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[naledgeborn]

didymos1120 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

If they are the ones that bring Shepard in . then oh hell yeah those 2 will get a lesson in Extreme revenge from My Shepard 

Only in your fanfic.  And "Extreme revenge"?  Really?

He's a man on the edge! He has nothing to lose!

[didymos1120]

naledgeborn wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

If they are the ones that bring Shepard in . then oh hell yeah those 2 will get a lesson in Extreme revenge from My Shepard 

Only in your fanfic.  And "Extreme revenge"?  Really?

He's a man on the edge! He has nothing to lose!

[Made Nightwing]

lol at Extreme One's rage.

[ExtremeOne]

Moiaussi wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Lets get one thing straight . Its not about them not joining Shepard on Horizon . Its the whole I am going to F**king chew your ass out for working with Cerberus and being a traitor . Bioware made it so Shepard just stands there like a dummy and take it . Then he has no real way to respond .  Now in ME 3 bioware wants to stick those 2 on My Ship and tell me oh they are now buddies with Shepard bull sh*t . Oh and this crap about I am a alliance soldier and I know where my alliginace is at . Are you kidding Me you mean to tell me that these 2 are going to get way with disrespecting the man that saved the Citadael . Bioware has a protection bubble around these 2 and its garbage. You VS Fans think these 2 can get away with any dam thing .  

You hate them because Shepard was handed the idiot ball? How about the fact that Shepard just says hi as if  he or she had merely been on vacation for the weekend rather than MIA for two years?

We know Shepard was dead during that time, but they don't know that. All they know is that he wasn't recovered, but now shows up working for an agency they spent a significant part of ME1 fighting and acting like there is nothing special or strange about that. Shep doesn't even approach on a professional level, just a friendly casual hello.

The whole scene was written badly, not just the VS, and given the way Shepard approached it, they had every reason to get angry. Doubly so if the VS was a love interest. You have been away from your lover for two years and show up working with an organization you know they hate, and all you have to say is hi, how are you?

Think it through. Unless of course you are just trolling, in which case, carry on.

 












Oh please spare me with the part about oh you been dead and away for 2 years crap . People would move on and get on with their lives in 2 years . No what went down on Horizon in ME 2 was . Ashley and Kaiden chewing shepard out and calling him a traitor . Because they can not accept the fact he was working for Cerberus and that Cerberus brought him back from the dead. They hate Cerberus so much thats all they care about and that the honest truth . Oh and the part about I am an alliance soldier and I know where My loyalities lie at . That pissed me off.  They made Shepard look like a dummy in that part . Now in 3 Bioware wants me to work with these 2 hateful pricks . Oh they would rather see Shepard be the alliance 's b*tch and does as he is told .  Then they can say oh look Shepard is on My team  now .  They will rot in 3 as far as I am concerned . 

[Lovestories]

Made Nightwing wrote...

lol at Extreme One's rage.

Lol, this thread is pure comedy, I read through the whole thing.

On Topic: I don't really feel to make a big fuss over them being spectres. If they're I'm sure they've done something "exceptional" in the 2years that would have impressed the council futher. My only issue is that them being a Spectre just doesn't seem that interesting of a storyline. But we'll see what happens come ME3.

Modifié par Lovestories, 23 avril 2011 - 02:20 .

[Shadowrun1177]

Wow all this anger at the VS. I think the Horizon scene was poorly written and could of been handled better, but I feel the same way about Liara on Illum pre-Shadow Broker. The message you can get after Horizon made things a little better cause it felt like their actions/reactions were explained and they said sorry. It just seems like Extreme is just all about hating them, for standing for what they believe in. They don't have all the facts and info that Shepard has been collecting since Freedoms Progress.

Modifié par Shadowrun1177, 23 avril 2011 - 02:30 .

[Zubie]

 

I know Horizon was bad but daaaaamn

[Moiaussi]

ExtremeOne wrote... 

Your girlfriend vanishes, you don't see her for two years, and she shows up one day with someone whom you really hate and just says 'hi' as if you were just meeting casually, and you are saying you would have just moved on and it wouldn't bother you at all? Guess you couldn't have cared much for her then.

More likely you are just trolling.

[didymos1120]

ExtremeOne wrote...
Oh please spare me with the part about oh you been dead and away for 2 years crap . People would move on and get on with their lives in 2 years . No what went down on Horizon in ME 2 was . Ashley and Kaiden chewing shepard out and calling him a traitor . Because they can not accept the fact he was working for Cerberus and that Cerberus brought him back from the dead. They hate Cerberus so much thats all they care about and that the honest truth . Oh and the part about I am an alliance soldier and I know where My loyalities lie at . That pissed me off.  They made Shepard look like a dummy in that part . Now in 3 Bioware wants me to work with these 2 hateful pricks . Oh they would rather see Shepard be the alliance 's b*tch and does as he is told .  Then they can say oh look Shepard is on My team  now .  They will rot in 3 as far as I am concerned . 

This is how I now imagine ExtremeOne:

[naledgeborn]

didymos1120 wrote...

This is how I now imagine ExtremeOne:

Thanks for that. Would've done it if I knew how. 

[Made Nightwing]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Moiaussi wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Lets get one thing straight . Its not about them not joining Shepard on Horizon . Its the whole I am going to F**king chew your ass out for working with Cerberus and being a traitor . Bioware made it so Shepard just stands there like a dummy and take it . Then he has no real way to respond .  Now in ME 3 bioware wants to stick those 2 on My Ship and tell me oh they are now buddies with Shepard bull sh*t . Oh and this crap about I am a alliance soldier and I know where my alliginace is at . Are you kidding Me you mean to tell me that these 2 are going to get way with disrespecting the man that saved the Citadael . Bioware has a protection bubble around these 2 and its garbage. You VS Fans think these 2 can get away with any dam thing .  

You hate them because Shepard was handed the idiot ball? How about the fact that Shepard just says hi as if  he or she had merely been on vacation for the weekend rather than MIA for two years?

We know Shepard was dead during that time, but they don't know that. All they know is that he wasn't recovered, but now shows up working for an agency they spent a significant part of ME1 fighting and acting like there is nothing special or strange about that. Shep doesn't even approach on a professional level, just a friendly casual hello.

The whole scene was written badly, not just the VS, and given the way Shepard approached it, they had every reason to get angry. Doubly so if the VS was a love interest. You have been away from your lover for two years and show up working with an organization you know they hate, and all you have to say is hi, how are you?

Think it through. Unless of course you are just trolling, in which case, carry on.

  

Oh please spare me with the part about oh you been dead and away for 2 years crap . People would move on and get on with their lives in 2 years . No what went down on Horizon in ME 2 was . Ashley and Kaiden chewing shepard out and calling him a traitor . Because they can not accept the fact he was working for Cerberus and that Cerberus brought him back from the dead. They hate Cerberus so much thats all they care about and that the honest truth . Oh and the part about I am an alliance soldier and I know where My loyalities lie at . That pissed me off.  They made Shepard look like a dummy in that part . Now in 3 Bioware wants me to work with these 2 hateful pricks . Oh they would rather see Shepard be the alliance 's b*tch and does as he is told .  Then they can say oh look Shepard is on My team  now .  They will rot in 3 as far as I am concerned . 

Let's look at it this way: A modern day war hero disappears and turns up two years later working for Al-Qaeda. This guy would be brought in and tried as a traitor. Cerberus has committed dozens of attrocities, they are most definitely the bad guys. If I was Shepard, I would only work for Cerberus for as long as I need to, to defeat the Collectors and the Reapers, then destroy the organisation.

Ashley and Kaidan deserve a pat on the back for the patriotism and loyalty to the uniform that overrides their loyalty to a man who might have gone rogue. Any Shepard who considers himself still worthy of unquestioning loyalty after working with terrorists is a stupid ****** with a huge ego and an overblown sense of entitlement. He has to earn their loyalty back as far as I'm concerned.

[Ultai]

didymos1120 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
Oh please spare me with the part about oh you been dead and away for 2 years crap . People would move on and get on with their lives in 2 years . No what went down on Horizon in ME 2 was . Ashley and Kaiden chewing shepard out and calling him a traitor . Because they can not accept the fact he was working for Cerberus and that Cerberus brought him back from the dead. They hate Cerberus so much thats all they care about and that the honest truth . Oh and the part about I am an alliance soldier and I know where My loyalities lie at . That pissed me off.  They made Shepard look like a dummy in that part . Now in 3 Bioware wants me to work with these 2 hateful pricks . Oh they would rather see Shepard be the alliance 's b*tch and does as he is told .  Then they can say oh look Shepard is on My team  now .  They will rot in 3 as far as I am concerned . 

This is how I now imagine ExtremeOne:

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I lol'd.  I'm having a hard time taking his posts seriously as time goes on

[gorrillasnake]

- CONFIRMED: Ashley/Kaiden on the team as SPECTRES-according to Psm3

i hate to say i told you so...but i told you so!!!!

Modifié par gorrillasnake, 23 avril 2011 - 03:12 .

[Moiaussi]

Made Nightwing wrote...


Let's look at it this way: A modern day war hero disappears and turns up two years later working for Al-Qaeda. This guy would be brought in and tried as a traitor. Cerberus has committed dozens of attrocities, they are most definitely the bad guys. If I was Shepard, I would only work for Cerberus for as long as I need to, to defeat the Collectors and the Reapers, then destroy the organisation.

Ashley and Kaidan deserve a pat on the back for the patriotism and loyalty to the uniform that overrides their loyalty to a man who might have gone rogue. Any Shepard who considers himself still worthy of unquestioning loyalty after working with terrorists is a stupid ****** with a huge ego and an overblown sense of entitlement. He has to earn their loyalty back as far as I'm concerned.

That said there is an issue in that when Shepard does report in at the Citadel, he is not only not arrested, he is allowed to leave again with the SR-2, and not so much as a debriefing. Even Anderson doesn't seem to want to ask him anything about Cerberus. The Council are even willing to reinstate him, and order him to go back into areas they previously insisted were too politically sensitive for any Spectre to go into.

Of course he even crosses the veil without anyone even mentioning it, as if it is no problem at all....

[didymos1120]

gorrillasnake wrote...

- CONFIRMED: Ashley/Kaiden on the team as SPECTRES-according to Psm3

i hate to say i told you so...but i told you so!!!!

Enough with the Jim Carrey nonsense already.  Just so you know, that article also thinks James Sanders is the sniper in the trailer, depsite Bioware saying he's not.  It's also got a number of other flat-out errors in it.  IOW, not confirmed.  The article is just too unreliable.

[gorrillasnake]

you just hate me cause im wack! (replace w with bl)

didymos1120 wrote...

gorrillasnake wrote...

- CONFIRMED: Ashley/Kaiden on the team as SPECTRES-according to Psm3

i hate to say i told you so...but i told you so!!!!

Enough with the Jim Carrey nonsense already.  Just so you know, that article also thinks James Sanders is the sniper in the trailer, depsite Bioware saying he's not.  It's also got a number of other flat-out errors in it.  IOW, not confirmed.  The article is just too unreliable.

[Iakus]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Lets get one thing straight . Its not about them not joining Shepard on Horizon . Its the whole I am going to F**king chew your ass out for working with Cerberus and being a traitor . Bioware made it so Shepard just stands there like a dummy and take it . Then he has no real way to respond .  Now in ME 3 bioware wants to stick those 2 on My Ship and tell me oh they are now buddies with Shepard bull sh*t . Oh and this crap about I am a alliance soldier and I know where my alliginace is at . Are you kidding Me you mean to tell me that these 2 are going to get way with disrespecting the man that saved the Citadael . Bioware has a protection bubble around these 2 and its garbage. You VS Fans think these 2 can get away with any dam thing .  

Believe me, I'm right there with you concerning the scene of Horizon.   But I don't blame the characters, I blame the writers for the pure idiocy that is that scene. 

It does not in itself detract from the fact that they could be potential Spectre candidates, or that they are squadmates for ME3. I mean, there are squadmates in ME2 I couoldn't imagine my Shepard bringing along on a suicide mission, after all.   

All it means is Bioware has their work cut out for them in rehabilitating these characters in people's eyes, and somehow making that scene make sense.  Seriously, that has got to be addressed in ME 3 somehow.  If that just gets swept under the rug or trivialized, I will rage.  And I'm a staunch fan of the VS.

[ExtremeOne]

iakus wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Lets get one thing straight . Its not about them not joining Shepard on Horizon . Its the whole I am going to F**king chew your ass out for working with Cerberus and being a traitor . Bioware made it so Shepard just stands there like a dummy and take it . Then he has no real way to respond .  Now in ME 3 bioware wants to stick those 2 on My Ship and tell me oh they are now buddies with Shepard bull sh*t . Oh and this crap about I am a alliance soldier and I know where my alliginace is at . Are you kidding Me you mean to tell me that these 2 are going to get way with disrespecting the man that saved the Citadael . Bioware has a protection bubble around these 2 and its garbage. You VS Fans think these 2 can get away with any dam thing .  

Believe me, I'm right there with you concerning the scene of Horizon.   But I don't blame the characters, I blame the writers for the pure idiocy that is that scene. 

It does not in itself detract from the fact that they could be potential Spectre candidates, or that they are squadmates for ME3. I mean, there are squadmates in ME2 I couoldn't imagine my Shepard bringing along on a suicide mission, after all.   

All it means is Bioware has their work cut out for them in rehabilitating these characters in people's eyes, and somehow making that scene make sense.  Seriously, that has got to be addressed in ME 3 somehow.  If that just gets swept under the rug or trivialized, I will rage.  And I'm a staunch fan of the VS.

   







I blame Bioware and the writters as well .  As far as them being Spectres if it is true and they are written better then I am fine with it . But if they are Spectres and written just as bad as they were in 2 . Then I have no use for them . Bioware has change a lot of things with them for Me to give them a chance. 

[The Spamming Troll]

well ME3 does need that one rogue spectre..........

[PrinceLionheart]

All this rage against the Virmire Survivor has me thinking how there characterization should work;

One, Virmire Survivor needs to be louder, angrier, and have access to a time machine. Two, whenever Virmire Survivor's not onscreen, all the other characters should be asking "Where's Ashley/Kaidan"? Three, if you did not romance VS, then they'll automatically have sex with your Shepard's Boyfriend/Girlfriend, because they're that awesome.

[PrinceLionheart]

Babe Mause wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...
They refused to work for Shepard because he was allied with a terrorist group. That does not mean that, when under his orders, they'd refuse a command again. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

It means VS trust Alliance more than s/he trusts Shepard. How can you be sure that they won't shoot you in the back when Alliance tells them so?

I guess that explains why when they reported back to Anderson, they actually backed up Shepard's story. Because y'know, they're secretly waiting for the opportunity to stab Shep in the back. 

[Almostfaceman]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Oh please spare me with the part about oh you been dead and away for 2 years crap . People would move on and get on with their lives in 2 years . No what went down on Horizon in ME 2 was . Ashley and Kaiden chewing shepard out and calling him a traitor . Because they can not accept the fact he was working for Cerberus and that Cerberus brought him back from the dead. They hate Cerberus so much thats all they care about and that the honest truth . Oh and the part about I am an alliance soldier and I know where My loyalities lie at . That pissed me off.  They made Shepard look like a dummy in that part . Now in 3 Bioware wants me to work with these 2 hateful pricks . Oh they would rather see Shepard be the alliance 's b*tch and does as he is told .  Then they can say oh look Shepard is on My team  now .  They will rot in 3 as far as I am concerned . 

[Pani Mauser]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Babe Mause wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...
They refused to work for Shepard because he was allied with a terrorist group. That does not mean that, when under his orders, they'd refuse a command again. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

It means VS trust Alliance more than s/he trusts Shepard. How can you be sure that they won't shoot you in the back when Alliance tells them so?

I guess that explains why when they reported back to Anderson, they actually backed up Shepard's story. Because y'know, they're secretly waiting for the opportunity to stab Shep in the back. 

I never said that they want to betray Shepard themselves. They just do what Alliance tells them to. And if their superiors order, for example, to sabotage Normandy's engines, how can I be sure that they won't obey this order? And if Alliance tells them that Shep gone completely rogue and s/he needs to be eliminated, like Saren,  can I be sure that they side with Speard and not the Alliance?

And also, when exactly they backed Shepard's story? Quote please. As from what I've seen, all they say is 'I'm going to report about what happened here and we'll see if they believe your story'. Maybe I missed something later, and if you point this moment to me, I will be grateful, but I never seen anything that says they backed Shepard's story.

To me this conversation shows that VS doesn't trust Shepard at all. 'Maybe they will believe your story' - for me it reads as 'I don't trust you, but maybe my superiors think otherwise, I will rely on their decision'.

Also, think about it  - Shepard came to the Citadel, reported to Council, talked to Anderson and Udina, got Spectre status back and even got green light to continue working with the Cerberus for the sake of investigation. VS's superiors never bothered to tell them this info, and VS never askes Shep any of this. They were blinded by the grudge so much that they didn't want to hear your explanation. They could ask to sit and talk about what happened, but instead they decided to report back and learn Alliance's oppinion. 

Modifié par Babe Mause, 23 avril 2011 - 09:30 .

[100k]

iakus wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Lets get one thing straight . Its not about them not joining Shepard on Horizon . Its the whole I am going to F**king chew your ass out for working with Cerberus and being a traitor . Bioware made it so Shepard just stands there like a dummy and take it . Then he has no real way to respond .  Now in ME 3 bioware wants to stick those 2 on My Ship and tell me oh they are now buddies with Shepard bull sh*t . Oh and this crap about I am a alliance soldier and I know where my alliginace is at . Are you kidding Me you mean to tell me that these 2 are going to get way with disrespecting the man that saved the Citadael . Bioware has a protection bubble around these 2 and its garbage. You VS Fans think these 2 can get away with any dam thing .  

Believe me, I'm right there with you concerning the scene of Horizon.   But I don't blame the characters, I blame the writers for the pure idiocy that is that scene. 

It does not in itself detract from the fact that they could be potential Spectre candidates, or that they are squadmates for ME3. I mean, there are squadmates in ME2 I couoldn't imagine my Shepard bringing along on a suicide mission, after all.   

All it means is Bioware has their work cut out for them in rehabilitating these characters in people's eyes, and somehow making that scene make sense.  Seriously, that has got to be addressed in ME 3 somehow.  If that just gets swept under the rug or trivialized, I will rage.  And I'm a staunch fan of the VS.

It's more than just the bad writing/railroading in that scene for me. Its the deliberate deception Bioware pulled on us:

a) So you're not coming = I can see that you won't listen to reason. Meh. Okay. Pretty clear cut.

That's not happening = The Council will just deny everything. It's a waste of time (or whatever Shep says). Oookay. Well, that's a pretty vague response, but whatever. 

c) I'm not working with Cerberus = Ash, you know me. You know I'd only do this for the right reasons. WHAT. THE. FVCK? Where did that response come from??? I wanted to tell Ash that Cerberus and I aren't friendly!

Modifié par 100k, 24 avril 2011 - 12:21 .