrong, they could kill him, his team, his crew, and go back to the Council to explain themselves. NO! I am NOT saying that is what will happen. NO! I am not saying that they have the ability to kill Shepard n Co. What I am saying is that, as Spectres, they are independent agents.

Everyone is an independant agent though. Samara could decide Shepard has gone too far. Morinth or Jack could just rebel out of boredom. Mordin could have orders from the STG. Kasumi or Zaeed could spot an opportunity. Miranda could be blackmailed by threats against her sister. Legion could conclude that Shepard is a risk to the Geth. Tali could become torn between loyalty to her late father and to Shepard. Grunt could just get fed up and decide Shepard is too weak or Garrus that Shep is too forgiving. Jacob? Who knows... jealousy over Miranda maybe?

None of those are likely either (and some of them are particularly cheesy), but the point is that any order is only as binding as the recipient allows it to be.

All of the characters you mentioned are under Shepard's command, and wouldn't dodge out.

Samara swore a Justicar Oath. She wouldn't betray her lifestyle choice. Jack needs Shepard for the Cerberus data files and money. Mordin loves the challenge, and he's an ex STG operative. Kasumi and Zaeed are, by the sounds of it, getting paid millions of credits to work with Shepard. Miranda, as stated before, puts aside personal issues for the greater good. As does Jacob. Garrus is loyal to Shepard no matter what. Tali...well, she might choose to leave. She was prepared to bail on Shepard to go to the Flotilla for the trial. Grunt clearly states that he just loves to fight and kill. He loves being Shepard's muscle. Thane is dying, so his leaving seems inevitable. Legion would only conclude that Shepard is a risk to the geth, if Shepard WAS an actual risk to the geth. Garrus is Shepard's Original Gangster.

[gorrillasnake]

 This is my Gameinformer scan
look closely Here

youll see grey

[gorrillasnake]

gorrillasnake wrote...

 This is my Gameinformer scan
look closely Here

youll see grey

[FenrisDeSolar]

gorrillasnake wrote...

 This is my Gameinformer scan
look closely Here

youll see grey

Dude, that's the clasp of her bodysuit.

[gorrillasnake]

look closely stare at it and youll see grey....

FenrisDeSolar wrote...

gorrillasnake wrote...

 This is my Gameinformer scan
look closely Here

youll see grey

Dude, that's the clasp of her bodysuit.

[ExtremeOne]

Babe Mause wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Babe Mause wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...
They refused to work for Shepard because he was allied with a terrorist group. That does not mean that, when under his orders, they'd refuse a command again. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

It means, VS trust Alliance more than s/he trusts Shepard. How can you be sure that they won't shoot you in the back when Alliance tells them so?

  


I bet they would kill Shepard as well . As Ashley said on horizon she is a alliance soldier . She does not  give a dam about Shepard .  

And after that is done, Kaiden will say someting like 
Do you even remember that night before Ilos? That night meant everything to me... maybe it meant as much to you. But a lot has changed in the last years and I can't just put that aside. I've watched too many thing go wrong. I couldn't bear it if you became one of those things. I'm so sorry, but that had to be done. I love you and I always will.

And Ash will read some meaningful poem over Shep's corpse of how she is sorry and how she couldn't put her feelings before her duty, and that she will always cry in her heart, but she knows where her loyalties lie, and her duty demanded to do so.

And all VS fans will cry in the defence 'but they APOLOGIZED'! 

    





Well I do not trust them at all not after ME 2 . In fact I do not trust anything that has to do with the alliance  

[Arijharn]

In regards to the OP; I'd be disappointed if the VS gets turned into a Spectre if only because Spectre's are supposed to be 'exceptional individuals' and lets be perfectly honest; no matter how much you 'love' Ash or Kaidan, they aren't exceptional or super capable like every other Spectre we've met.

Nihilus? We hear the exploits of his past actions... maybe a little 'romantic' I suppose, but he was hardcore enough to shun you and your squad and dropped himself (all alone) into an active war zone and said he's faster on his own.

Saren? He may be a little deluded, but he was still 'exceptional' judging by his capabilities during the events of ME1 and prior to that.

Tela? SB and the things she did/could do during this.

I can picture the Alliance doing some psyop sort of stuff by getting the VS to 'bring you in' for your trial at the start of ME3 though.

[Sajuro]

FenrisDeSolar wrote...

gorrillasnake wrote...

 This is my Gameinformer scan
look closely Here

youll see grey

Dude, that's the clasp of her bodysuit.

Under it, you should pick up the issue since that scan makes it near impossible to see if you haven't already seen it.

[Pwener2313]

If Ash is a spectre.... why not Kaidan too? He's armor has no Spectre logo on it, and he's more elligible for Spectre induction. This is enough to discredit this theory until more info is released.

[ExtremeOne]

Arijharn wrote...

In regards to the OP; I'd be disappointed if the VS gets turned into a Spectre if only because Spectre's are supposed to be 'exceptional individuals' and lets be perfectly honest; no matter how much you 'love' Ash or Kaidan, they aren't exceptional or super capable like every other Spectre we've met.

Nihilus? We hear the exploits of his past actions... maybe a little 'romantic' I suppose, but he was hardcore enough to shun you and your squad and dropped himself (all alone) into an active war zone and said he's faster on his own.

Saren? He may be a little deluded, but he was still 'exceptional' judging by his capabilities during the events of ME1 and prior to that.

Tela? SB and the things she did/could do during this.

I can picture the Alliance doing some psyop sort of stuff by getting the VS to 'bring you in' for your trial at the start of ME3 though.

    





If they are the ones that bring Shepard in . then oh hell yeah those 2 will get a lesson in Extreme revenge from My Shepard 

[didymos1120]

100k wrote...

All of the characters you mentioned are under Shepard's command, and wouldn't dodge out.

Voluntarily.  Besides Samara, only ME1 Ash/Kaidan have ever been formally obligated to follow Shep's orders, and that was still voluntary on her part. No one else was actually bound by something other than the simple fact of feeling like it for personal reasons. 

Modifié par didymos1120, 23 avril 2011 - 12:56 .

[didymos1120]

ExtremeOne wrote...

If they are the ones that bring Shepard in . then oh hell yeah those 2 will get a lesson in Extreme revenge from My Shepard 

Only in your fanfic.  And "Extreme revenge"?  Really?

[gorrillasnake]

fixed with photoshop here

Sajuro wrote...

FenrisDeSolar wrote...

gorrillasnake wrote...

 This is my Gameinformer scan
look closely Here

youll see grey

Dude, that's the clasp of her bodysuit.

Under it, you should pick up the issue since that scan makes it near impossible to see if you haven't already seen it.

Modifié par gorrillasnake, 23 avril 2011 - 12:55 .

[Ultai]

ExtremeOne wrote...

MizzNaaa wrote...

It is trolling.

Plus, people seem to forget the political aspects of the story, like say..uh humans finally having a say in the galaxy! Whether or not you saved the council, humans now get to have a say, it goes without saying that they choose more spectres to join. And if somebody bloody remembers the first game, the reason why Udina wanted Shepard among the spectres is because they needed someone who's loyal to the core to humanity and the Alliance, someone who could be the leverage they need to have a larger role on the galactic spectrum. Now let's think here, if humans finally get to -say- have half a dozen agents in the spectres who'd Anderson or Udina think of first? The human heros who were with Shepard saving the citadel and the galaxy, ala Kaidan/Ash depending on who survived.

Why? Because they're damn good soldiers, they're loyal to the Alliance and -OH MY GOD- they stepped up to Shepard and refused to join her/him on Horizon because they have beliefs and stood by them.

So yeah, the whole 'Payback's a b*tch' and 'How dare they stand up to my Shepard, I shall kill them all' is just kinda childish in my opinion, because oh my god there's a character in a video game who didn't worship the main hero. And yeah, fyi, Kaidan/Ash actually owned up to their behavior on Horizon and sent the damn email for a reason.

Plus, you tell me, the love of your life is dead for 2 years, then all of a sudden you get 'REPORTS' telling you oh, your lovie isn't dead, he/she is alive, well and kicking ass with terrorists!

Resurrection according to the ME world isn't 'common' or 'normal' it's cutting edge technology and breakthrough in medicine, so they thought Shep was undercover. A 2 minute reunion when you're overwhelmed by the fact that your lover is actually alive, didn't try to contact you isn't enough for you to rationalize things, and decide their might be some truth to what Shepard says. So they left, and when they had some time to sit down and let it all sink in, they realized that what they did was wrong and apologized and hoped for things to be better.

And they left you a way out.

Truth is, to me, that gives them more character and depth than any other character in that game. Garrus -as much as I love him, seriously I freaking adore him- was being stupid and irrational, doing the exact same things Shepard taught him not to (paragon Shep that is), and going to 'save' people on his own as a merc. Look where it got him, just because Shepard died. And Tali, well Tali refused to join, and was skeptical at first, but eventually had the chance to join and so she did. The VS also eventually will have that chance, but in ME3 and that's why they're joining...

Again, that's just my opinion.

    







Lets get one thing straight . Its not about them not joining Shepard on Horizon . Its the whole I am going to F**king chew your ass out for working with Cerberus and being a traitor . Bioware made it so Shepard just stands there like a dummy and take it . Then he has no real way to respond .  Now in ME 3 bioware wants to stick those 2 on My Ship and tell me oh they are now buddies with Shepard bull sh*t . Oh and this crap about I am a alliance soldier and I know where my alliginace is at . Are you kidding Me you mean to tell me that these 2 are going to get way with disrespecting the man that saved the Citadael . Bioware has a protection bubble around these 2 and its garbage. You VS Fans think these 2 can get away with any dam thing .  

They had a right to chew your ass out.  You know, the whole you were dead for 2 years then all of a sudden you're alive and working with the guys they were fighting every now and then 2 years ago?

[ROF_Inferno]

Where is theis nonsense comming from u google the information an theres random blogs about this, pointing to PSM3 magainzine you go to psm3mag.com and no such thing is stated. 9/10 that would be dumb on biowares part putting 2 ppl in the spectre spot that arent good enough. their both failures if they were both good enough neither would have died on Virmire. Besides that neither have skills the spectre needs. Ashley hates aliens to much so y would she fo;;ow the council. Kidan is to empatic and second guesses himself. If they can become spectres CONRAD VERNER then had every right to become 1

[didymos1120]

ROF_Inferno wrote...

Where is theis nonsense comming from u google the information an theres random blogs about this, pointing to PSM3 magainzine you go to psm3mag.com and no such thing is stated.

You do realize the website of the magazine =/= the actual magazine right?  And that's where it came from: the actual magazine.

[ROF_Inferno]

right if that was the case y didnt bioware put up A PS3mag thread up like they did for GI if its true

[Sajuro]

didymos1120 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

If they are the ones that bring Shepard in . then oh hell yeah those 2 will get a lesson in Extreme revenge from My Shepard 

Only in your fanfic.  And "Extreme revenge"?  Really?

X-treme!

[didymos1120]

ROF_Inferno wrote...

right if that was the case y didnt bioware put up A PS3mag thread up like they did for GI if its true

They don't put up a thread for every article in every magazine ever.  Besides: they have a whole thing going on with GI or did you not notice?  If you're inclined to, say, actually read this thread (even just this page), you may be able to find some scans of the article.

Modifié par didymos1120, 23 avril 2011 - 01:31 .

[Moiaussi]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Lets get one thing straight . Its not about them not joining Shepard on Horizon . Its the whole I am going to F**king chew your ass out for working with Cerberus and being a traitor . Bioware made it so Shepard just stands there like a dummy and take it . Then he has no real way to respond .  Now in ME 3 bioware wants to stick those 2 on My Ship and tell me oh they are now buddies with Shepard bull sh*t . Oh and this crap about I am a alliance soldier and I know where my alliginace is at . Are you kidding Me you mean to tell me that these 2 are going to get way with disrespecting the man that saved the Citadael . Bioware has a protection bubble around these 2 and its garbage. You VS Fans think these 2 can get away with any dam thing .  

You hate them because Shepard was handed the idiot ball? How about the fact that Shepard just says hi as if  he or she had merely been on vacation for the weekend rather than MIA for two years?

We know Shepard was dead during that time, but they don't know that. All they know is that he wasn't recovered, but now shows up working for an agency they spent a significant part of ME1 fighting and acting like there is nothing special or strange about that. Shep doesn't even approach on a professional level, just a friendly casual hello.

The whole scene was written badly, not just the VS, and given the way Shepard approached it, they had every reason to get angry. Doubly so if the VS was a love interest. You have been away from your lover for two years and show up working with an organization you know they hate, and all you have to say is hi, how are you?

Think it through. Unless of course you are just trolling, in which case, carry on.