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[BeefoTheBold]

Seena wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...



Translation: I'm not going to address the points you made in your posts at all. Rather, I'll just repeat my previous post and hope that nobody notices. For spice I'll get personal and accuse the other person of crying and whining in my posts.

How about cutting the personal attack irrelevencies out and actually engaging the substance of my arguments?

Translation: I didn't address your points because they are irrelevant.

YOU chose to buy the game fresh off the press.

No one made you do it.

Stop pointing your finger elsewhere.

Declaring arguments irrelevant does not make them so. Counter arguments are what is needed.

I'm going to assume that you won't respond to my arguments because you lack the ability to do so. Whatever that reason my be, whether it is laziness or just plain lack of intelligence, I suppose doesn't matter.

It's clear you have zero interest in actually debating anything but would rather just continue to reiterate and recycle the same post ad nauseum.

Pro's Tip: If that's all you're going to do, in the future you can save yourself time by just copy/pasting.

It's clear there's no real point of continuing this. I'm sure that Bioware loves your suggestion that nobody ever preorder a game from them again. I suspect that after DA2 there are plenty of people who will be taking you up on that advice.

Modifié par BeefoTheBold, 22 avril 2011 - 12:36 .

[thesuperdarkone]

Seena wrote...

thesuperdarkone wrote...



And I assume you read the reviews and still bought the game because some say it's a disappointment. Sektor is not amused:

I don't give a rat's **** with mayonaisse if "Sektor" is amused or not.

I bought the game on release.  Parts of it I like - parts of it I don't.  But what you DON'T and will NEVER see me do, is whine and ****** and moan that the devs ****ed me over - when it was MY choice to buy the game sight unseen.


And that is as simple as that.

 

I'm not complanining. Seems you're a tad pissed off about this. You can't stop the opinions of others no matter how hard you try. I see people praising Tali while I find her annoying yet I ignore it. It may seem hard but follow the Scorpion way and ignore them since you might as well be talking to a rock. If you don't then you're going to look like the end of Cyrax's fatality.

[MorrigansLove]

CaptainIsabela wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

CaptainIsabela wrote...

BioWare did not mess up. BioWare rock. I am a BioWare kiss-ass

Yeah! Woo! Go Bioware! *gets hit by tomato*

Mmm..I like tomatoes!!!

Mmm... I like you

[DrFumb1ezX]

Seena wrote...

soccerchick wrote...


P.S. I liked the game.

I think you should go and slit your wrists in apology. It would, after all, impress the emo crowd. 

edit: Sektor can kiss my Indian ass

I would, but i'm afraid I might sparkle if I walked out into the sun. Can't have that now can we? 

 Sektor sad!
... who's Sektor?

[Seena]

thesuperdarkone wrote...

Seena wrote...

thesuperdarkone wrote...



And I assume you read the reviews and still bought the game because some say it's a disappointment. Sektor is not amused:

I don't give a rat's **** with mayonaisse if "Sektor" is amused or not.

I bought the game on release.  Parts of it I like - parts of it I don't.  But what you DON'T and will NEVER see me do, is whine and ****** and moan that the devs ****ed me over - when it was MY choice to buy the game sight unseen.


And that is as simple as that.

 

I'm not complanining. Seems you're a tad pissed off about this. You can't stop the opinions of others no matter how hard you try. I see people praising Tali while I find her annoying yet I ignore it. It may seem hard but follow the Scorpion way and ignore them since you might as well be talking to a rock. If you don't then you're going to look like the end of Cyrax's fatality.

Did I accuse you, specifically, of complaining?  Nope I didn't.  Did I call for a cessation of people's opinions?  Nope I didn't.  Did I call for a cessation of people complaining about the game?

Nope - I did not.

What I DID find most amusing was that people expected an ****apology**** from the devs because they unwisely dropped money - sight unseen - and now have their panties in a wad because the game isn't what they expected.

Scorpions are best appreciated- under the heel of my boot.  As for looking like the end of "Cyrax's fatality" -  sorry but you fail. Massively.

Modifié par Seena, 22 avril 2011 - 12:41 .

[thesuperdarkone]

soccerchick wrote...

Seena wrote...

soccerchick wrote...


P.S. I liked the game.

I think you should go and slit your wrists in apology. It would, after all, impress the emo crowd. 

edit: Sektor can kiss my Indian ass

I would, but i'm afraid I might sparkle if I walked out into the sun. Can't have that now can we? 

 Sektor sad!
... who's Sektor?

 

http://mortalkombat....com/wiki/Sektor 

One of my favorite characters but Scorpion and Sub-Zero are on the top of that list.

[erynnar]

Ariella wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

When they start development for DA3, Mark Darrah, Mike Laidlaw and David Gaider will probably bash DA2 and point out its flaws, and how they improved upon it in every way, and how they "weren't going to rest on their laurels" .

Just like they did in the developer diaries for DA2, where they also bashed Origins, if i'm not mistaken.

They didn't bash Origins, they pointed out places where they got negative criticism on the game, and thus tried ti improve upon those things like the color palate or the art design (both of which were panned in Origins by many people).

As they've probably already started development on DA3, they'll do the same thing and see what were the biggest problems fans had, what worked, what didn't, what they can improve on, what to leave along. A lot of that will be based on fan feedback. But it doesn't mean it's bashing the game, it means they listen to the fanbase and try and improve their product.

I see DA2 as a bash against Origins in many ways. The stripping away of what made DAO so good and not fixing what wasn't. They completely rehauled DAO, then they make your choices in it not matter once stinkin' bit except for a few cameos. Two of those cameos, were characters who could have died (and no Anders didn't die in Andraste's cave filled with magic woo woo, or the ashes of Andraste's magical knickers which apparently puts heads back on bodies!  And if that is a good way to explain how Leli comes back, I'll start considering "The Enquirer" as fine literature, sorry Mark Twain).

That is shoddy story telling, and a complete ignoring of their own lore and storylines established in the first, and an insult to DAO, Mr. Knowles, those of us who knew DAO wasn't perfect but know it is far better than DA2 will ever hope to be, and the writers and devs who gave DAO such love and shared it with us.

I get the distinct feeling as if DA2 was made to act as if DAO's story is the shoddy embarrassment that needed an overhaul, it didn't. Yes it may have been like High Fantasy stories told since mankind crawled out of the mud. Don't like it? Also fine and good, tastes range. But there is a reason why that kind of story appeals so broadly. Slave makes good from rags to riches isn't new and original either. I liked both stories, but DA2's was poorly executed imho.   It wasn't DAO that needed to be overhauled while pretending that it had some form of game herpes.

[MorrigansLove]

CaptainIsabela wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

CaptainIsabela wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

CaptainIsabela wrote...

BioWare did not mess up. BioWare rock. I am a BioWare kiss-ass

Yeah! Woo! Go Bioware! *gets hit by tomato*

Mmm..I like tomatoes!!!

Mmm... I like you

I like Morrigan (but not as much as Isabela!)

Me. You. Isabella and Morrigan. Foursome. Now.

[DrFumb1ezX]

thesuperdarkone wrote...

soccerchick wrote...

Seena wrote...

soccerchick wrote...


P.S. I liked the game.

I think you should go and slit your wrists in apology. It would, after all, impress the emo crowd. 

edit: Sektor can kiss my Indian ass

I would, but i'm afraid I might sparkle if I walked out into the sun. Can't have that now can we? 

 Sektor sad!
... who's Sektor?

 

http://mortalkombat....com/wiki/Sektor 

One of my favorite characters but Scorpion and Sub-Zero are on the top of that list.

Ah, okay. Never really got into the Mortal Kombat series, but obscure references are good in my book.:happy:

[DrFumb1ezX]

CaptainIsabela wrote...

..see this PROVES BioWare didn't mess up. Their characters bring people together!!

*double facepalm*
makes about as much sense as [insert comedic line here].

[erynnar]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

Seena wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...



Gosh I know!

How dare customers rely on Bioware's proven track record of success and reward them by preordering a game on the assumption that the sequel to a AAA title will also be a very good game.

Further, how dare they deliberately choose not to research too closely because they want to avoid any details on the storyline of an RPG?

I know, for instance, that anyone who has a favorite author who they've read for years and buys the next book in a series without spending hours exhaustedly investigating to ensure that the next book in a series is both A) Actually good and Does things like, I dunno, continue the storyline from the previous book in the series is completely naive!

If 60 bucks is such a big deal, again, spending it blindly - is foolish.

Before I go to a movie, I read the reviews.  Before I buy an appliance - I read the reviews. Before I drop dime on a hardcover book - I read the reviews.

You want pre-order with all the shinies? - That's greed and an inability to delay satisfaction.

Your choice of course- but when you don't like what you purchased without any knowledge of how the game would play - again, you have no one to blame - but yourself.  Not the game developers.

Sheesh.

Alright, enough sarcasm on my part.

The money isn't a big deal at all. I could go into the bathroom and flush it down the toiled the next time I feel the need to take a dump and it wouldn't materially impact me.

What I don't get is how people like you see no connection whatsoever to the very natural expectation that the sequel to a AAA game would play very similar and have the same level of quality to the previous AAA game with some tweaks and minor improvements, not a complete overhaul.

Expecting that is not naive blindness. It is a natural and logical assumption that gamers have been making for many, MANY years. To borrow from a different part of EA's game lineup, it's like expecting that Madden Football 2011 will be fairly similar to Madden 2010. You don't expect it to suddenly transform into a basketball game.

Further, your analogy is completely faulty because you're leaving out two incredibly important pieces:

1. Bioware's track record until recent memory. - You never did address the analogy of the favorite author.

Certain companies build up and establish credibility. It's the entire point to a preorder. There's an implied promise between the developer and the fanbase built into the joint history they have together. And for AAA titles, yes, it is completely normal to preorder to ensure you get an early copy when a certain level of quality is reasonably ensured.

When that implied promise is broken, yes, the developer shares blame. Don't try and tell me that Bioware didn't know things like, for example, the recycled environments weren't going to be negatively received.

2. The utter departure from a AAA title.

Name the last game that was a AAA title that got completely overhauled with the sequel. Did God of War 2 completely change up everything from God of War 1? Or how about Halo 2 vs Halo 1?

And this, yes, a developer shares faults for this as well. Particularly when the new game carries the same name as the previous one.

As with #1 above, a game carrying the same name carries the expectation that it will be the same type of game.

This^ And I don't require an apology. I do reserve the right to voice my complaints in logical and friendly (if not snarky--sorry I can't help it I keep hitting the middle button on the convo wheel!) manner. Which I have been doing. And enjoying the fine company of those that do and don't agree with me. I must say I really enjoy you all (well most except the trolls).

[Cutlass Jack]

CaptainIsabela wrote...

..see this PROVES BioWare didn't mess up. Their characters bring people together!!

Blights also do this.

[Seena]

BeefoTheBold wrote...


Declaring arguments irrelevant does not make them so. Counter arguments are what is needed.

I'm going to assume that you won't respond to my arguments because you lack the ability to do so. Whatever that reason my be, whether it is laziness or just plain lack of intelligence, I suppose doesn't matter.

It's clear you have zero interest in actually debating anything but would rather just continue to reiterate and recycle the same post ad nauseum.

Pro's Tip: If that's all you're going to do, in the future you can save yourself time by just copy/pasting.

It's clear there's no real point of continuing this. I'm sure that Bioware loves your suggestion that nobody ever preorder a game from them again. I suspect that after DA2 there are plenty of people who will be taking you up on that advice.

Yes yes yes I bow to your emo superiority -  and relinquish sense of self  to the fact that counterarguing mindless fluff is a waste of time.

As for pre-ordering a game from Bioware - I'm betting they'd agree - if your expectations are set in stone - and you're the type that easily gets their nose bent out of shape when your expectations aren't met -  - they'd rather have you wait and decide to purchase AFTER you were more educated about said purchase.

So simple.... so very simple.

[_Aine_]

When? How about never? I am really starting to think that THEY truly believe we are just a bunch of old fogies sitting on the porch with our tepid earl grey tea and stale discount biscuits, adjusting our dentures and speaking of the good-old-days.

For whatever reason, they don't like what DA:O was to them. I think, at least from what has been said publicly on these forums and in interviews, that they truly believe they moved forward very positively, and it is the fans who won't accept change.

Can you imagine a sequel to, say, The Witcher come out and the fans hate the direction and the company blames the fans for not liking the new direction? The fans ARE the new direction if you want to be about sales. If you want it to be about ART then be my guest. I like art. Most of it is unique, challenges rules and boundaries....and is really unsuccessful until someone dies....  Come on lol  Just because it is new doesn't make it a BETTER game than keeping something old because people liked it. It isn't one way or the other.  Just because fans complain doesn't mean we are wrong either.  

Modifié par shantisands, 22 avril 2011 - 12:50 .

[MorrigansLove]

soccerchick wrote...

CaptainIsabela wrote...

..see this PROVES BioWare didn't mess up. Their characters bring people together!!

*double facepalm*
makes about as much sense as [insert comedic line here].

Shut up, man!

[DrFumb1ezX]

MorrigansLove wrote...

soccerchick wrote...

CaptainIsabela wrote...

..see this PROVES BioWare didn't mess up. Their characters bring people together!!

*double facepalm*
makes about as much sense as [insert comedic line here].

Shut up, man!

U MAD, BRO? 

[_Aine_]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

CaptainIsabela wrote...

..see this PROVES BioWare didn't mess up. Their characters bring people together!!

Blights also do this.

in shallow graves, yes.  

[MorrigansLove]

soccerchick wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

soccerchick wrote...

CaptainIsabela wrote...

..see this PROVES BioWare didn't mess up. Their characters bring people together!!

*double facepalm*
makes about as much sense as [insert comedic line here].

Shut up, man!

U MAD, BRO? 

No way, Buddy!

[DrFumb1ezX]

shantisands wrote...

Cutlass Jack wrote...

CaptainIsabela wrote...

..see this PROVES BioWare didn't mess up. Their characters bring people together!!

Blights also do this.

in shallow graves, yes.  

Well, you don't hear that quoted everyday, now do you?

[BeefoTheBold]

Seena wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...


Declaring arguments irrelevant does not make them so. Counter arguments are what is needed.

I'm going to assume that you won't respond to my arguments because you lack the ability to do so. Whatever that reason my be, whether it is laziness or just plain lack of intelligence, I suppose doesn't matter.

It's clear you have zero interest in actually debating anything but would rather just continue to reiterate and recycle the same post ad nauseum.

Pro's Tip: If that's all you're going to do, in the future you can save yourself time by just copy/pasting.

It's clear there's no real point of continuing this. I'm sure that Bioware loves your suggestion that nobody ever preorder a game from them again. I suspect that after DA2 there are plenty of people who will be taking you up on that advice.

Yes yes yes I bow to your emo superiority -  and relinquish sense of self  to the fact that counterarguing mindless fluff is a waste of time.

As for pre-ordering a game from Bioware - I'm betting they'd agree - if your expectations are set in stone - and you're the type that easily gets their nose bent out of shape when your expectations aren't met -  - they'd rather have you wait and decide to purchase AFTER you were more educated about said purchase.

So simple.... so very simple.

Well, got some time before the wife gets home...

I must have missed it, what part of anything at all that I posted qualifies as "emo"?

Let's review the timeline: I laid out a specific set of reasoning why Bioware shares some culpability for the disappointment that their fanbase has, regardless of the availability of online reviews. (And, I'll point out, that it has become common practice for companies to send advance copies of the game to review sites. Bioware specifically did not do so here.)

You declined to engage in any way the substance of my arguments, instead resorting to nothing more than repetition and namecalling. (Which, not surprisingly, is the entire gist of your last post as well.) Sorry, nothing in that timeline in any way is "emo".

And by what logic at all would a company, ANY company, prefer LESS customers buy their product? Seriously, explain your reasoning behind this. Name one company anywhere that wants people to buy less of their product, regardless of what it is? That statement is beyond rediculous.

[MorrigansLove]

"All your bases are belong to us."

- Mike Laidlaw - Lead Designer on 'Dragon Age 3: Awesome to the Max'.