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[AkiKishi]

Morroian wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

DS3 is a hack and slash game , it's very different from what DA2 was pretending to be.
5 endings for a hack and slash is above and beyond. For a CRPG it would be an expectation.

That just says your opinion on what is a good game is based on your expectations. Why can't a good game just be a good game free of any expectations? If your willing to accept and enjoy the lack of customisation and tactical game play in DS3 why shouldn't you accept and enjoy how DA2 has changed over DAO.  

That assumes DA2 was good. It was not.

It's called truth in advertising. Look it up.

[G00N3R7883]

Based on my experiences with NWN2 (Awesome), MotB (Awesome), SoZ (boring), KOTOR2 (buggy unfinished mess), Alpha Protocol (buggy) and Fallout NV (buggy mess with the dullest main plot and characters in any RPG I've ever played) ... Obsidian need to stay away from Dragon Age, Mass Effect, Elder Scrolls, any of Valve's IPs, and any other games that I love. Dungeon Siege 3 is probably their last chance for me, and even then, I'm waiting at least a month for the inevitable patches before I even consider buying it.

I know its just a hypothetical question, but seriously, considering all the flames that Bioware have had for DA2, it was actually fairly good. Obsidian would have done a FAR worse job.

[GravityParade]

Obsidian is synonymous with quality in my opinion. I know everyone hates NWN2 because it wasn't what NWN 1 was, but in terms of single player campaign quality Obsidian is great. TBH they'd probably do a better job with DA than Bioware, not to take anything away from Bioware.

[In Exile]

Piercezoner wrote...

What the hell is wrong with the people who think NWN1 is better than 2?!

NWN1 may possibly have if not the worst single player campaign in cRPG history.

And i would rather have a buggy game that has great gameplay mechanics and writing over Bioware's buggy, lazy and uninspiring game which DA2 was. Obsidian actually releases patches and worthwhile DLC if they can. Not like Bioware's stance to patch to a certain point then quit like Origins and then release stuff like Witch Hunt and charge for in-game weapons and armor.

Again, have people played these games? I give credit to Obsidian for their ingenuity and design, but good (much less great) gameplay is not something they deliver on.

[Vilegrim]

Sen4lifE wrote...

What if Obsidian took over the Dragon Age series?

We'd get KotOR 2 again.

And if you don't happen to recall, Fallout: New Vegas was as bugged or even buggier on it's release.  KotOR 2 wasn't even finished.  It wasn't bad, but hardly compared to BioWare's representation of that era.

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thesuperdarkone wrote...

At least Obsidian doesn't
essentially ban anyone who tries to oppose their game. Not to mention
the fact that Obsidian at least gets patches out on time.

TL;DR?: You're argument is invalid.

KOTOR2 is a bad example, Lucas Arts forced a rushed finish and would not allow post release patching to  complete the missing sections. 

Obsidian tell a damn good story, and one that I am more than willing to put up with a buggy release for so I'd not mind at all. 

[element eater]

it would be more of an rpg and wouldn't have been streamlined to the same degree

[MorrigansLove]

Obsidian do tell a damn good story.

[Persephone]

MorrigansLove wrote...

Obsidian do tell a damn good story.

NWN2 sure didn't.

[mousestalker]

There would be a lot more bugs.

[Persephone]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

MorrigansLove wrote...

Obsidian do tell a damn good story.

NWN2 sure didn't.

Mask of The Betrayer

Expansions don't count.

Ok, they do. But the original NWN2 was Maker awful.

[MorrigansLove]

NWN2 was bad! DA2's release actually brought me back to the day NWN2 was released, I was so disappointed! I forgave Obsidian, though, when Mask of the Betrayer came out. Absolutely phenomenal expansion.

[Ariella]

GravityParade wrote...

Obsidian is synonymous with quality in my opinion. I know everyone hates NWN2 because it wasn't what NWN 1 was, but in terms of single player campaign quality Obsidian is great. TBH they'd probably do a better job with DA than Bioware, not to take anything away from Bioware.

I don't hate NWN2 for not being what NWN1 was. I don't hate NWN2 at all. Good story, With a couple of exceptions, I found the characters kind of flat, design of Neverwinter itself was nice. The PC faces were kind of generic as were the hairstyles. MotB was wonderful, best thing Obsidian has done to date, and SoZ was forgetable at best.

I doubt that Obsidian could do better on DA than Bioware as this is Bioware's baby.

[Ariella]

MorrigansLove wrote...

Obsidian do tell a damn good story.

SoZ had a story? I thought it was an economic sim set in the Realms

[Nerdage]

If Obsidian took over it would probably be more like Elder Scrolls, if Volvo took over it would probably have a comfy ride and a big boot, does it matter? Why would you want Bioware's games to be like Obsidian's when Obsidian already make their own games? Diversity for all!

[Ariella]

I just wish Obsidian would stop trying to be Black Isle and come up with their own IP. Don't try and relive the glory days, do something new... Or they could get JJ Abrams for the rights to a Fringe RPG.

Yes, I'm on a Fringe kick. I'd love to have an RPG of the show.

[Desnai]

In Exile wrote...

Piercezoner wrote...

What the hell is wrong with the people who think NWN1 is better than 2?!

NWN1 may possibly have if not the worst single player campaign in cRPG history.

And i would rather have a buggy game that has great gameplay mechanics and writing over Bioware's buggy, lazy and uninspiring game which DA2 was. Obsidian actually releases patches and worthwhile DLC if they can. Not like Bioware's stance to patch to a certain point then quit like Origins and then release stuff like Witch Hunt and charge for in-game weapons and armor.

Again, have people played these games? I give credit to Obsidian for their ingenuity and design, but good (much less great) gameplay is not something they deliver on.

Not to be a ******, but have you played those games? I think gameplay is something Obsidian does deliver on. I thought the soul mechanic in MoTB was brilliant, and I loved the multiple approaches allowed by Alpha Protocol, which was very much a create-your-own-adventure style game (Let's just ignore NWN1 for the moment. Hah!). The gameplay there was certainly more refreshing than I found DA2 or even DA:O (which I still lurve), certainly.

I understand the hate on buggy releases, but given the choice I would much rather play a game with great writing and bugs that may or may not be patched later than a game that is relatively more stable but with a phoned-in storyline (i.e. ditto to what Piercezoner said). Call me crazy.

Modifié par Desnai, 30 avril 2011 - 04:22 .

[steelfire_dragon]

take it over... no,

could they liscense it yes...

[miyagisan]

I just made a post in the constructive criticism thread, and I think, Obsidian would adress one of my complaints, that concerning the quality of story/drama. It would not adress my concerns regarding artistic production quality, because simply they lack the means.

[In Exile]

Desnai wrote...
Not to be a ******, but have you played those games? I think gameplay is something Obsidian does deliver on. I thought the soul mechanic in MoTB was brilliant, and I loved the multiple approaches allowed by Alpha Protocol, which was very much a create-your-own-adventure style game (Let's just ignore NWN1 for the moment. Hah!). The gameplay there was certainly more refreshing than I found DA2 or even DA:O (which I still lurve), certainly.

I've played all of Obsidian's games. NWN2 was not a particularly inspired game at all: they just executed D&D as best they could, which isn't good or bad. KoTOR II was KoTOR I with overpowered items.

Alpha Protocol was a mess. Not because the game was unstable, but rather because the abilities were broken, unbalanced, and to a large extent many builds were useless.

That's their only original release.

I understand the hate on buggy releases, but given the choice I would much rather play a game with great writing and bugs that may or may not be patched later than a game that is relatively more stable but with a phoned-in storyline (i.e. ditto to what Piercezoner said). Call me crazy.

I'd rather play a complete game, which is to say the story actually follows through to the end.

Alpha Protocol was great, and Mask of the Betrayer was very good (but I have to dock it points because it reclycled most of the themes from KoTOR II). NWN2 was crap, and SOZ barely had a story. New Vegas didn't have much of a story.

[Piercezoner]

NWN2 got really good once you had the stronghold. The King of Shadows had an interesting backstory that was mostly covered in text during quests and not in cut scenes so people who don't like to read kinda missed it.

[packardbell]

the only thing bad about obsedian is their Q/A team.. otherwise they are pretty good. not up to bioaware's standard, but better than bethesda anyway.

[22nd MadJack]

Well, it would be a CRPG, rather than an Action Game, with segregated roleplaying elements.  As many have said, it would lack in areas where Obsidian wouldn't have the balls to stand up to EA.  But considering DA2, BioWare appear to have been gelded in that area also.  So a ball'less Obsidian, or a gelded BioWare.  I'd have to go with Obsidian.

Modifié par 22nd MadJack, 30 avril 2011 - 03:13 .