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Shepard didn't even do much to become a spectre.

Turn in some evidence get made a spectre.

In fact, I declare everyone in this room a honorary spectre!

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nickkcin11 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

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The VS is going to make a fine Spectre.

  


Oh please you VS fans got your wish those 2 pieces of crap are in 3 as well being squad mates . what more do you want .   

In every post that you have made that I've read you seem like your angry at the world (and Bioware).

   







I am not angry at the world but yeah Bioware has showned that it has certain character fan groups  that get special treatment . like Kaiden and Ashley , Liara , and Anderson . what the hell about us ME 2 fans and the ME 2 characters that we like . Bioware does not have the balls to tell us if Miranda or Jacob will be in 3 . but oh we got to make sure ME 1 fans get their favorites back first .  Oh so now I am suppose to buy this crap about Liara the new Shadow Broker being a sqaud mate what was the purpose of making her the Shadow Broker then .  I just think Bioware has always been more on the ME 1 fans side and its sad they do not give a Sh*t about us ME 2 fans . 

Yes the special treatment of VS survivor fans like having our character not even in ME2 (oh wait a minor cameo, the cameo was less than Conrad Verner's). And Anderson fans getting special treatment? How do you figure? He has one of the most popular voice actors and was yet again reduced to a minor role in ME2. Stop complaining about, "Woe is me, there has been one article about ME3 and Miranda/Jacob wasn't mentioned. This means they have been removed from game. BOYCOTT BW!!!!" Miranda is almost guaranteed to be in the game do to her large fanbase. Jacob on the other hand... I'm sorry but everyone hates him. Hopefully he is in for people who romanced him but if he is not, it's not because BW hates ME2 fans. Can't you feel happy for ME1 fans instead of complaining? We deserve to have some good information since we have been fans since the beginning till the end.

Protip Numero Uno: Insulting BW will not make them tell you if Miranda/Jacob will be in ME3.

Protip Numero Dos: Insulting other fanbases and whining means no one will take you seriously.

  





Point taken and congrats go out to the ME 1 fans 

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mrsph wrote...

Shepard didn't even do much to become a spectre.

Turn in some evidence get made a spectre.


Along with shredding enemies into cheese in the Skillian Blitz, surviving a ground attack by a number of threshar maws, or ruthlessly killing batarians. And completing N7 training. And being the best combatant in the galaxy. And being charismatic.

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And Kaidan/Ashley helped take down Saren

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mrsph wrote...

And Kaidan/Ashley helped take down Saren


So did Joker. Does he get to be a Spectre? 

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The VS being a Spectre is the Bee's Knee's.

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XavierL wrote...

So did Joker. Does he get to be a Spectre? 


Everyone gets to be made a spectre

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XavierL wrote...

mrsph wrote...

And Kaidan/Ashley helped take down Saren


So did Joker. Does he get to be a Spectre? 


No. Got any more spurious questions with obvious answers?

Modifié par didymos1120, 22 avril 2011 - 02:27 .


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Tali can't be made a spectre because she's a quarian and they don't even have an embassy.

Same for Wrex as above.

Garrus flaked out

Liara is the Shadowbroker.

Leaving Ash/Kaidan. It even makes sense if they wanted to replace Shepard for political reasons after s/he died.

edit: And they didn't pick a random no name human because they wanted an already established character for it.

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mrsph wrote...

XavierL wrote...

So did Joker. Does he get to be a Spectre? 


Everyone gets to be made a spectre

Can the Geth be one too?

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PARAGON87 wrote...

Sorry if I'm late to the party here, but where was it said that the VS is a Spectre?

Or is this Spectre talk just speculation?


A PS3 magazine, with shaky evidence, stated that VS will become a spectre in the third game. Some posters are B****ing over it because they don't feel that they're qualified. Oh, and because Ash has trust issues that disqualifies her from being a Spectre. ;)

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XavierL wrote...

mrsph wrote...

And Kaidan/Ashley helped take down Saren


So did Joker. Does he get to be a Spectre? 


He got pissy and joined a terrorist organization. ;)

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Sorry no,your going off into assumptions about how Spectres are chosen especially the one's you've mentioned.


False. My "assumptions" are based off of codex, in game dialogue, and the Council's own words which trump anything else that someone may say on these forums. 

You have no idea what the VS has been doing for those two years and whether they have filled your "criteria" to become a Spectre.


True and false. 

Yes, I don't know what the VS had been doing. While I never said that I did, there is, in my posts, as strong assumption that they hadn't changed as characters. Thank you for pointing this out, as you are  correct. Ashley may have done or found something worthy of Spectre status in the two years since Shepard died. I am fairly skeptical about this, as her new found independence in ME2 hadn't yet allowed her to achieve Spectre status (so far as I could see). Which means that in the two to three month period after ME2, before ME3, she must've done something fairly important.

It is important to note that, almost immediately after Shepard died, Anderson and Udina would've been looking around for a possible human Spectre as Humanities new poster child. Obviously these plans fell through, because Ashley isn't a Spectre in ME2. It is possible that there is another human Spectre out there (I hope so) since Shepard's death, but only time will tell.

No, this isn't my criteria. This is the Council's criteria. Hence, your argument is now invalid.

Im all for the fact that they could have been nominated for Spectre status for pure political reasons but you cant dismiss the probability that since the last time you both served together that they got better "skill" wise.

1. I'm glad you and I agree that the main reason Ashley or Kaiden would be nominated is for less respectable reasons. The Alliance would see them as effective resources, like super Alliance-Corsairs, fully aware that their loyalty to the Alliance could be easily manipulated. 

2. We don't actually know how skilled they are. We never got to see them do anything but shoot guns (what's Bioware's obsession with guns? Why didn't Kaiden use his biotics?)

Hell Garrus was the Mall Cop in Mass Effect but in ME2 he is the turian version of Rambo during the whole Archangel Mission.:wizard:


Garrus was a top agent for C Sec. The equivalent of an elite police detective on Earth. He went from being John Wayne to Bruce Wayne.

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didymos1120 wrote...

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The VS shouldn't be a spectre it would be an insult to Shepard's greatness.


Why should the Council give a crap about some utter intangible like that? Why should the devs for that matter?



Because spectres are the elite of th elite operatives in the galaxy not just run of the mill soldiers who are riding teh coattails of a living legend
If they make them spectres just because they worked along with Shepard than they might as well give everybody aboard the Normandy a higher-ranking position.

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The equivalent of an elite police detective on Earth. He went from being John Wayne to Bruce Wayne.


More like Frank Castle.

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100k wrote...

BornFree87 wrote...
Sorry no,your going off into assumptions about how Spectres are chosen especially the one's you've mentioned.


False. My "assumptions" are based off of codex, in game dialogue, and the Council's own words which trump anything else that someone may say on these forums. 

You have no idea what the VS has been doing for those two years and whether they have filled your "criteria" to become a Spectre.


True and false. 

Yes, I don't know what the VS had been doing. While I never said that I did, there is, in my posts, as strong assumption that they hadn't changed as characters. Thank you for pointing this out, as you are  correct. Ashley may have done or found something worthy of Spectre status in the two years since Shepard died. I am fairly skeptical about this, as her new found independence in ME2 hadn't yet allowed her to achieve Spectre status (so far as I could see). Which means that in the two to three month period after ME2, before ME3, she must've done something fairly important.

It is important to note that, almost immediately after Shepard died, Anderson and Udina would've been looking around for a possible human Spectre as Humanities new poster child. Obviously these plans fell through, because Ashley isn't a Spectre in ME2. It is possible that there is another human Spectre out there (I hope so) since Shepard's death, but only time will tell.

No, this isn't my criteria. This is the Council's criteria. Hence, your argument is now invalid.

Im all for the fact that they could have been nominated for Spectre status for pure political reasons but you cant dismiss the probability that since the last time you both served together that they got better "skill" wise.

1. I'm glad you and I agree that the main reason Ashley or Kaiden would be nominated is for less respectable reasons. The Alliance would see them as effective resources, like super Alliance-Corsairs, fully aware that their loyalty to the Alliance could be easily manipulated. 

2. We don't actually know how skilled they are. We never got to see them do anything but shoot guns (what's Bioware's obsession with guns? Why didn't Kaiden use his biotics?)

Hell Garrus was the Mall Cop in Mass Effect but in ME2 he is the turian version of Rambo during the whole Archangel Mission.:wizard:


Garrus was a top agent for C Sec. The equivalent of an elite police detective on Earth. He went from being John Wayne to Bruce Wayne.


Hahaha,i thought we were having a meaningful debate but this line here takes the cake:
" I'm glad you and I agree that the main reason Ashley or Kaiden would be nominated is for less
respectable reasons. The Alliance would see them as effective resources, like super Alliance-Corsairs,
fully aware that  their loyalty to the Alliance could be easily manipulated."
I never agreed that was the main reason but a possible reason and as for the the "assumptions" bit, i was refering to your logic behind why the other characters that have been shown to be Spectres were chosen and yes those are "assumptions".
Sorry your garrus equivalent is more in line of fan fiction then actual development,he was a Mall Cop in my game always asking me how he should handle situations then in ME2 i find him bunkered down with a vengeance persona.:happy:

Modifié par BornFree87, 22 avril 2011 - 02:57 .


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XavierL wrote...

mrsph wrote...

And Kaidan/Ashley helped take down Saren


So did Joker. Does he get to be a Spectre? 


Joker killed Sovereign

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88mphSlayer wrote...

XavierL wrote...

mrsph wrote...

And Kaidan/Ashley helped take down Saren


So did Joker. Does he get to be a Spectre? 


Joker killed Sovereign


Joker should be a Fleet Admiral

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BornFree87 wrote...

100k wrote...

BornFree87 wrote...
Sorry no,your going off into assumptions about how Spectres are chosen especially the one's you've mentioned.


False. My "assumptions" are based off of codex, in game dialogue, and the Council's own words which trump anything else that someone may say on these forums. 

You have no idea what the VS has been doing for those two years and whether they have filled your "criteria" to become a Spectre.


True and false. 

Yes, I don't know what the VS had been doing. While I never said that I did, there is, in my posts, as strong assumption that they hadn't changed as characters. Thank you for pointing this out, as you are  correct. Ashley may have done or found something worthy of Spectre status in the two years since Shepard died. I am fairly skeptical about this, as her new found independence in ME2 hadn't yet allowed her to achieve Spectre status (so far as I could see). Which means that in the two to three month period after ME2, before ME3, she must've done something fairly important.

It is important to note that, almost immediately after Shepard died, Anderson and Udina would've been looking around for a possible human Spectre as Humanities new poster child. Obviously these plans fell through, because Ashley isn't a Spectre in ME2. It is possible that there is another human Spectre out there (I hope so) since Shepard's death, but only time will tell.

No, this isn't my criteria. This is the Council's criteria. Hence, your argument is now invalid.

Im all for the fact that they could have been nominated for Spectre status for pure political reasons but you cant dismiss the probability that since the last time you both served together that they got better "skill" wise.

1. I'm glad you and I agree that the main reason Ashley or Kaiden would be nominated is for less respectable reasons. The Alliance would see them as effective resources, like super Alliance-Corsairs, fully aware that their loyalty to the Alliance could be easily manipulated. 

2. We don't actually know how skilled they are. We never got to see them do anything but shoot guns (what's Bioware's obsession with guns? Why didn't Kaiden use his biotics?)

Hell Garrus was the Mall Cop in Mass Effect but in ME2 he is the turian version of Rambo during the whole Archangel Mission.:wizard:


Garrus was a top agent for C Sec. The equivalent of an elite police detective on Earth. He went from being John Wayne to Bruce Wayne.


Hahaha,i thought we were having a meaningful debate but this line here takes the cake:
" I'm glad you and I agree that the main reason Ashley or Kaiden would be nominated is for less
respectable reasons. The Alliance would see them as effective resources, like super Alliance-Corsairs,
fully aware that  their loyalty to the Alliance could be easily manipulated."
I never agreed that was the main reason but a possible reason and as for the the "assumptions" bit, i was refering to your logic behind why the other characters that have been shown to be Spectres were chosen and yes those are "assumptions".
Sorry your garrus equivalent is more in line of fan fiction then actual development,he was a Mall Cop in my game always asking me how he should handle situations then in ME2 i find him bunkered down with a vengeance persona.:happy:



Oooooh, I see. I'm talking to a 14 year old<_< 

Great. All that work for nothing.

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By the time ME2 comes around, I think Anderson would have sent Ashley to N7 school. I also think she would have her own team at this stage. I wrote a speculative fanfic on this subject.
http://www.fanfictio...ears_of_the_Sun

I think she would definitely be on Anderson's A-Team, selected for heavy risk missions with high prizes. Whether she's a Spectre or not? I wouldn't object.

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100k wrote...

BornFree87 wrote...

100k wrote...

BornFree87 wrote...
Sorry no,your going off into assumptions about how Spectres are chosen especially the one's you've mentioned.


False. My "assumptions" are based off of codex, in game dialogue, and the Council's own words which trump anything else that someone may say on these forums. 

You have no idea what the VS has been doing for those two years and whether they have filled your "criteria" to become a Spectre.


True and false. 

Yes, I don't know what the VS had been doing. While I never said that I did, there is, in my posts, as strong assumption that they hadn't changed as characters. Thank you for pointing this out, as you are  correct. Ashley may have done or found something worthy of Spectre status in the two years since Shepard died. I am fairly skeptical about this, as her new found independence in ME2 hadn't yet allowed her to achieve Spectre status (so far as I could see). Which means that in the two to three month period after ME2, before ME3, she must've done something fairly important.

It is important to note that, almost immediately after Shepard died, Anderson and Udina would've been looking around for a possible human Spectre as Humanities new poster child. Obviously these plans fell through, because Ashley isn't a Spectre in ME2. It is possible that there is another human Spectre out there (I hope so) since Shepard's death, but only time will tell.

No, this isn't my criteria. This is the Council's criteria. Hence, your argument is now invalid.

Im all for the fact that they could have been nominated for Spectre status for pure political reasons but you cant dismiss the probability that since the last time you both served together that they got better "skill" wise.

1. I'm glad you and I agree that the main reason Ashley or Kaiden would be nominated is for less respectable reasons. The Alliance would see them as effective resources, like super Alliance-Corsairs, fully aware that their loyalty to the Alliance could be easily manipulated. 

2. We don't actually know how skilled they are. We never got to see them do anything but shoot guns (what's Bioware's obsession with guns? Why didn't Kaiden use his biotics?)

Hell Garrus was the Mall Cop in Mass Effect but in ME2 he is the turian version of Rambo during the whole Archangel Mission.:wizard:


Garrus was a top agent for C Sec. The equivalent of an elite police detective on Earth. He went from being John Wayne to Bruce Wayne.


Hahaha,i thought we were having a meaningful debate but this line here takes the cake:
" I'm glad you and I agree that the main reason Ashley or Kaiden would be nominated is for less
respectable reasons. The Alliance would see them as effective resources, like super Alliance-Corsairs,
fully aware that  their loyalty to the Alliance could be easily manipulated."
I never agreed that was the main reason but a possible reason and as for the the "assumptions" bit, i was refering to your logic behind why the other characters that have been shown to be Spectres were chosen and yes those are "assumptions".
Sorry your garrus equivalent is more in line of fan fiction then actual development,he was a Mall Cop in my game always asking me how he should handle situations then in ME2 i find him bunkered down with a vengeance persona.:happy:



Oooooh, I see. I'm talking to a 14 year old<_< 

Great. All that work for nothing.


Great comeback,its good to know that you believe everything that you type out is true and that others opinions are either false,invalid or from the imagination of an adolescent. :wizard:

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Any actual confermation from a Dev that they are indeed Spectres?

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Made Nightwing wrote...

By the time ME2 comes around, I think Anderson would have sent Ashley to N7 school. I also think she would have her own team at this stage. I wrote a speculative fanfic on this subject.
http://www.fanfictio...ears_of_the_Sun

I think she would definitely be on Anderson's A-Team, selected for heavy risk missions with high prizes. Whether she's a Spectre or not? I wouldn't object.



I think Anderson, Joker, or TIM would've mentioned it if she did.
I'm not sure Anderson has the authority to send Ash to N7 school he's only a rear admiral in the Alliance.
Plus Ash/Kaidan don't have N7 armor but Shepard does

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btw, where did this info about VS spectre come from?

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Autoclave wrote...

btw, where did this info about VS spectre come from?


If it came from PSM, which it sounds like it did, I'm not sure I'd take it seriously.