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[CroGamer002]

Illusive Man doesn't care if Shepard died in SM and you kept base.
He just smiles and drinks at it.

[ExtremeOne]

Eudaemonium wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

Baihu1983 wrote...

He allways was a villian

  

If he was then what ME 2 all about then  

Deal with the Devil? Being forced to compromise your morals for the greater good? Working with the enemy (or an enemy)? There are lots of ways to read ME2 that have TIM as a villain still. He's just a villain you have a working relationship with, and he's just a villain, not the villain.

  




He may be the enemy but in a galatic war you need all the allies you can get .   Oh but thats right every freaking game has to end with you playing as the hero . No wonder movies are light years ahead of games in not every movie ends with the good guys winning . 

[GodWood]

Mesina2 wrote...
Illusive Man doesn't care if Shepard died in SM and you kept base.
He just smiles and drinks at it.

Eh, he looks kind of sad to me (for a moment at least)
Honestly though I wouldn't expect him to break down over it, the mission was a success and he secured a base full of technology to help against the Reapers.


I'd be pretty happy if I was him.

[Seboist]

GodWood wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...
Illusive Man doesn't care if Shepard died in SM and you kept base.
He just smiles and drinks at it.

Eh, he looks kind of sad to me (for a moment at least)
Honestly though I wouldn't expect him to break down over it, the mission was a success and he secured a base full of technology to help against the Reapers.


I'd be pretty happy if I was him.

He does look like he's shedding tears and has a bittersweat smile in that ending as opposed to the epic **** eating grin where the CB AND Shepard survive.

He clearly cares for Shep.

[000110011]

laecraft wrote...

This idea's been floating around. Personally, I like it very much. However, as someone mentioned, it's odd that galaxy would care about Shepard's reputation when the Reaper threat is proved and real. It's not the time to clear one's name: the time has come for action. And if the galaxy would hesistate to unite under Shepard's command only because of his association with Cerberus, then maybe the galaxy is too stupid to live.

Actually, after Arrival and everything, it's questionable whose reputation is more tainted - Shepard's or Cerberus. Maybe TIM is actually trying to clear Cerberus' name by disassociating himself from Shepard.

A valid point, it could easily be beneficial to both sides (though I rather thought ME2 existed to show us that a good portion of the galaxy might be too stupid to live without Shepard ). Though, come to think of it, with the Collectors taking out colonies in ME2 without warning being sent out, it's possible that the Reapers can pull off something similar, which might at least partially explain any reluctance to immediately jump on Shepard's bandwagon. Another thought, it's possible that Cerberus' past reputation isn't the only issue here: if TIM is planning something big and, ah...unpleasant, as he tends to do, to get rid of or slow down the Reapers, it might also be in their best interests to keep Shepard away from it (at least publically).

[Bailyn242]

 At this point I'm only at page 7 of this thread, I just wanted to get these ideas down before I kept reading.

On Cerberus ME1 edition (AKA Alliance Black Ops group)

We only know this theory on the strength of Kahoku's hunting them down. It wouldn't be a retcon if Kahoku didn't have the complete picture. We know from Miranda that they have a number of divisions including Military, Political and Scientific. Cerberus' military arm could be made up entirely of black projects within the Military and be perceived by Kahoku as Black Ops gone rogue. From the first novel post ME1 we see that Cerberus and TIM are quite a bit more than what Kahoku described.

ME2 The ultimate screw job... AKA I gotta work with WHO?!?!

Well, I could see someone with the type of connections that TIM has at the highest levels of the Alliance military and political branches using those connections to seed a particular lie to force someone to work with them. Remember, by the time Shepard wakes up on the station TIM has already informed the powers that be that Shep works for/with him. If you take the SR-2 to the Citadel as soon as you assume command they flat tell you this. Why would Cerberus use Shepard? Well, he's the only one with any record against the Reapers. He's also the only one that they can be sure would believe their theories about the relationship between the Collectors and the Reapers. That pump was already well primed. So now we've defeated the Collectors, screwed over TIM/Cerberus and in the porocess unshackled an AI that has ALL of those handy dandy little files on Cerberus.

ME3 and why TIM might turn on us... pure theory and blue sky on my part.

ME3 Starts with Shepard on Trial. I'm fairly certain that his work with Cerberus will be a part of the trial and the best way to deflect that line of prosecution is to look at them and hand over all the intel that you have gathered on Cerberus from the databases on Normandy as well as Projects Firewalker and Overlord. Reason one for TIM to get a rapid case of the ass about Shepard. Perhaps this intel might include more details about who and how the government is penetrated? Perhaps Miranda will add even more details like who her father was, his relationship to Cerberus and their actions against political leaders in the recent past. Namely Saracino the Putz himself actually getting into office.

Gotta get back to work for now but there are plenty of devices available to make this work without retcon glory. Just because we haven't seen the whole tapestry doesn't mean that there wasn't one from the start.

[Inquisitor Recon]

Unless it was a horrible mistake due to TIM's red-sand addicted son, all he has done is give me a reason to take his organization and run it myself. I really want that option in ME3.

[KnightofPhoenix]

ReconTeam wrote...

Unless it was a horrible mistake due to TIM's red-sand addicted son, all he has done is give me a reason to take his organization and run it myself. I really want that option in ME3.

Same, Arcturus Mengsk.

Imagine that + your friendly connection to Liara the Shadow Broker.

[Deganis76]

My theory, and it is pure speculation: The Illusive Man is indoctrinated. The irony of his situation, however, is that he has no idea that he is indoctrinated, just the opposite: he thinks he is working for the good of humanity by strengthening it to "stand alone." Cerberus is an inherently racist organization that drives a wedge between alliances with other races, thus aiding the Reapers. A very subtle manipulation, but plays into the Reapers plans: united the galaxy stands, divided it falls. TIM and Cerberus create division, in ME3 Shepard strives for unification...thus they become enemies once more.

Again, pure speculation on my part.

[Bailyn242]

ExtremeOne wrote...

Dave666 wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...
So are we really going to say the books and comics are cannon . 

 You might not like it, but Bioware says otherwise, just look at Liara, they changed her character between ME:1 and ME:2 and use a comic to explain why. (The ingame explanation we got was very flimsy).

  







Yeah thats true but I at least can still be a  renegade in 3 and I plan on being a pure renegade in it . yeah I will save the Earth and humanity  but the alliance crew members like ashley and kaiden and that guy Sanders will rot on the ship . in 3 . silience will be the way to say F U . 

I really have to ask, why even bother playing the game? You sound like the kid who took his ball and went home about 30 years ago now. I mean geesh, I can still hear the crying and the echo of his hands and feet striking the ground repeatedly because we wouldn't let him play QB.... idiot couldn't throw the ball past the line of scrimmage.

[xlI ReFLeX lIx]

My Shep and TIM have been enemies since the beginning of ME2.

[AngryFrozenWater]

There is no need to villainize TIM at all. He already was a villain.

[ExtremeOne]

They can make The Illusive Man a enemy but My Shepard has a new one and its The Alliance

[AngelicMachinery]

ExtremeOne wrote...

They can make The Illusive Man a enemy but My Shepard has a new one and its The Alliance

They're may be talimancers,  but you my friend are the first cerbamancer.  I salute you,  mister loves on bond villians guy.

Modifié par AngelicMachinery, 26 avril 2011 - 05:05 .

[ExtremeOne]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

They can make The Illusive Man a enemy but My Shepard has a new one and its The Alliance

They're may be talimancers,  but you my friend are the first cerbamancer.  I salute you,  mister loves on bond villians guy.

   





Thank you 

[Seboist]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

They can make The Illusive Man a enemy but My Shepard has a new one and its The Alliance

They're may be talimancers,  but you my friend are the first cerbamancer.  I salute you,  mister loves on bond villians guy.

Extreme, ain't the only one who's loyal to the three headed dog ya know.

[AngelicMachinery]

Seboist wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

ExtremeOne wrote...

They can make The Illusive Man a enemy but My Shepard has a new one and its The Alliance

They're may be talimancers,  but you my friend are the first cerbamancer.  I salute you,  mister loves on bond villians guy.

Extreme, ain't the only one who's loyal to the three headed dog ya know.

I'm sorry,  s/he is just so admant in it...  they kind of make everyone else look like candles in comparison to they're rage fueled cerberus sun.

Modifié par AngelicMachinery, 26 avril 2011 - 05:24 .

[Dave666]

Something odd occurred to me the the other day, but my net has been on the fritz, what if...

What if the reason that Cerberus is after you is because The Incompetent Man has been ousted?

Perhaps Indoctrinated members of Cerberus have overthrown The Incompetent Man and he's had to go on the run from them too?

The video at the end of Arrival (fail scenario) shows The Incompetent Man in person in the group with the rest of the squaddies when the Reapers are anihilating Illium. How would you feel if Cerberus was after you, but in exchange you got The Incompetent Man as a Squaddie? (Personally, I'd let him live on my first playthrough to see what happens then shoot him on sight every other playthrough).

[Xivai]

Indoctrination and reaper tech, good god he was touched in the head as a child or something to not stay away from dangerous technology.