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[Volus Warlord]

Title says it all.

TIM-the archtypical mastermind, extreme in some circumstances, but with pure desires and motives.

The one who brought Shepard brought back from the dead, and lead to his conquest of the Collecters.

And in ME3 he will be your sworn enemy.


For some time I wondered how TIM could take such a sharp turn. If you blew up the Collector base, pieces are understandable, but the details just don't line up. Why would TIM try to kill that which he spend so much to recreate? To destroy what he had so much faith in? If you kept the base, it makes no sense whatsoever.

Then the idea came up that Shepard will be Saren 2.0 in ME3- that he will negotiate and fight for the reapers, even if only in the very end, to ensure some limited survival of the human race or his loved ones. However, this isn't cliche enough for the ME universe.

So-the idea hit me-TIM will be Saren 2.0. While not a soldier, he certainly has the resources to help toss those damn turians into the fire of reapage while ensuring the survival of the human race-his true goal and aim. Sheperd, outraged with TIM's lack of ethics (paragon) and disrespect for Sheperd's crew (renegadish) , will himself declare TIM as his enemy, after turning down TIM's offer to join him.

Thoughts/comments?

[Dante Angelo]

I hope they give him a swirly moustache nothing's more evil than a swirly moustache well except for a top hat and a monocle

Modifié par Dante Angelo, 22 avril 2011 - 01:49 .

[Lieutenant Flashlight]

Edit: Nevermind.

Modifié par Lieutenant Flashlight, 22 avril 2011 - 01:51 .

[Volus Warlord]

mrsph wrote...

Sending children to biotic deathcamps isn't villainous enough for you?

He was not directly involved in that. Besides, the knowledge they were seeking could've been a huge asset to humanity.

This thread is about how Shepard and TIM will become enemies, not some self-righteous goodie two shoes nonsense like that.

[Seboist]

TIM will always be the savior of humanity in my eyes, no matter how much bioware tries to pigeon hole him into a cat stroking bond villain.

[thatguy212]

mrsph wrote...

Sending children to biotic deathcamps isn't villainous enough for you?

they weren't deathcamps, they were sent to be experimented on, dying was an unfortunate side effect

[Volus Warlord]

thurmanator692 wrote...


Retribution pretty much flat out says that TIM kills folks once he no longer needs them

A necessary precaution at times.  You cannot get too comfortable in an organization liek Cerberus.

Also, I am doing my very best to forget about anything and everything in those horrid comics.

[jeweledleah]

Cerberus was never good guys. TIM was never a good guy. from the very beginning, it was pretty obvious that TIM was manipulating, using Shepard. we just don't know exactly what his master plan was and is... yet.

but whatever it is I'm guessing, now that TIM has a better toy to play with, ie collector base, he doesn't need Shepard getting in his way, muddying things up.

destroying collector base and TIM's annoyance is self explanatory.

[Dave666]

They don't need to villanize The Incompetent Man, all they need to do is let us mention one single word...Akuze.

[Volus Warlord]

mrsph wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

He was not directly involved in that.

He funded it.

Running Cerberus is like running a multibilliondollar corporation. He does not always know what is going on everywhere,even if it is his money being spent. Add the whole "secretive" aspect and it becomes much harder.

[ReiSilver]

Seboist wrote...

TIM will always be the savior of humanity in my eyes, no matter how much bioware tries to pigeon hole him into a cat stroking bond villain.

Oh please, TiM/Cerberus is likely responsible for the most human death in Mass Effect second only to maybe the batarians
And he was villainous since ME1, ME2 is where they tried to make him look good.

[Volus Warlord]

ReiSilver wrote...

Seboist wrote...

TIM will always be the savior of humanity in my eyes, no matter how much bioware tries to pigeon hole him into a cat stroking bond villain.

Oh please, TiM/Cerberus is likely responsible for the most human death in Mass Effect second only to maybe the batarians
And he was villainous since ME1, ME2 is where they tried to make him look good.

*cough* anti-hero *cough*

He has good goals, his means are questionable at times.

[Volus Warlord]

mrsph wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

Running Cerberus is like running a multibilliondollar corporation. He does not always know what is going on everywhere,even if it is his money being spent. Add the whole "secretive" aspect and it becomes much harder.

This makes it so much more worse that it's funny. If he can't control his damn organization why am I helping him?

The Alliance can't control their organization by the same standards. Why work for them?

[Dave666]

Volus Warlord wrote...

mrsph wrote...

Volus Warlord wrote...

He was not directly involved in that.

He funded it.

Running Cerberus is like running a multibilliondollar corporation. He does not always know what is going on everywhere,even if it is his money being spent. Add the whole "secretive" aspect and it becomes much harder.

Er...what?

EDI tells us that Cerberus is actually quite small, never more than a dozen opperations at once.

How does this compare to a 'multibilliondollar corporation' with thousands of employees?  

As for The Incompetent Man not knowing what is going on in his own organisation...

Then perhaps he should limit it even further to no more than three at once?

Its simply staggering how many of these atrocities that Cerberus is responsible for are a result of a part going 'rogue'.

So either they weren't 'rogue' but The Incompetent Man is now claiming they were to look better in Shepards eyes, or he really is Incompetent and can't keep his house in order.  Either way he doesn't exactly look good.

Modifié par Dave666, 22 avril 2011 - 02:13 .

[Someone With Mass]

The leader of a terrorist organization turns out to be evil? Why wasn't I told?

[Volus Warlord]

mrsph wrote...


The alliance hasn't unleashed a computer virus that could destroy the galaxy before the Reapers.

Instead, they unleashed a Spectre who nearly initiated the Reaper invasion.

[Dave666]

Volus Warlord wrote...

mrsph wrote...


The alliance hasn't unleashed a computer virus that could destroy the galaxy before the Reapers.

Instead, they unleashed a Spectre who nearly initiated the Reaper invasion.

Really? Which Spectre is that?  Which Spectre did the ALLIANCE unleash?