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[Dubya75]

If Dragon Age ever uses the game game engine as the Fallout games then I will never touch it again.
Also, if David Gaider gets cut out of the picture then it will pretty much be the end.

[KLUME777]

Dubya75 wrote...

If Dragon Age ever uses the game game engine as the Fallout games then I will never touch it again.
Also, if David Gaider gets cut out of the picture then it will pretty much be the end.

Makes no sense, why would it have the Fallout engine. It would have the same engine as DAO or DA2. The David Gaider part is fair though.

[AlexXIV]

KLUME777 wrote...

Thats where i disagree, because KotOR 2 was one of my favourite games of all time, i must have played it too many times to count, close to 20 probably....and DA2 was simply unfun. So i don't see any comparison at all between KotOR 2 and DA2.

Well that's your opinion. Fact is that KotOR had horrible reviews and even more horrible sales. And accordingly next to no support after release. Most patches are fan made. It is a shame, KotOR/KotOR2 had probably the most loyal fanbase ever. I blame Lucasarts for it, like I blame Electronic Arts for DA2. Both companies should get stripped of the 'arts' in their company name. And btw I also liked KotOR2 better than KotOR up to the point you get near endgame where things just start to make less and less sense.

Btw. everytime Obsidian takes over other's franchise they also get all the material of the prior game. So in any way, be it NWN2, KotOR2, FONV, they did not build a game from scrap but used the ressources of the predecessor. Whether that's more difficult or easier I can't say, but I think there is more 'glory' in creating your own franchise. Like Bethesda and Bioware did.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 22 avril 2011 - 10:28 .

[AlexXIV]

Dubya75 wrote...

If Dragon Age ever uses the game game engine as the Fallout games then I will never touch it again.
Also, if David Gaider gets cut out of the picture then it will pretty much be the end.

If I am not all wrong ME2 does have 2 lead writers. If I recall the credits correctly. Not that DA needs two as well, but somehow feels like ME is working on a tad more ressources than DA. Also funny because the story of ME seems a tad simpler than of DA.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 22 avril 2011 - 10:31 .

[byzantine horse]

Neverwinter Nights 2 was a game I could never get into, I'd not want them to get hold of Dragon Age.

[MorrigansLove]

I agree with most of you on how the game would be a bug-ridden mess, but you've got to admit that the writing, dialogue and story would be miles ahead of anything Bioware could put out.

[elearon1]

FedericoV wrote...
Infact, I don't give all the blame to Obsidian too, but here I smell some hipocrisy or at least some case of double standard. Mind, I love Obsidian and I owe all their games. They are my second favourite RPG developer. But if Obsidian do not like the schedule that they agreed to work on in Kotor2, they could have make a step back and do not develop the game. You know, Obsidian games are not cheaper than Bioware ones.

Not sure where you think my hypocrisy is, considering I liked DA2 and haven't complained about it being rushed out ... some have, but that statement appears nowhere in my post.

As for forgiving Obsidian, from what I understood at the time, the company was originally being given whatever time they needed to design the game, then Lucas Arts came by and said "let's get this baby out for Christmas, no matter what!".  There was some discussion after release about how Obsidian had told Lucas Arts they needed another two months to finish - but LA saw the Christmas season as a cash opportunity and didn't care.
 
Neverwinter Nights  2 WAS much better than the OC of NWN, demonstrating that - again - Obsidian could take an established Bioware game and make it better with a sequel. (mind you, I hear the NWN2 toolset was somehow lacking, so the modding community that saved NWN never produced in the same level to support the second game ... too bad, too, considering how many years I got out of player mods for the first product)

But, that said, Obsidian still takes a back seat to Bioware in my opinion, so I'd prefer to see BW do its own sequels for as long as they could.

[elearon1]

MorrigansLove wrote...
but you've got to admit that the writing, dialogue and story would be miles ahead of anything Bioware could put out.

No.  I'd say they are about AS good as Bioware in these regards, but I'd not call them better.  As for bugs ... you know, I never experienced that many in my Obsidian games ... just as I was lucky enough to experience very few in DA2, so I can't really offer an opinion in that regard.  (in fact, in my experience I'd say games from neither company were any more bug ridden than the other ... or, for that matter, many releases from other companies)

[Nasabe]

I loved what Obsidian did with Mask of the Betrayer, and the idea about Obsidian making an expansion pack on Dragon Age is very intriguing.

But.. It seems Dragon Age is very personal for Bioware with no backdrop of D&D and other stuff. I am not sure if Obsidian can improve on it like they did with NWN2 or Fallout, those two games had already settled universes which were way older than Bioware. Dragon Age is Bioware's baby through and through, and it hasn't developed into a full fledged universe yet.

In a perfect world I would like to see Obsidian's game and character design choices with Bioware's writing and coding on top of em for Dragon Age. Only if we were in a perfect world =( Oh well.

[lobi]

Dragon Protocol anyone?

[Riloux]

It'd be better than letting Laidlaw take another shot.

[AkiKishi]

Lumikki wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

Lumikki wrote...

Interesting idea, but no, I don't think it would be better. I mean Kotor 1 was Biowares, but I don't think Kotor 2 was better.

KOTOR II was one of the great "what if" moments of gaming history. What is most telling is that even a half finished game compared favourably with a lot of people. Had KOTORII actually been allowed to ship with it's  intended ending who knows how things would have changed.

You mean Kotor II could have been good game, if THEY would have been enough time actually finish the game. How is DA2 different? I mean Kotor II had so many bugs that it was actually hard to play it. I ques they did not have time enough to polish the game. What's in DA2 is "polished" done, it's just lack of things, what's the problem. Like re-used maps and end of story is missing.

Well depending on who you choose to believe KOTOR II was cut to pieces because LA would not accept the very dark tone of the endgame. Nor would they extend the deadline.
If you google KOTORII cut content I'm in inclined to go with that theory.

[elearon1]

lobi wrote...

Dragon Protocol anyone?

Haven't played Alpha Protocal, so I can't say if that would be a good thing.  Thing is, Obsidian is really the "sequalizer" in the industry - they make many different types of games, based on what has come before.  So one can't really pin them down and say "these are the games they make" the way you can with Bioware, or any number of other studios.

I suspect, if Obsidian did take over and make DA3 it would look more like Origins, but with some upgrades.  The more I talk about it, the more exciting the idea actually seems ...  (though I have to agree with Nasabe, that DA seems like Bioware's baby right now, so I think it's too soon to be thinking about things like this)

Modifié par elearon1, 22 avril 2011 - 11:04 .

[AkiKishi]

If you can look beyond the bugs and the clunky out of date action, Alpha Protocol is very good. Choices really matter and change how each game plays out.

There is one bit in particular with a "teleporting" boss that should burn on the pyre of never do this again game elements. There are also cases where something should be dead (6 shots to the head will do that) but a script will take over and you will have a very angry something doing its "death state" powers on you and you will be on recharge.

I enjoyed AP far more than DA2 but could not say it was a better game.

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Modifié par BobSmith101, 22 avril 2011 - 11:23 .

[KLUME777]

AlexXIV wrote...

KLUME777 wrote...

Thats where i disagree, because KotOR 2 was one of my favourite games of all time, i must have played it too many times to count, close to 20 probably....and DA2 was simply unfun. So i don't see any comparison at all between KotOR 2 and DA2.

Well that's your opinion. Fact is that KotOR had horrible reviews and even more horrible sales. And accordingly next to no support after release. Most patches are fan made. It is a shame, KotOR/KotOR2 had probably the most loyal fanbase ever. I blame Lucasarts for it, like I blame Electronic Arts for DA2. Both companies should get stripped of the 'arts' in their company name. And btw I also liked KotOR2 better than KotOR up to the point you get near endgame where things just start to make less and less sense.

Btw. everytime Obsidian takes over other's franchise they also get all the material of the prior game. So in any way, be it NWN2, KotOR2, FONV, they did not build a game from scrap but used the ressources of the predecessor. Whether that's more difficult or easier I can't say, but I think there is more 'glory' in creating your own franchise. Like Bethesda and Bioware did.

I know that Obsidion gets a lot of undeserved bashing, but as i said, i don't care what others think, i personally have loved there games very much. And reviews are pretty BS, look at DA2, theres a lot of 9's and 10's, that is just not true. I blame Lucas Arts and EA as well (Lucas Arts is especially horrible, canceling games like Republic Commando, Jedi Knight, Empire at War, but forwarding crap like Force Unleashed?).

And I know that Obsidion gets all the prior material from the previous game. I just think there especially good at making sequals and having very engaging characters, story, role playing and dialogue while improving comat and replayability. Bugs are a very big problem, but i thought people overrated New Vegas's bugs actually. Fallout 3 GOTY PS3 version was actually far worse.

[Iwasdrunkbro]

they would actually make a game worth playing more than once?

[Lumikki]

BobSmith101 wrote...

If you can look beyond the bugs and the clunky out of date action, Alpha Protocol is very good.

Yeah, but this is the point, I hope you get it. I'm not talking the bugs or other stuff. I'm talking what you want to see as look beyond. If you don't want to look beyond, you take the bad attitude as hating, then that's all what you see "bad" game. How ever, if you take the effort look beyond, then why can't you do same for DA2. That's the point, you choose when you want to look beoynd and when not. Meaning you don't look all games with same equal ways. You deside when you want to bash game and when you defend. How ever, that also means you opinion is allways biased, not really how the games really are.

Exxample I had problem with playing Alpha protocol and Jade Empire, that doens't mean they are bad games and I should go they forum and bash the game. It just wasn't best game for me and thats all. This is because my taste of games, not because game it self. You can't look games like they all have to fit perfectly what you self like. If it doesn't fit, then lets go and bash it as bad game. You allways find reasons, because no game is ever perfect. We should not make assumption like if we don't like the game as it is, it's bad game and no-one else is allowed to like it.

I also left alot of "negative constructive" critism about DA2 in the sticky thread.

Modifié par Lumikki, 22 avril 2011 - 12:05 .

[TUHD]

Hm. Story would be better. Environments, depends on the specific employees then working on it. Bugs? Way more. ObsEnt is the king of releasing bug-ridden RPGs.

[FedericoV]

MorrigansLove wrote...

I agree with most of you on how the game would be a bug-ridden mess, but you've got to admit that the writing, dialogue and story would be miles ahead of anything Bioware could put out.

No, I don't agree. Just a different style. I like both but I do not see a superior one. 

[Iwasdrunkbro]

TUHD wrote...

Hm. Story would be better. Environments, depends on the specific employees then working on it. Bugs? Way more. ObsEnt is the king of releasing bug-ridden RPGs.

Lol bugs to the point of being unplayable for months after release. I still cant play New Vegas.

[AkiKishi]

Lumikki wrote...

BobSmith101 wrote...

If you can look beyond the bugs and the clunky out of date action, Alpha Protocol is very good.

Yeah, but this is the point, I hope you get it. I'm not talking the bugs or other stuff. I'm talking what you want to see as look beyond. If you don't want to look beyond, you take the bad attitude as hating, then that's all what you see "bad" game. How ever, if you take the effort look beyond, then why can't you do same for DA2. That's the point, you choose when you want to look beoynd and when not. Meaning you don't look all games with same equal ways. You deside when you want to bash game and when you defend. How ever, that also means you opinion is allways biased, not really how the games really are.

Exxample I had problem with playing Alpha protocol and Jade Empire, that doens't mean they are bad games and I should go they forum and bash the game. It just wasn't best game for me and thats all. This is because my taste of games, not because game it self. You can't look games like they all have to fit perfectly what you self like. If it doesn't fit, then lets go and bash it as bad game. You allways find reasons, because no game is ever perfect. We should not make assumption like if we don't like the game as it is, it's bad game and no-one else is allowed to like it.

I also left alot of "negative constructive" critism about DA2 in the sticky thread.

If you bought the game then you have every right to do that.

I'm saying I like Alpha Protocol , not that Alpha Protocol is a good game. I don't care if people like DA2 as long as they like it in spite of the flaws and don't try to convince people those flaws don't exist.

[JesterPsychotica]

MorrigansLove wrote...

What if Obsidian took over the Dragon Age series like they took over the Fallout series? Would you mind? Do you think it would be a better game than Dragon Age 2? What are your thoughts on this random topic of mine.

[ToJKa1]

MorrigansLove wrote...

What if Obsidian took over the Dragon Age series like they took over the Fallout series?

(and they didn't take over Fallout, Bethesda just allowed them to develop a spin-off).

[Khayness]

Awesome writing and no romances.

Chris Avellone is the Man.