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[AlexXIV]

In a year or so when the game is 5 euro in the discount bin.

[Sidney]

Radwar wrote...
If you call "hey thank you for bringing me back my favorite item I've lost", something that you've found just by roaming around interacting, than you haven't played DAO. Heck even one of DAO's cities, Denerim had alot more NPC interacting than Kirkwall.

...and those fill the Mages Guild niche of quests which had the same "The mages guild thanks you here's some cash" type interaction. Yes they're throwaways but those are always throwaways.

[Shadowbanner]

AlexXIV wrote...

In a year or so when the game is 5 euro in the discount bin.

The game is already selling at 12€ new with some retailers (play.com)

[Radwar]

Sidney wrote...

Radwar wrote...
If you call "hey thank you for bringing me back my favorite item I've lost", something that you've found just by roaming around interacting, than you haven't played DAO. Heck even one of DAO's cities, Denerim had alot more NPC interacting than Kirkwall.

...and those fill the Mages Guild niche of quests which had the same "The mages guild thanks you here's some cash" type interaction. Yes they're throwaways but those are always throwaways.

A guy made a thread about the full interactions in DAO compared to DA2, it's been awhile so feel free to research it if you want to, but it came down to, just in the city of Denerim, there were 11 NPC's you could have full interactions with, while in Kirkwall there was only 4 in a certain chapter.

[AlexXIV]

Shadowbanner wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

In a year or so when the game is 5 euro in the discount bin.

The game is already selling at 12€ new with some retailers (play.com)

I am thinking that may be because some retailers are panicking. They probably ordered alot more than they can sell. Or they foolishly took the game back and gave their customers their money back.

[Everwarden]

AlexXIV wrote...
 Or they foolishly took the game back and gave their customers their money back.

Not foolish in the long term. Customers prefer to buy from places with good refund policies. 

[FedericoV]

AlexXIV wrote...

Shadowbanner wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

In a year or so when the game is 5 euro in the discount bin.

The game is already selling at 12€ new with some retailers (play.com)

I am thinking that may be because some retailers are panicking. They probably ordered alot more than they can sell. Or they foolishly took the game back and gave their customers their money back.

Mind, price dropped very quickly with DA:O too. That's a current trend wit all games.

I bought Arkham Asylum (best game of 2009 imho) paying something like 10-15 euros only a few months after the release.

I payed Alpha Protocol 5 €, 6 months after its delivery. 

Honestly it's pretty stupid to buy game at full price/release these day. And I preordered DA2 too... so, I'm one of those fool too (not because of the quality: it's only that it's allways more smart to wait some months and pay the game at least 50% less).

Modifié par FedericoV, 22 avril 2011 - 09:43 .

[Shadowbanner]

FedericoV wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Shadowbanner wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

In a year or so when the game is 5 euro in the discount bin.

The game is already selling at 12€ new with some retailers (play.com)

I am thinking that may be because some retailers are panicking. They probably ordered alot more than they can sell. Or they foolishly took the game back and gave their customers their money back.

Mind, price dropped very quickly with DA:O too. That's a current trend wit all games.

I bought Arkham Asylum (best game of 2009 imho) paying something like 10-15 euros only a few months after the release.

I payed Alpha Protocol 5 €, 6 months after its delivery. 

Honestly it's pretty stupid to buy game at full price/release these day. And I preordered DA2 too... so, I'm one of those fool too (not because of the quality: it's only that it's allways more smart to wait some months and pay the game at least 50% less).

Ha! I beat you! Na na na na.

Not only did I pre-order DA2 (facepalm), I pre-ordered the SE ediiton AND... I purchased the Collector's Strategy Guide at full price (double facepalm)! 63 pounds down the drain.

The strategy guide's price was cut in half only a week later...probably because it was selling so well to morons like me. My face = 

No one on these boards can beat my foolishness.

Modifié par Shadowbanner, 22 avril 2011 - 10:18 .

[DarthKaldriss]

So why should Bioware apologise for a game I and many others enjoyed ? Theres two sides to every coin you know.

[Iwasdrunkbro]

JasonPogo wrote...

Now I am not saying this game is the worst ever made and what not.  But I think at this point it is safe to asume that they succeded in pissing off most of their long time fans and brought in very few new ones.  At some point they will have to come out and say that yes this game did not performe as they wanted it to.  Just wondering how long that might take.

I just hope that time will coincide with DA3 if they make it.

Dont you understand? Those few people they brought in was worth pissing off 95% of their fan base. No need to admit anything.

[Seena]

infurious wrote...


This. If you order food from a place and its just plain bad (not what you expected), you'll either ask for replacement or leave the restaurant, and also one would expect some sort of aknowledgement from the owner. However, that is not how the business world works, so BW will only admit DA2s faults when marketing DA3.

DA2 is not a bad game but I have to say I felt duped, by the quality of the game and by having to pay extra $$ for content which was already done and should have shipped with the full game (the prince dlc).
Coming from a company that I respected this felt insulting for me, and probably to other people as well, so while BW might not "owe" apologies, asking for them is definetly justified.

Your analogy is inappropriate..    The entertainment industry - isn't the restaurant industry..   If you go to a movie and don't like it - you can't get your money back.   Same thing with a book. Or software. Or a cd.

Oh - and fyi - there are these things called restaurant reviews - so you can have an idea of where to eat out.

And honestly just because you didn't like the food - doesn't mean you're entitled to return it. Not imo. If there's something grossly wrong - yes, but you simply didn't find it perfect and ate it anyway?  Absolutely not.

And you MOST certainly - aren't "entitled" to an apology from the chef.

[Seena]

Iwasdrunkbro wrote...

JasonPogo wrote...

Now I am not saying this game is the worst ever made and what not.  But I think at this point it is safe to asume that they succeded in pissing off most of their long time fans and brought in very few new ones.  At some point they will have to come out and say that yes this game did not performe as they wanted it to.  Just wondering how long that might take.

I just hope that time will coincide with DA3 if they make it.

Dont you understand? Those few people they brought in was worth pissing off 95% of their fan base. No need to admit anything.

95%??  Care to back that up with some reliable evidence?

Or are you just throwing around numbers as most people do here?

[MorrigansLove]

Seena wrote...

Iwasdrunkbro wrote...

JasonPogo wrote...

Now I am not saying this game is the worst ever made and what not.  But I think at this point it is safe to asume that they succeded in pissing off most of their long time fans and brought in very few new ones.  At some point they will have to come out and say that yes this game did not performe as they wanted it to.  Just wondering how long that might take.

I just hope that time will coincide with DA3 if they make it.

Dont you understand? Those few people they brought in was worth pissing off 95% of their fan base. No need to admit anything.

95%??  Care to back that up with some reliable evidence?

Or are you just throwing around numbers as most people do here?

I'd say it was more 60/40, but that's really only my opinion.

[Iwasdrunkbro]

Seena wrote...

Iwasdrunkbro wrote...

JasonPogo wrote...

Now I am not saying this game is the worst ever made and what not.  But I think at this point it is safe to asume that they succeded in pissing off most of their long time fans and brought in very few new ones.  At some point they will have to come out and say that yes this game did not performe as they wanted it to.  Just wondering how long that might take.

I just hope that time will coincide with DA3 if they make it.

Dont you understand? Those few people they brought in was worth pissing off 95% of their fan base. No need to admit anything.

95%??  Care to back that up with some reliable evidence?

Or are you just throwing around numbers as most people do here?

Na Im just making up numbers at the moment. It does seem that the majority on these forums absolutely HATE this game though. But yes, throwing around numbers would be the answer to your question.

[Seena]

Radwar wrote...

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Cut the crap! People who have played Bioware games since Baldur's Gate usually know what to expect from Bioware, a game that's over the average in terms of quality. DA2 is not even close to being on par with the rest of  Bioware's games. People feel they got ripped off because they felt safe blindly buying a Bioware game because of the companies reputation. People aren't to blame, Bioware is for rushing the game, the overused dungeons and complete lack of NPC interactions are prime examples.

I'll state it again.  If you have VERY speciic expectations, and, the gaming industry being what is is - if you get your panties in a wad easily and have an easily bruised constitution - wait a month.

Or, grow up and accept the fact that your inability to delay gratification is *your* issue - not Bioware's.

So, they made a game that wasn't the best. The sun will rise, and set.  People will be born and people will die.

And Bioware will make another game for you to buy blindly and then blame them that you're unhappy.

disclaimer: I am NOT against people finding fault and expressing their dislike about the game.  Demanding apologies, demanding people be fired, taken off projects etc - is infantile.

Modifié par Seena, 22 avril 2011 - 12:43 .

[FedericoV]

Shadowbanner wrote...

Ha! I beat you! Na na na na.

Not only did I pre-order DA2 (facepalm), I pre-ordered the SE ediiton AND... I purchased the Collector's Strategy Guide at full price (double facepalm)! 63 pounds down the drain.

The strategy guide's price was cut in half only a week later...probably because it was selling so well to morons like me. My face = 

No one on these boards can beat my foolishness.

Well... since it's the moment of sincerity... I bought the guide/SE too . Well, the guide... that was a real waste of money on my part. It was even impossible to read untill I changed some of the files (I bought the digital version).

But personally I don't mind what I spent on the game. I made worst purchases at full price. Like NWN 2 Storm of Zehir, Empire Total War or Mafia II just to make a few examples (that were really BAAAAD game). Even The Witcher at release was a complete mess. But the DA2 guide... that  really sucks. I really regret having spent that money. 

[Seena]

Iwasdrunkbro wrote...


Na Im just making up numbers at the moment. It does seem that the majority on these forums absolutely HATE this game though. But yes, throwing around numbers would be the answer to your question.

And that is because people are FAR more likely to make a complaint - than say something nice. Also - the same people make the same complaint over and over and over  (it amazes me actually how devoted to 100% negativity some people are)    - so it seems like theres more individual complaints than there are.

How many copies of the game sold, a million +?

How many people are here ****ing -  we'll say 5000 just for arguments sake.

So that's 995,000 that didn't feel they had to come here and comment...

Modifié par Seena, 22 avril 2011 - 12:26 .

[Seena]

oops sorry double post

Modifié par Seena, 22 avril 2011 - 12:19 .

[Seena]

Sidney wrote...

Radwar wrote...

complete lack of NPC interactions are prime examples.

You aren't interacting with NPC's? Really? I was interacting with them....a lot. Not sure if you mean non-party members or your allies but I thought my ally interactions were quite good and plenty deep. I didn't feel like there was a notable lack of depth to anyone and certainly no one who I hated talking to like Oghren.

To be fair, there are a lot more NPC (non companion) interations in DAO.  Like the two Templars in Denerim, the Chanters, etc....

DA2 has them, but I'm pretty sure there are a lot less of them..

[TUHD]

Seena wrote...

Iwasdrunkbro wrote...


Na Im just making up numbers at the moment. It does seem that the majority on these forums absolutely HATE this game though. But yes, throwing around numbers would be the answer to your question.

And that is because people are FAR more likely to make a complaint - than say something nice. Also - the same people make the same complaint over and over and over - so it seems like theres more individual complaints than there are.

How many copies of the game sold, a million +?

How many people are here ****ing -  we'll say 5000 just for arguments sake.

So that's 995,000 that didn't feel they had to come here and comment...

Invalid argument... *facepalms* Consider also those thousands talking about DA2 at other boards, etc....

[Cipher1989]

If Bioware had three/four years developing time to make DA2, I think it will be much better game.

[Seena]

TUHD wrote...


Invalid argument... *facepalms* Consider also those thousands talking about DA2 at other boards, etc....

And I bet many of those people post here as well.

So, we'll increase the number to 100,000 complaining - that's still the VAST majority (900,000)   - that don't feel "ripped off" enough to post about it.

[Seena]

Cipher1989 wrote...

If Bioware had three/four years developing time to make DA2, I think it will be much better game.

I'm betting they realize that also.

But there are deadlines to meet and investors to answer to.

This seems to be the future of gaming....

[Cipher1989]

So in the end, EA.....

[T-0pel]

Seena wrote...

TUHD wrote...


Invalid argument... *facepalms* Consider also those thousands talking about DA2 at other boards, etc....

And I bet many of those people post here as well.

So, we'll increase the number to 100,000 complaining - that's still the VAST majority (900,000)   - that don't feel "ripped off" enough to post about it.

ROFL what kind of thinking is that?! So if there is a poll lets say for election and 2000 people like one candidate, you would say that population of the country is 10000000 people so that 9998000 like the other one? U have to base it on the people who were asked that question, or as in this case the people who wrote their opinion.
So if you say that 100000 people are complaining you have to base it against the number of people in all these forums, not against everyone who bought the game...
A lot of people wont voice their opinion even if it is a negative one, you cant just say "they dont feel ripped of enough to post it".