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Ash and or Kaidan fought just as hard as Sheperd to save the galaxy.I say the title is well deserved. Good for them if true.

 


what ever they can have a stupid title that means nothing . but they are pieces of garbage and one way or another those 2 will pay for their actions on Horizon .  There will never be a Retcon that will make me like or have any love for those 2 pricks .  

Because they didn't jump on the terrorist train with you they have to pay. I admit I was taken by surprise with the Virmire survivors words on Horizon but I understand the reason they didn't jump to join up with you.
They remember the events of Mass Effect 1,and all the horrible things Cerebus did even if Sheperd has severe memory loss. You act like they kicked your puppy or something.

  






Its not about them not joing Cerberus thats not the issue I have with them . My Issue with them is they were able to talk all this garbage and call Shepard a traitor and him not having a logical way to respond back . Its as if Shepard was suppose to just stand there and listen to this ass chewing out and he has no right to be mad or say anything . that is wrong and  Bioware made a mistake in that part of 2 .  



We get it. You hate them.

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Kinda sucks. I don't really think Ash would make a good Spectre. Garrus is the one who deserves that title.


I agree with this, Garrus has done more to aid the galexy than VS and probably is higher trained than ash or kaidan.


Probably not, as Ash and Kaidan are marines. Garrus was a C-Sec officer. In ME2, he's experienced, but you belittle the skills of the other two. Plus, he's too unreliable - if he thought the council were doing something wrong, he'd disobey them. Garrus is awesome, but not Spectre material. He's more epic as batman anyway.

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id rather have less amounts of people be spectres. i played dragon age 2 and it seemed like i was just makin everyone i ran into a warden. just throwin the warden tag around all willy nilly made me feel like anyone could be one. its just not as cool when everyones doing it.

id rather have shepard be one of the few and one of the last spectres.

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ExtremeOne wrote...
Its as if Shepard was suppose to just stand there and listen to this ass chewing out and he has no right to be mad or say anything .


Strange.  I seem to remember a dialogue wheel appearing in that conversation, and telling them they were being too emotional and not thinking things through properly.  Must have imagined that.

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The Spamming Troll wrote...
 i played dragon age 2 and it seemed like i was just makin everyone i ran into a warden.


Um, what?  I'm pretty sure you can only get one person into the Wardens.

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[quote]didymos1120 wrote...

[quote]ExtremeOne wrote...
Its as if Shepard was suppose to just stand there and listen to this ass chewing out and he has no right to be mad or say anything .
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Strange.  I seem to remember a dialogue wheel appearing in that conversation, and telling them they were being too emotional and not thinking things through properly.  Must have imagined that.

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I might use that option  

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Ash and or Kaidan fought just as hard as Sheperd to save the galaxy.I say the title is well deserved. Good for them if true.


It is not about how hard someone fights or whether or not they deserve it. 

Let us look at Spectres. The Codex entery states that a Spectre can nutrilize problems with diplomacy or force; the choice is up to them. So, obviouly character doesn't really play too much a role. Saren was a ruthless son of a ****. Nihlus was much kinder, but had moments of being a little cold. Shepard became a Spectre whether we was Paragon Shep or Renagade Shep. Also there have been many veterans worthy of praise over the years. C-sec officers, war generals, heroes of various battles, etc. That doesn't matter. They have to have the skills for it. 

Lets look at the Spectres we know. Nihlus, Saren, Sheperd, and Vasir. Saren put up a hell of a fight. He was a badass. no matter how evil. Nihlus fought Samara for days on end; he fought against a Justicar and survived. Vasir was an amazing biotic who was hard to get a good bead on. 

As for Shepard, I always stick to the soldier (don't hound me for my choice, just stick with me) and as a soldier, Shepard can find a target, and kill them in under 2 seconds (for regular infantry), this is less than the time it takes for most enemies to even pick a target. If he doesn't kill the target in less than 2 seconds, he can empty a full clip (the Mattock) and take out a massive enemy's shields/armor/barrier. Soldier Shepard can take a beating and dish out at a pace that only Spectres can keep up with, and even then, they can barely keep up. 

When it comes to candidates for Spectres, there are very few that I'm aware of. The only human candidates would be Miranda and Jack. Whether you like Miranda's character or not, she is an amazing warrior. She can take down synthetics. She's a strong (not amazing but clearly above average) biotic. She was engineered to be superior. Ash/Kaiden were above average at best. Miranda can take either, easily. Jack is a superior biotic. There is no human with better biotics. She can rival a six or seven hundred year old Asari. She is a beast. Personally, I wouldn't give her that status simply because she is too much of a loose cannon and unstable. She is not reliable. 

As for Garrus, he might be worthy of Spectre status. He's not as qualified as Shepard or Miranda, and I do not say this lightly. He is my favorite squadmate, and favorite squadmate, but he is only second in ability to Miranda. 

If Thane wasn't dying, he could be a good candidate. He knows his way around a gun and he's a pretty good biotic. He get's jobs done and is one of the most efficient killers out there. He is a one man Black Op team. 

Samara could be one, if she wanted, but she's a Justicar. She wont bother. Liara is a great biotic, but that's it. She doesn't really have the air of a Spectre. 

Wrex could be one. He's a Krogan biotic. Those are rare, and he is deadly. He could manage. Sadly, he wouldn't take the job. He's all about the Krogan, and could give a damn about the Citadel and its affairs. 

But, there is yet another factor for Spectres; and that's a sense of duty and reliability.Shepard has them. Nihlus had them. Even Saren, in his own twisted way had them. So did Vesir. That's why I stand behind Miranda as a good candidate. When it comes to a sense of duty and reliability, Ash/Kaiden have them, but they lack in ability. Garrus has the sense of duty. 

All in all, Spectires need have amazing combat abilities, a sense of duty and they have to be reliability. 

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hell no there is no one would stand for that crap.  


I'm sorry but I'm going have to call BS. If your perogative is to hold a grudge, then more power to you, but simply being just as close minded as retribution is just as shortsided and even hypocritical. Especialyl since they outright apologize to you after Horizon ends. Me personally, I'm not going to demonize them because of one are of crappy writing.

  





we  will disagree on that . I just think Shepard should have a right to deal with those 2 in his own way instead of being nerfed like he was . 



So your mad becuase you couldn't say anything back to them? So what. During the course of the conversation you either try to explain your reasoning for working with them or if your going the renegade route you basicaly say "deal with it." and end of convo.

But you want to argue and have an idiot fight with them? Lets just ignore the fact they feel betrayed becuase you work for terrorists.  why would they be upset about that? I say its better to disarm with kindness but hey if whining is your porogitive go ahead.

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I am Ash, and this is my favorite spectre gear on the Citadel :D

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They aren't as skilled as Shepard, of course, but they still fought by his side when he defeated Saren. Everyone who ever joined Shepard is skilled enough to be a Spectre, if you asked me.

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Not sure how I feel about the VS being a spectre. I think Garrus would've been a better choice, but he was obviously kickin' collector butt with us, so there would've been no time for him to be a spectre. Kaidan and Ash seem so pro-Alliance that they'd probably just do whatever the Alliance wants without question; not good spectre material in my eyes.

Of course, some time has passed, so I'm anxious to see how the characters have matured. I don't think Horizon was a situation that I could judge them by.

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Ya'll think that Ash/Kaidan pined away for your Shep for 2 damn years?! Talk to Anderson in the Citadel and he says what Ash/Kaidan is doing is classified. You know jack squat about what they've been up to for TWO DAMN YEARS. TWO. DAMN. YEARS.

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XavierL wrote...

ROD525 wrote...

Ash and or Kaidan fought just as hard as Sheperd to save the galaxy.I say the title is well deserved. Good for them if true.


It is not about how hard someone fights or whether or not they deserve it. 

Let us look at Spectres. The Codex entery states that a Spectre can nutrilize problems with diplomacy or force; the choice is up to them. So, obviouly character doesn't really play too much a role. Saren was a ruthless son of a ****. Nihlus was much kinder, but had moments of being a little cold. Shepard became a Spectre whether we was Paragon Shep or Renagade Shep. Also there have been many veterans worthy of praise over the years. C-sec officers, war generals, heroes of various battles, etc. That doesn't matter. They have to have the skills for it. 

Lets look at the Spectres we know. Nihlus, Saren, Sheperd, and Vasir. Saren put up a hell of a fight. He was a badass. no matter how evil. Nihlus fought Samara for days on end; he fought against a Justicar and survived. Vasir was an amazing biotic who was hard to get a good bead on. 

As for Shepard, I always stick to the soldier (don't hound me for my choice, just stick with me) and as a soldier, Shepard can find a target, and kill them in under 2 seconds (for regular infantry), this is less than the time it takes for most enemies to even pick a target. If he doesn't kill the target in less than 2 seconds, he can empty a full clip (the Mattock) and take out a massive enemy's shields/armor/barrier. Soldier Shepard can take a beating and dish out at a pace that only Spectres can keep up with, and even then, they can barely keep up. 

When it comes to candidates for Spectres, there are very few that I'm aware of. The only human candidates would be Miranda and Jack. Whether you like Miranda's character or not, she is an amazing warrior. She can take down synthetics. She's a strong (not amazing but clearly above average) biotic. She was engineered to be superior. Ash/Kaiden were above average at best. Miranda can take either, easily. Jack is a superior biotic. There is no human with better biotics. She can rival a six or seven hundred year old Asari. She is a beast. Personally, I wouldn't give her that status simply because she is too much of a loose cannon and unstable. She is not reliable. 

As for Garrus, he might be worthy of Spectre status. He's not as qualified as Shepard or Miranda, and I do not say this lightly. He is my favorite squadmate, and favorite squadmate, but he is only second in ability to Miranda. 

If Thane wasn't dying, he could be a good candidate. He knows his way around a gun and he's a pretty good biotic. He get's jobs done and is one of the most efficient killers out there. He is a one man Black Op team. 

Samara could be one, if she wanted, but she's a Justicar. She wont bother. Liara is a great biotic, but that's it. She doesn't really have the air of a Spectre. 

Wrex could be one. He's a Krogan biotic. Those are rare, and he is deadly. He could manage. Sadly, he wouldn't take the job. He's all about the Krogan, and could give a damn about the Citadel and its affairs. 

But, there is yet another factor for Spectres; and that's a sense of duty and reliability.Shepard has them. Nihlus had them. Even Saren, in his own twisted way had them. So did Vesir. That's why I stand behind Miranda as a good candidate. When it comes to a sense of duty and reliability, Ash/Kaiden have them, but they lack in ability. Garrus has the sense of duty. 

All in all, Spectires need have amazing combat abilities, a sense of duty and they have to be reliability. 



Jack? Really? Chaotic mean anything to you?
This appears to be your subjective opinion on the matter.

Modifié par Naamah_bb, 21 avril 2011 - 10:46 .


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Naamah_bb wrote...

XavierL wrote...

ROD525 wrote...

Ash and or Kaidan fought just as hard as Sheperd to save the galaxy.I say the title is well deserved. Good for them if true.


It is not about how hard someone fights or whether or not they deserve it. 

Let us look at Spectres. The Codex entery states that a Spectre can nutrilize problems with diplomacy or force; the choice is up to them. So, obviouly character doesn't really play too much a role. Saren was a ruthless son of a ****. Nihlus was much kinder, but had moments of being a little cold. Shepard became a Spectre whether we was Paragon Shep or Renagade Shep. Also there have been many veterans worthy of praise over the years. C-sec officers, war generals, heroes of various battles, etc. That doesn't matter. They have to have the skills for it. 

Lets look at the Spectres we know. Nihlus, Saren, Sheperd, and Vasir. Saren put up a hell of a fight. He was a badass. no matter how evil. Nihlus fought Samara for days on end; he fought against a Justicar and survived. Vasir was an amazing biotic who was hard to get a good bead on. 

As for Shepard, I always stick to the soldier (don't hound me for my choice, just stick with me) and as a soldier, Shepard can find a target, and kill them in under 2 seconds (for regular infantry), this is less than the time it takes for most enemies to even pick a target. If he doesn't kill the target in less than 2 seconds, he can empty a full clip (the Mattock) and take out a massive enemy's shields/armor/barrier. Soldier Shepard can take a beating and dish out at a pace that only Spectres can keep up with, and even then, they can barely keep up. 

When it comes to candidates for Spectres, there are very few that I'm aware of. The only human candidates would be Miranda and Jack. Whether you like Miranda's character or not, she is an amazing warrior. She can take down synthetics. She's a strong (not amazing but clearly above average) biotic. She was engineered to be superior. Ash/Kaiden were above average at best. Miranda can take either, easily. Jack is a superior biotic. There is no human with better biotics. She can rival a six or seven hundred year old Asari. She is a beast. Personally, I wouldn't give her that status simply because she is too much of a loose cannon and unstable. She is not reliable. 

As for Garrus, he might be worthy of Spectre status. He's not as qualified as Shepard or Miranda, and I do not say this lightly. He is my favorite squadmate, and favorite squadmate, but he is only second in ability to Miranda. 

If Thane wasn't dying, he could be a good candidate. He knows his way around a gun and he's a pretty good biotic. He get's jobs done and is one of the most efficient killers out there. He is a one man Black Op team. 

Samara could be one, if she wanted, but she's a Justicar. She wont bother. Liara is a great biotic, but that's it. She doesn't really have the air of a Spectre. 

Wrex could be one. He's a Krogan biotic. Those are rare, and he is deadly. He could manage. Sadly, he wouldn't take the job. He's all about the Krogan, and could give a damn about the Citadel and its affairs. 

But, there is yet another factor for Spectres; and that's a sense of duty and reliability.Shepard has them. Nihlus had them. Even Saren, in his own twisted way had them. So did Vesir. That's why I stand behind Miranda as a good candidate. When it comes to a sense of duty and reliability, Ash/Kaiden have them, but they lack in ability. Garrus has the sense of duty. 

All in all, Spectires need have amazing combat abilities, a sense of duty and they have to be reliability. 



Jack? Really? Chaotic mean anything to you?
This appears to be your subjective opinion on the matter.


I said she was too much of a loose cannon. That means chaos. 

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id rather have shepard be one of the few and one of the last spectres.


Yes, buy why be the last spectre when you could have the love of your life be one with you as well. How romantic!

I called it now. Hot spectre sex full'O sploSHUNS.

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KotOREffecT wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

id rather have shepard be one of the few and one of the last spectres.


Yes, buy why be the last spectre when you could have the love of your life be one with you as well. How romantic!

I called it now. Hot spectre sex full'O sploSHUNS.



:huh::happy::o

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They aren't as skilled as Shepard, of course, but they still fought by his side when he defeated Saren. Everyone who ever joined Shepard is skilled enough to be a Spectre, if you asked me.


Kaiden was not recruited. He was already aboard the SR1 from the beginning. Ash was taken aboard because she was a decent shot. She is a good soldier, I agree, but she is just that. a good soldier. Not an amazing one. Just being by Shep's side when he killed Saren isn't enough. By that logic, all of the orignal squad members are worthy of being Spectres, and that idea is a bad joke. 

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XavierL wrote...

IrishSpectre257 wrote...

They aren't as skilled as Shepard, of course, but they still fought by his side when he defeated Saren. Everyone who ever joined Shepard is skilled enough to be a Spectre, if you asked me.


Kaiden was not recruited. He was already aboard the SR1 from the beginning. Ash was taken aboard because she was a decent shot. She is a good soldier, I agree, but she is just that. a good soldier. Not an amazing one. Just being by Shep's side when he killed Saren isn't enough. By that logic, all of the orignal squad members are worthy of being Spectres, and that idea is a bad joke. 


They're all skilled enough, just don't have the demeanour. Unlike Ash, or Kaidan.

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Wow, really, they're Spectre agents now? Really? okay....

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Hmmm....last spectre. That's an interesting idea actually.

I now want the Council to fall and for humanity to go freelancing against all the other races and vice versa.

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Garrus is good, but he was busy being Batman and then being with Shepard

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Cancer Puppet wrote...

Wow, really, they're Spectre agents now? Really? okay....


No, a badly written magazine article full of blatant inaccuracies claims they are.  There's a difference.

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skcih-deraj wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

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ExtremeOne wrote...

hell no there is no one would stand for that crap.  


I'm sorry but I'm going have to call BS. If your perogative is to hold a grudge, then more power to you, but simply being just as close minded as retribution is just as shortsided and even hypocritical. Especialyl since they outright apologize to you after Horizon ends. Me personally, I'm not going to demonize them because of one are of crappy writing.

  





we  will disagree on that . I just think Shepard should have a right to deal with those 2 in his own way instead of being nerfed like he was . 



So your mad becuase you couldn't say anything back to them? So what. During the course of the conversation you either try to explain your reasoning for working with them or if your going the renegade route you basicaly say "deal with it." and end of convo.

But you want to argue and have an idiot fight with them? Lets just ignore the fact they feel betrayed becuase you work for terrorists.  why would they be upset about that? I say its better to disarm with kindness but hey if whining is your porogitive go ahead.

  















We just have different ideas on that . Its fine I am the type person and My Shepard enbodies my personality that if someone talks crap to me and call me out for doing what they think is wrong and they act like ass to me then . Yeah you dam right I want to tell them how I feel and deal with them .  

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didymos1120 wrote...

Cancer Puppet wrote...

Wow, really, they're Spectre agents now? Really? okay....


No, a badly written magazine article full of blatant inaccuracies claims they are.  There's a difference.


It's going to be so much fun repeating this for the next 7 months. Ugh.

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Jzadek72 wrote...

XavierL wrote...

IrishSpectre257 wrote...

They aren't as skilled as Shepard, of course, but they still fought by his side when he defeated Saren. Everyone who ever joined Shepard is skilled enough to be a Spectre, if you asked me.


Kaiden was not recruited. He was already aboard the SR1 from the beginning. Ash was taken aboard because she was a decent shot. She is a good soldier, I agree, but she is just that. a good soldier. Not an amazing one. Just being by Shep's side when he killed Saren isn't enough. By that logic, all of the orignal squad members are worthy of being Spectres, and that idea is a bad joke. 


They're all skilled enough, just don't have the demeanour. Unlike Ash, or Kaidan.


Tali is useless in a fight against organics. She couldn't do much against the Collectors. She's only good for fighting mechs and geth. Kaiden can take infantry, but he is useless against the big stuff. Large mechs, Threshers, etc. Wrex is good enough, but he wouldn't be interested. Garrus is worthy of being in the NFL, but he's be 2nd string. Ash just doesn't have it in her. In order for a human soldier to make Spectre, they have to be on Shepard's level. He is the standard for human Spectres, since he was the 1st.