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[Rheia]

I can kind of see the scenario where VS is a spectre for all human council. However, with no other info (or at least dev confirmation of the magazine rumor), spectre VS for the old council/new human led council is a little hard to believe.

That said, VS spectre status or no, I'm more inclined to be frosty/mistrustful/at odds with either Ashley or Kaidan after Horizon. And the more I think about it, Spectre status would give the two another point of contention, considering Shepard could have rejected Spectre reinstaitment.

Modifié par Rheia, 25 avril 2011 - 07:34 .

[didymos1120]

HTTP 404 wrote...

"Depending on what Shepard has said to him and the commander's behavior throughout the mission, Garrus states that he is going to reapply for Spectre candidacy, with or without reapplying for C-Sec in the process. "

Right.  And the result of that?   This:

"I trained to become a Spectre after the Normandy was destroyed, but it didn't work out. Too much politicking at the Citadel. Nobody was willing to take risks."

[tanuki]

I'm a bit late for the discussion probably, but regarding Garrus: him being a good material for the spectre (better that VS at least)? While he was doing OK for some time on his own, he f**d up eventually and if Shepard didn't appear in time to save his sorry ass on Omega, he'd be dead. And don't tell me that it was Sidonius fault. Garrus was the leader. If he can't control his own team and can't see the betrayal is coming, well, too bad for him. Then he asks Shepard to do his dirty work for him - d-r Saleas(sp?) in ME1, Sidonius in ME2. Garrus is no way a good Spectre material; while he has potential (i don't deny it), he lacks something for that. He tends to cling to Shepard when Shepard is around, and then she's not, he plays Shepard wannaby. You may call it blashemy, but Garrus as a person always striked me as just more badass version of Conrad Verner.
*hides*

[PnXMarcin1PL]

that turian was Sidonis

[didymos1120]

Ashley_82 wrote...

Then he asks Shepard to do his dirty work for him - d-r Saleas(sp?) in ME1, Sidonius in ME2.

Wrong on both counts.  In ME1 he finds Saleon all on his own, and makes a request of Shepard to go there.  In ME2 he again chases leads on his own, and again requests that Shep let him resolve things.  Now, in ME1 he can be left behind while you go take care of Saleon, but he's not very happy about that.  In ME2, Shep is there as back up, and Garrus is perfectly willing to personally kill Sidonis.  An actual example of someone asking Shep to do their dirty work for them is Nassana Dantius or Helena Blake in ME1.  The entire point of that idiom is that you don't participate at all and let someone else assume all the risks.  Garrus doesn't remotely do that.

[tanuki]

didymos1120 wrote...

Ashley_82 wrote...

Then he asks Shepard to do his dirty work for him - d-r Saleas(sp?) in ME1, Sidonius in ME2.

Wrong on both counts. In ME1 he finds Saleon all on his own, and makes a request of Shepard to go there. In ME2 he again

chases leads on his own, and again requests that Shep let him resolve things. Now, in ME1 he can be left behind while you go

take care of Saleon, but he's not very happy about that. In ME2, Shep is there as back up, and Garrus is perfectly willing to

personally kill Sidonis. An actual example of someone asking Shep to do their dirty work for them is Nassana Dantius or

Helena Blake in ME1. The entire point of that idiom is that you don't participate at all and let someone else assume all the

risks. Garrus doesn't remotely do that.

I know, I'm exaggerating on this one *sigh*. But still. Garrus asks Shepard to help him with his personal problems and I don't remember him go and deal with them on his own. Well, tbh, everyone in ME2 team ask Shepard to deal with their issues. But people don't offer any of them to be made Spectre. And then there is also what you said - he goes for Spectre training, quits it because he fed up of Council bureaucracy and denial of Reaper threat and go to do what...? fight mercs on Omega? Yeah right, that way he'll definitely help to stop the Reapers. If he at least finished his training and was promoted to Spectre he'd get Spectre carte blanche to do what he thinks is really necessary. But instead he shows that childish behavior of his and flushes his chances away.>.< Garrus can't concentrate on anything if there's nobody to push him in the right direction, like Shepard does.

Oh well, that is not the theme about Garrus becoming Spectre anyways.^^ As for VS being one, it doesn't bother me either way. Though I think they probably did enough to earn it - who knows what they were up to during these few years. Or it could be the political move of course.

[HTTP 404]

didymos1120 wrote...

HTTP 404 wrote...

"Depending on what Shepard has said to him and the commander's behavior throughout the mission, Garrus states that he is going to reapply for Spectre candidacy, with or without reapplying for C-Sec in the process. "

Right.  And the result of that?   This:

"I trained to become a Spectre after the Normandy was destroyed, but it didn't work out. Too much politicking at the Citadel. Nobody was willing to take risks."

le sigh.  haha.  My point originally is  that there at least was a motive and that Garrus was qualified as that being more of a realistic scenerio than the VS.

I later posted that it probably could never have happenedafter Me2 due to time constraints alone and acknowledged another for saying that being associated with shepard wouldnt help.

[Foehunter82]

Personally, I think the VS as a Spectre thing may not be an absolute. I think that depending on your choices, you may cause the VS to become a Spectre, but it may not actually have to happen.

[eye basher]

i don't care either way is not like ashtrash and craplenko so any action on my ME1 game except fot the begginning and only cause you don't get a choice.

[Moiaussi]

corporal doody wrote...

but yeah...VS are much better cuz they lack conviction. spineless suck ups unwilling to take a chance. easy for the council/alliance to handle. good work you two.

This may seem like a strange concept to you, but when you give someone absolute authority subject only to the direct will of the Council, loyalty to the Council is actually a reasonable job requirement.

It isn't like the Council is particularly hands on, so they need Spectres they can trust. This is especially true after Saren went rogue, and Shepard appears to have gone rogue (badly written or not, that is what it would appear to have happened).

[Moiaussi]

HTTP 404 wrote...

le sigh.  haha.  My point originally is  that there at least was a motive and that Garrus was qualified as that being more of a realistic scenerio than the VS.

I later posted that it probably could never have happenedafter Me2 due to time constraints alone and acknowledged another for saying that being associated with shepard wouldnt help.

But appearantly he was considered acceptable but dropped out of the program for his own reasons. In other words, he could have been a Spectre but chose not to. He wasn't given the fre licence he wanted until after jumping through the official hoops and appearantly he couldn't live with that.

While Shepard didn't have to go through any formal training, the circumstances were different and Shepard died. Given Shepard's death, they might have felt formal training would be important for all future Spectres. That is hardly unlikely. Again, remember there are politics involved. There is nothing unrealistic about the way it all played out.

[Big I]

Kaidan Alenko in Spectre armor. Looks like we have further confirmation that the VS is a Spectre.


The evidence (a Spectre symbol) is on his right shoulder.

[Manic Sheep]

LookingGlass93 wrote...


Kaidan Alenko in Spectre armor. Looks like we have further confirmation that the VS is a Spectre.


The evidence (a Spectre symbol) is on his right shoulder.

*Tilts head to the side* Thats Kaidan?

[MACharlie1]

Looks like concept art. Though I actually like this armor since it looks a smaller then the promotional image we've seen. But that is definitely not a render/in-game shot.

[ExtremeOne]

Oh I now want those 2 to be spectres because I want them to witness what a true renegade bad ass is all about in 3 .

[didymos1120]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Oh I now want those 2 to be spectres because I want them to witness what a true renegade bad ass is all about in 3 .

Oh, lord.  This is classic Internet Tough Guy behavior, except directed at videogame characters instead of actual people.

[milikmt27]

Manic Sheep wrote...

LookingGlass93 wrote...


Kaidan Alenko in Spectre armor. Looks like we have further confirmation that the VS is a Spectre.


The evidence (a Spectre symbol) is on his right shoulder.

*Tilts head to the side* Thats Kaidan?

is it just me..or..does he look better...then he did in me2 ?
anyhow....i cant stop staring at him

[ExtremeOne]

didymos1120 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Oh I now want those 2 to be spectres because I want them to witness what a true renegade bad ass is all about in 3 .

Oh, lord.  This is classic Internet Tough Guy behavior, except directed at videogame characters instead of actual people.

  






Thats just the nice way of putting how I feel . 

[Someone With Mass]

Yeah, it looks concept arty. I think the Kaidan holding a Scimitar is closer to the real thing.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 29 avril 2011 - 10:58 .

[FenrisDeSolar]

Hrm, I like that pic, but I don't want them to change Kaidan's or Ashley's looks. :/ At least, not much.

[Noir_Skye]

milikmt27 wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...

LookingGlass93 wrote...


Kaidan Alenko in Spectre armor. Looks like we have further confirmation that the VS is a Spectre.


The evidence (a Spectre symbol) is on his right shoulder.

*Tilts head to the side* Thats Kaidan?

is it just me..or..does he look better...then he did in me2 ?
anyhow....i cant stop staring at him

I don't remember him being that good looking in ME1 or ME2.  I didn't realize it was Kaidan at first glance.  It was only after I finished the article and it was confirmed that he would be back that I realized Kaidan was in the picture with Shepard and Liara.  Being a Bad Ass does the body (and face) good.

[corporal doody]

yeah looking at that pic with the spectre logo. if that is indeed the concept art for Kaidan than it is looking like VS is gonna be a spectre. I dislike the idea and am in hopes that it was just BW throwing around some ideas. if they are indeed spectres in ME3....well....it's gonna have my panties in a bunch!!

[Island Head]

LordEurope wrote...

I'm sorry but this is something I can't agree with. Neither Kaiden or Ashley are good enough to be Spectres. Spectres are supposed to be the best of the best. They are miles behind Shepard, Saren or that asari Spectre.

What have they done to deserve this? If any of them tries to overrule my command n ME3 I will put a bullet in them.

I bet it depends on if the council is human or alien. If it is alien then Garrus  would be the spectre. Remember any play testers wouldn't be using an imported Shep, their shep will be the standard one that let the alien council members die.

[1Minsc1]

Island Head wrote...

LordEurope wrote...

I'm sorry but this is something I can't agree with. Neither Kaiden or Ashley are good enough to be Spectres. Spectres are supposed to be the best of the best. They are miles behind Shepard, Saren or that asari Spectre.

What have they done to deserve this? If any of them tries to overrule my command n ME3 I will put a bullet in them.

I bet it depends on if the council is human or alien. If it is alien then Garrus  would be the spectre. Remember any play testers wouldn't be using an imported Shep, their shep will be the standard one that let the alien council members die.

@LordEurope how do you know the VS does not deserve it? The VS stayed with Shep defeating Saren, and had two years to train, go on special ops an whatever. I think/ hope BW will explain. Kindergarden.