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easygame88 wrote...

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If I can not kill them then they will rot on the ship .  Those 2 bastards will pay for their actions one way or another.  Oh and if they are the 2 clowns that go and arrest Shepard in 3 . You can bet they will pay a even bigger price for their mistakes . ME 2 they chewed My ass out for no reason now in ME 3 It will be time for pay back.  


We know, we heard you the first 100 times you've said that.


But d00d, THEY'RE SERIOUSLY GOING TO PAY!

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ExtremeOne wrote...

If I can not kill them then they will rot on the ship .  Those 2 bastards will pay for their actions one way or another.  Oh and if they are the 2 clowns that go and arrest Shepard in 3 . You can bet they will pay a even bigger price for their mistakes . ME 2 they chewed My ass out for no reason now in ME 3 It will be time for pay back.  



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Seriously we get it, you keep posting the same drivel about your alliance/vs hate over and over and over and over and over again.

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PrinceLionheart wrote...

easygame88 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

If I can not kill them then they will rot on the ship .  Those 2 bastards will pay for their actions one way or another.  Oh and if they are the 2 clowns that go and arrest Shepard in 3 . You can bet they will pay a even bigger price for their mistakes . ME 2 they chewed My ass out for no reason now in ME 3 It will be time for pay back.  


We know, we heard you the first 100 times you've said that.


But d00d, THEY'RE SERIOUSLY GOING TO PAY!


TO THE EXTREME!

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didymos1120 wrote...

PrinceLionheart wrote...

easygame88 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

If I can not kill them then they will rot on the ship .  Those 2 bastards will pay for their actions one way or another.  Oh and if they are the 2 clowns that go and arrest Shepard in 3 . You can bet they will pay a even bigger price for their mistakes . ME 2 they chewed My ass out for no reason now in ME 3 It will be time for pay back.  


We know, we heard you the first 100 times you've said that.


But d00d, THEY'RE SERIOUSLY GOING TO PAY!


TO THE EXTREME!


YOU KILLED MY FATHER!
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You know what would be amusing? To have VS become a Spectre and then watch them utterly fail their highly important, classified Spectre-ly mission. So that Shepard has to go and salvage their mission, save VS, and clean up after them.

Reminds me of how I met Tali in MS2 and she gave me that shocking reaction of being disappointed to see me alive, which is essentially "better you stay dead and hero than be alive and with Cerberus" (the kind of reaction I started to get used to later in the game). It gave me the impression that she didn't want to serve under my command because she's got a name now, and she's so important now, and she's the officer in charge. She was throwing a lot of orders at me, too.

Then, later in the game, I have to save her and the only survivor from her team from that failed mission. I felt some petty vindication at that. Looks like she's not the commanding material, after all. She was assigned a simple mission, and when it went slightly astray, as missions on the battlefield tend to, she lost all her people who died to protect her and locked herself up to keep herself safe, even though one of her men was still alive.

Shepard salvaged what was still left, although not much was left by that point, due to Tali's incompetence. And I have to say it, it felt good.

I'd really like to see something like that for VS, as well. It's not like being a Spectre matters much at that point, with all that galactic threat. But it's one thing to get a title, and another to be worthy of it. Shepard is. VS? I'm not so sure.

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laecraft wrote...

You know what would be amusing? To have VS become a Spectre and then watch them utterly fail their highly important, classified Spectre-ly mission. So that Shepard has to go and salvage their mission, save VS, and clean up after them.

Reminds me of how I met Tali in MS2 and she gave me that shocking reaction of being disappointed to see me alive, which is essentially "better you stay dead and hero than be alive and with Cerberus" (the kind of reaction I started to get used to later in the game). It gave me the impression that she didn't want to serve under my command because she's got a name now, and she's so important now, and she's the officer in charge. She was throwing a lot of orders at me, too.

Then, later in the game, I have to save her and the only survivor from her team from that failed mission. I felt some petty vindication at that. Looks like she's not the commanding material, after all. She was assigned a simple mission, and when it went slightly astray, as missions on the battlefield tend to, she lost all her people who died to protect her and locked herself up to keep herself safe, even though one of her men was still alive.

Shepard salvaged what was still left, although not much was left by that point, due to Tali's incompetence. And I have to say it, it felt good.

I'd really like to see something like that for VS, as well. It's not like being a Spectre matters much at that point, with all that galactic threat. But it's one thing to get a title, and another to be worthy of it. Shepard is. VS? I'm not so sure.

the VS is more than capable of handling a solo mission or "spectre-y" missions as you put it. I doubt we' dhave to clean up behind them because they've most likely been a spectre for two years, longer than Shepard in fact. I think they might even be slightly more skilled than Shepard come to think of it. Sure Shepard's awesome because they're the protagonist, but shep's still rusty since she's been dead for two years and has a new body.Image IPB

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Hmm...I wonder if Ashley/Kaiden was made Spectre so she/he can escort you back to Earth for your arrest and trial...

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I'm calling BS on this one because seriously, it's such a lame idea.

I like Kaidan, but he does not have the moxie to be a Spectre. Ashley is just plain incompetant.

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it doesn't bother me so much that they are. I think Garrus would be an amazing spectre on the other hand.

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it doesn't bother me so much that they are. I think Garrus would be an amazing spectre on the other hand.


Doubtful. He's already rejected C-Sec, why would he even consider working for the council?

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There are some very interesting ideas in this thread. I can totally see VS being assigned by the Council to arrest Shepard, or to keep an eye on him and kill him if he goes rogue, or something even more drastic. Perhaps Shepard will even have to fight VS to get out of Earth. Or maybe he will trust VS and VS will betray him in the crucial moment, because Alliance orders them to.

It would be absolutely in character for VS to turn against Shepard. They already demonstrated where their loyalties lie. More than that, I don't think they harbour any friendly feelings for Shepard anymore.

I totally agree with Babe Mause regarding the meeting on Horizon. VS doesn't trust Shepard, doesn't believe his story, doesn't care for his explanations, doesn't even give him an opportunity to defend himself. The only thing that matters to VS is their own wounded feelings. In case if Kaidan, there's a lot of anger even before you mention Cerberus.

All it takes is Cerberus name, and you can see that in a split instant, VS regards you as an enemy. They don't attack you outright and end this on barely speakable terms...but I have to wonder if this is because VS simply wants to get out alive to report their findings to the Alliance. They don't want confrontation with Shepard. They knew they can't win in it.

Many people mention the following email with apology, and consider that enough to give VS full forgiveness. I would like to point out some crucial differences between real world communication and email. In email, you can't see the facial expression of the one who's writing it. You can hear the tone of voice. You can't know how many times they edited one particular sentence, or what they've written before they deleted it. Finally, you can't know if the one who signed that email is actually the one who wrote it.

What I'd like to see is Shadow Broker's record of VS writing that email, similar to the one they have for Tali's.

I can totally see the Alliance ordering VS to contact Shepard in an effort to restore their relationship. Perhaps some Alliance psychologist even composed that email. I can see the Alliance not wanted to lose the only link to Shepard. They need someone they can use to get close to Commander. Close enough to strike.

I can see the Alliance convincing VS, "But Shepard is dangerous! Who knows how Cerberus affected him? Look what he's done now, blew up a whole system of aliens! Is this not the sign of corruption? You can't allow the past to repeat itself. You're the only one from the Alliance he trusts well enough - or did. Restore that trust. Grovel if you must, or say that it's war and it's no time for petty grudges. Get close to him, then strike. Too much is at stake. You must put personal feeling aside. It is your DUTY."

And people don't like to be wrong, so I imagine VS hates even more Shepard now for protecting human colonies and fighting the Reapers while VS refused to help and insulted him with clearly expressed distrust.

And my oh my, if VS was your LI and you "cheated" on them (laugh), then you practically handle them the nuclear fuel for their righteous fire. Full justification.

I think that VS going through with their betrayal would be very interesting to see. Not every game needs a thief backstabbing you. Sometimes it has to be an honorable soldier.

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laecraft wrote...

Reminds me of how I met Tali in MS2 and she gave me that shocking reaction of being disappointed to see me alive, which is essentially "better you stay dead and hero than be alive and with Cerberus" (the kind of reaction I started to get used to later in the game). It gave me the impression that she didn't want to serve under my command because she's got a name now, and she's so important now, and she's the officer in charge. She was throwing a lot of orders at me, too.

I'm guessing that you didn't give her that Geth data for her Pilgrimage gift in the first game? Cause I didn't get that reaction from her AT ALL in any of my ME2 playthroughs.
(or maybe you went with the Renegade dialogue options and made a complete ass out of yourself to her and the other Quarians)

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it doesn't bother me so much that they are. I think Garrus would be an amazing spectre on the other hand.


Doubtful. He's already rejected C-Sec, why would he even consider working for the council?



Garrus was already targeted to be a Spectre before even meeting Shepard in Me1.  Garrus' own father blocked him from pursuing it.  So the intention was already there for a long while. 

"Garrus was targeted as a potential Spectre candidate, but Garrus claims he was only one of about a thousand potentials picked from the turian military. He could have received special training to prepare, but his father blocked his candidacy, despising Spectres for their legal freedoms. Garrus doesn't appear to have any regrets over losing his chance, but he is very interested to see how Spectres do their job and wants to learn from Shepard"  -Mass effect wiki  http://masseffect.wi...Garrus_Vakarian 

also:

"Depending on what Shepard has said to him and the commander's behavior throughout the mission, Garrus states that he is going to reapply for Spectre candidacy, with or without reapplying for C-Sec in the process. "

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^^^Either way, we're going to need more spectres...Image IPB

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i was thinking about that...maybe..
becuase shepaloo is a rogue spectre  that killed 300k baterians

karatemanchan37 wrote...

Hmm...I wonder if Ashley/Kaiden was made Spectre so she/he can escort you back to Earth for your arrest and trial...


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karatemanchan37 wrote...

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it doesn't bother me so much that they are. I think Garrus would be an amazing spectre on the other hand.


Doubtful. He's already rejected C-Sec, why would he even consider working for the council?


More than that, the VS was the one that obeyed orders and toed the line. As of the end of ME2 (and presumably the start of ME3), they are still in that position, whereas Garrus disappeared and resurfaced working with Shepard again, whom they are about to put on trial. I charging Shepard while promoting those with him a the time of the alleged offence would be strange at best.

Unless Garrus was working undercover for the Council all this time, but I think that would go over a lot worse than the VS meeting on Horizon....

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Moiaussi wrote...

karatemanchan37 wrote...

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it doesn't bother me so much that they are. I think Garrus would be an amazing spectre on the other hand.


Doubtful. He's already rejected C-Sec, why would he even consider working for the council?


More than that, the VS was the one that obeyed orders and toed the line. As of the end of ME2 (and presumably the start of ME3), they are still in that position, whereas Garrus disappeared and resurfaced working with Shepard again, whom they are about to put on trial. I charging Shepard while promoting those with him a the time of the alleged offence would be strange at best.

Unless Garrus was working undercover for the Council all this time, but I think that would go over a lot worse than the VS meeting on Horizon....


that would make sense seems that the time between Me2 and Me3 is pretty negligible for garrus to pursue any thing. Also the VS has to been a Spectre or on the list to be one when Shepard met the VS on Horizon.

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Reminds me of how I met Tali in MS2 and she gave me that shocking reaction of being disappointed to see me alive, which is essentially "better you stay dead and hero than be alive and with Cerberus" (the kind of reaction I started to get used to later in the game). It gave me the impression that she didn't want to serve under my command because she's got a name now, and she's so important now, and she's the officer in charge. She was throwing a lot of orders at me, too.

I'm guessing that you didn't give her that Geth data for her Pilgrimage gift in the first game? Cause I didn't get that reaction from her AT ALL in any of my ME2 playthroughs.
(or maybe you went with the Renegade dialogue options and made a complete ass out of yourself to her and the other Quarians)


I don't know what my defaut Shepard did in MS1 regarding Tali.

I don't remember well, but I think it was in response to my request for her to join me. She says something like, sorry, Shepard, I'm still trying to take in the fact that you're alive and with Cerberus. She says that in the tone that suggests that me being alive and with Cerberus is some kind of rare, highly contageous disease, and she wouldn't touch me with a pole. I remember thinking, very well, Tali, take you time. But by the time you manage to grasp the concept of me being alive, I might be dead all over again.

It wasn't like "die, zombie, die," but I didn't hear any happiness about me being alive either. Not after my new allegiance was revealed.

Now I think of it, Garrus was the only one who didn't lecture me about being alive and with Cerberus. And that gives me a very unpleasant suspicion that all that disappointment my teammates show in me has nothing to do with Cerberus or with the two years of my absense whatsover, but rather has something to do with the fact that they're not supposed to be joining me in MS2, and they need a valid excuse to refuse me...in the face of galactic threat. Maybe that's why their reasoning sounded so cold and weak, and they all seemed like lesser persons for it.

Not a single one of them saying, "Commander, I knew that not even death could stop you, I didn't believe in those death rumours and I never stopped hoping, I don't care who Cerberus is, all that it matters they brought you back, and I'd gladly work with you again, so let's kick the Collectors' ass." And that's after Shepard is the last to leave the ship, ensuring their survival.

Garrus does say something to that effect, though...later and in passing.

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I'm good with this. It's not as if the VS was sitting around doing nothing while Shepard's dead ass was busy being prodded and probed on a Cerberus station by Miranda and Jacob.


Ash/Kaiden was busy taking it up the ass by her Alliance superiors. Basically went back to where they were before ME1. Garrus, on the other hand, went off, did his own thing, gathered resources, men, and fought crime. Why the hell isn't he a Spectre????



I hear if you use at six question marks, it makes the question more insightful.

We have no idea if the VS was, ahem, "taking it up the ass" while Shepard was dead and during ME2.  We only met the VS once on Horizon.  He/She was apparently there working for Anderson.  Anderson specifically doesn't go into detail with you about what the VS has been doing in general.

So, in short, you don't know that the VS wasn't doing stuff even more awesome than Garrus.

Like single-handedly tearing a new one in every merc oganization on Omega. Your right, Ash and Kaiden are so much cooler than Garru-BAHAHAHA!!! I couldn't say it without laughing!
On a more serious note, I think that the council didn't want to take a chance on Garrus because they thought he was too reckless, or too much like Shepard... If you couldn't tell they don't like him too much.

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but yeah...VS are much better cuz they lack conviction. spineless suck ups unwilling to take a chance. easy for the council/alliance to handle. good work you two.

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but yeah...VS are much better cuz they lack conviction. spineless suck ups unwilling to take a chance. easy for the council/alliance to handle. good work you two.

exactly

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DJCS wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

100k wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

I'm good with this. It's not as if the VS was sitting around doing nothing while Shepard's dead ass was busy being prodded and probed on a Cerberus station by Miranda and Jacob.


Ash/Kaiden was busy taking it up the ass by her Alliance superiors. Basically went back to where they were before ME1. Garrus, on the other hand, went off, did his own thing, gathered resources, men, and fought crime. Why the hell isn't he a Spectre????



I hear if you use at six question marks, it makes the question more insightful.

We have no idea if the VS was, ahem, "taking it up the ass" while Shepard was dead and during ME2.  We only met the VS once on Horizon.  He/She was apparently there working for Anderson.  Anderson specifically doesn't go into detail with you about what the VS has been doing in general.

So, in short, you don't know that the VS wasn't doing stuff even more awesome than Garrus.

Like single-handedly tearing a new one in every merc oganization on Omega. Your right, Ash and Kaiden are so much cooler than Garru-BAHAHAHA!!! I couldn't say it without laughing!
On a more serious note, I think that the council didn't want to take a chance on Garrus because they thought he was too reckless, or too much like Shepard... If you couldn't tell they don't like him too much.


LuLZ I agree!

*sees a video of Ash sticking a knife in a batarians skull, pulling on the blade so that the aliens head splits open like a pineapple, and kicking the corpse over, so that it's brains spill out like spaghetti noodles*

or 

*sees a video of Kaiden banging the Asari Councilor. And her daughter. At the same time*

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laecraft wrote...

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I'm guessing that you didn't give her that Geth data for her Pilgrimage gift in the first game? Cause I didn't get that reaction from her AT ALL in any of my ME2 playthroughs.
(or maybe you went with the Renegade dialogue options and made a complete ass out of yourself to her and the other Quarians)


I don't know what my defaut Shepard did in MS1 regarding Tali.

I don't remember well, but I think it was in response to my request for her to join me. She says something like, sorry, Shepard, I'm still trying to take in the fact that you're alive and with Cerberus. She says that in the tone that suggests that me being alive and with Cerberus is some kind of rare, highly contageous disease, and she wouldn't touch me with a pole. I remember thinking, very well, Tali, take you time. But by the time you manage to grasp the concept of me being alive, I might be dead all over again.

It wasn't like "die, zombie, die," but I didn't hear any happiness about me being alive either. Not after my new allegiance was revealed.

Really? Cause I just started a new playthrough using my canon ME1 import yesterday and I didn't get that reaction from Tali at all on Freedom's Progress:

When she asked if I was really alive, I asked her if the Geth data I gave her helped her complete her Pilgrimage, to which she replied that it did and then became fully convinced that I was indeed Commander Shepard (no negative/disbelieving attitude at all). I took the "we should work together" dialogue option and Tali agreed, with her last words before her squad left was that "no matter what happens, it's good to have you back". After finding Veetor and Tali came back in asking that he needed to be returned to the Flotilla, I asked if she could stay instead and work together again - she said that she wanted too, but couldn't due to her next mission which was too important to give up even for Shepard, but if the mission succeeded (and she survived it), then she'll see if she can rejoin Shepard. Agreeing to give Veetor back to Tali and the Flotilla also had her wishing me good luck and promising to send anything pertinent about my mission that she might come across back to me.

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I am not going to read through 27 pages to see whether it has already been said, but I could imagine alliance brass (save Anderson and Hackett) would regard the survivor's.. hmm... servile loyalty as a desireable trait.

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^^^Either way, we're going to need more spectres...Image IPB

Cerberus Shock Troopers gonna shock...


its ok, i have one of these.

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