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[AkiKishi]

Sabriana wrote...

Mercannis wrote...


Gaming is still a male dominated arena so why would publishers shoot themselves in the foot by reaching out to minorities ? Over the next 15 years this will probably evolve but for now things are the way they are.
Personally i never buy a game with a female on the front because it gives me the impression (rightly or wrongly) that it will appeal more to women. There are too many other games out there to choose from that such simple things can be a deciding factor in whether i buy it or not.

Yeah really. So I'm guessing that this:

Gender of Computer and Video Game Players [/b]



40% female, 60% male[/b]

                       


 Category:  Video Game Industry Stats



Description: No Description



Period: 2007



Source: Entertainment Software Association (ESA)



Publisher/Link: Entertainment Software Association (ESA)


Source: http://www.grabstats....asp?StatID=770


Is just a bunch of bull-crap. Silly people. 40 % is nothing. You hear? Nothing. Are they increasing since 2007? Yes, yes they are. But it still means nothing. Nope. Nothing at all. Out of one hundred potential customers, we'll just kick 40+ to the curb. Who needs us, anyway? We don't got no money, anyhow.

Those numbers are very different to MEs where 80% of people play male Shepard. I'm not disbuting the figures, but I'd question the distribution.

[Der Totmacher]

@ Filament, Cunnilingus, my dear boy. Look it up.

Modifié par Der Totmacher, 23 avril 2011 - 08:42 .

[Sabriana]

@ Bob

There are many women who play male characters. We have gotten used to it (Well, I never did, and I don't buy games that do not feature a gender choice), and quite a few prefer the "view" of a male character over watching the backside of a female character throughout the game.

Women are no longer few and far between consumers of video-games. It would be wise for all sellers to keep that in mind. The standard "We, the straight males, are the biggest and bestest customers, and therefore entitled to preferential treatment!" is no longer quite so easily applicable.

[AkiKishi]

Sabriana wrote...

@ Bob

There are many women who play male characters. We have gotten used to it (Well, I never did, and I don't buy games that do not feature a gender choice), and quite a few prefer the "view" of a male character over watching the backside of a female character throughout the game.

Women are no longer few and far between consumers of video-games. It would be wise for all sellers to keep that in mind. The standard "We, the straight males, are the biggest and bestest customers, and therefore entitled to preferential treatment!" is no longer quite so easily applicable.

And likewise there are many males who play female characters. And if we take the women playing males to be 20% why would a male character on the box matter to them anyway ?

In video games overall I'd agree, DS and Wii have vastly expanded the range of games to entice girls and women into a gaming. But  I have still seen little real evidence that the balance has changed much overall in certain genres.

[spacepopeadventures]

Sabriana wrote...

Women are no longer few and far between consumers of video-games. It would be wise for all sellers to keep that in mind. The standard "We, the straight males, are the biggest and bestest customers, and therefore entitled to preferential treatment!" is no longer quite so easily applicable.

This.

[Sabriana]

Well Bob, then we have different experiences. While my women friends do prefer the RPG genre in general over shooters/action/hybrids thereof, I don't know any who prefer the DS and/or Wii.

True, there are males that play female PCs. However by my observations, through reading and watching, there are far fewer males playing females than the other way around. Aside from that, males have been catered to for as long as games are around.

Why are you complaining that women are getting more and more interested in video games? I find it troubling that you regale women in general to a "kids" genre such as the DS and the Wii. The Wii does have other games, sure, but it doesn't cater to the XBox/PS3 audience, and is mostly known for Nintendo-centric characters. I find this a bit disturbing, tbh.

The male on the cover matters little to me. I'm used to being overlooked. Good training, I suppose. But I do resent my sex being held responsible for sales expectations not being met. Personally, I'd buy a game if I thought I'd enjoy it no matter who/what is on the cover. Perhaps I'm bit more open-minded than the "straight, white, male majority" gamer.

[Melca36]

Mercannis wrote...



I think it's pretty awesome, personally speaking.

I am certainly not opposed to having male protagonists on the cover.  No one gender is better than the other, and BioWare can put whoever they want on the cover.

But Priestly's comment that Jade Empire didn't sell well because there was a woman on the cover made me think, "WTF?"



Gaming is still a male dominated arena so why would publishers shoot themselves in the foot by reaching out to minorities ? Over the next 15 years this will probably evolve but for now things are the way they are.
Personally i never buy a game with a female on the front because it gives me the impression (rightly or wrongly) that it will appeal more to women. There are too many other games out there to choose from that such simple things can be a deciding factor in whether i buy it or not.

You need look up some data next time before your put your foot in your mouth.

More women play game then they did 10 years ago. I suggest you better get used to it! We are a growing demographic!

Is there a low saying women should not play videogames? Are we supposed to just stand around and watch moronic reality shows and serve our men snacks while they play games with their buddies?

This is 2011, not 1998.

If you have issues playing female characters or games featuring female characters thats due to insecurity on your part.

Modifié par Melca36, 23 avril 2011 - 09:48 .

[AkiKishi]

Sabriana wrote...

Well Bob, then we have different experiences. While my women friends do prefer the RPG genre in general over shooters/action/hybrids thereof, I don't know any who prefer the DS and/or Wii.

True, there are males that play female PCs. However by my observations, through reading and watching, there are far fewer males playing females than the other way around. Aside from that, males have been catered to for as long as games are around.

Why are you complaining that women are getting more and more interested in video games? I find it troubling that you regale women in general to a "kids" genre such as the DS and the Wii. The Wii does have other games, sure, but it doesn't cater to the XBox/PS3 audience, and is mostly known for Nintendo-centric characters. I find this a bit disturbing, tbh.

The male on the cover matters little to me. I'm used to being overlooked. Good training, I suppose. But I do resent my sex being held responsible for sales expectations not being met. Personally, I'd buy a game if I thought I'd enjoy it no matter who/what is on the cover. Perhaps I'm bit more open-minded than the "straight, white, male majority" gamer.

I'm not complaining at all , I'm just trying to rationalise the subject topic with the statistics. The reason I brought up the DS and Wii is because they do have "games for girls" as a catagory.And they market in that direction with the pink DS etc. I'm no more bothered playing Bayonetta than I am playing God of War so the protagonists gender is not really a factor for me.

Sales expectations not being met? Are you refering to Jade Empire there? 

[Melca36]

Sabriana wrote...

Mercannis wrote...


Gaming is still a male dominated arena so why would publishers shoot themselves in the foot by reaching out to minorities ? Over the next 15 years this will probably evolve but for now things are the way they are.
Personally i never buy a game with a female on the front because it gives me the impression (rightly or wrongly) that it will appeal more to women. There are too many other games out there to choose from that such simple things can be a deciding factor in whether i buy it or not.

Yeah really. So I'm guessing that this:

Gender of Computer and Video Game Players [/b]



40% female, 60% male[/b]

                       


 Category:  Video Game Industry Stats



Description: No Description



Period: 2007



Source: Entertainment Software Association (ESA)



Publisher/Link: Entertainment Software Association (ESA)


Source: http://www.grabstats....asp?StatID=770


Is just a bunch of bull-crap. Silly people. 40 % is nothing. You hear? Nothing. Are they increasing since 2007? Yes, yes they are. But it still means nothing. Nope. Nothing at all. Out of one hundred potential customers, we'll just kick 40+ to the curb. Who needs us, anyway? We don't got no money, anyhow.

Those stats have probably even changed since then.


Its probably 45% women...55% Men now


Men have issues with female gamers because they feel we are infringing on their territory.

Also I need to find the link....but gamers over 50 have doubled as well so now male gamers not only have to deal with women but old people!   Maker help them!!!

[Melca36]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

Well Bob, then we have different experiences. While my women friends do prefer the RPG genre in general over shooters/action/hybrids thereof, I don't know any who prefer the DS and/or Wii.

True, there are males that play female PCs. However by my observations, through reading and watching, there are far fewer males playing females than the other way around. Aside from that, males have been catered to for as long as games are around.

Why are you complaining that women are getting more and more interested in video games? I find it troubling that you regale women in general to a "kids" genre such as the DS and the Wii. The Wii does have other games, sure, but it doesn't cater to the XBox/PS3 audience, and is mostly known for Nintendo-centric characters. I find this a bit disturbing, tbh.

The male on the cover matters little to me. I'm used to being overlooked. Good training, I suppose. But I do resent my sex being held responsible for sales expectations not being met. Personally, I'd buy a game if I thought I'd enjoy it no matter who/what is on the cover. Perhaps I'm bit more open-minded than the "straight, white, male majority" gamer.

I'm not complaining at all , I'm just trying to rationalise the subject topic with the statistics. The reason I brought up the DS and Wii is because they do have "games for girls" as a catagory.And they market in that direction with the pink DS etc. I'm no more bothered playing Bayonetta than I am playing God of War so the protagonists gender is not really a factor for me.

Sales expectations not being met? Are you refering to Jade Empire there? 

9 out of 10 DS Games for women are completely moronic.

Cooking Mama? I know how to cook.

Fashion games?

[Mercannis]

[quote]Melca36 wrote...

[quote]Mercannis wrote...

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I think it's pretty awesome, personally speaking.

I am certainly not opposed to having male protagonists on the cover.  No one gender is better than the other, and BioWare can put whoever they want on the cover.

But Priestly's comment that Jade Empire didn't sell well because there was a woman on the cover made me think, "WTF?"
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Gaming is still a male dominated arena so why would publishers shoot themselves in the foot by reaching out to minorities ? Over the next 15 years this will probably evolve but for now things are the way they are.
Personally i never buy a game with a female on the front because it gives me the impression (rightly or wrongly) that it will appeal more to women. There are too many other games out there to choose from that such simple things can be a deciding factor in whether i buy it or not.

[/quote]

You need look up some data next time before your put your foot in your mouth.

What data? Are you referring to the statistics that were posted relating to the USA? The USA is not the whole world you know.


More women play game then they did 10 years ago. I suggest you better get used to it! We are a growing demographic!

I am well aware that more women play games nowadays, my own wife is an avid gamer but in my experience the fairer sex are still a minority.

Is there a low saying women should not play videogames? Are we supposed to just stand around and watch moronic reality shows and serve our men snacks while they play games with their buddies?

Climb down off your soapbox noone said you should be chained to the kitchen and be seen and not heard. Yanks bloody drama queens.

If you have issues playing female characters or games featuring female characters thats due to insecurity on your part.

Nope i just have zero interest in playing a woman as i am a man, its as simple as that.

[AkiKishi]

Melca36 wrote...
9 out of 10 DS Games for women are completely moronic.

Cooking Mama? I know how to cook.

Fashion games?

Hannah Montana, Wizards of Waverly Place etc. Disney Princess games, any of the movie tie ins like Tangled.

I'm not going to dispute the quality. But these are things that parents buy and they do expand the gaming market.

My personal experience is that a lot of women who stay at home and have kids play MMPORGs in the afternoons. How widespread that is , no idea. But I know about 10 of them from playing WoW.

Melca36 wrote...
Men have issues with female gamers because they feel we are infringing on their territory.

Maybe for  young men. But for every man who I know who games the "holy grail" has been a female gamer.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 23 avril 2011 - 09:59 .

[Sabriana]

BobSmith101 wrote...


I'm not complaining at all , I'm just trying to rationalise the subject topic with the statistics. The reason I brought up the DS and Wii is because they do have "games for girls" as a catagory.And they market in that direction with the pink DS etc. I'm no more bothered playing Bayonetta than I am playing God of War so the protagonists gender is not really a factor for me.

Sales expectations not being met? Are you refering to Jade Empire there? 

Oh, I guess we were talking past each other? I'm not sure how to say it in English. We were talking about a different point of concern, perhaps.

Honestly, the games geared toward girls and women don't appeal to neither my daughter, nor my women friends (or me, for that matter). However, that's simply a personal observation of my immediate social circle. The games that give gender choices have always been very well received. I've been a fan of Obsidian, Bethsoft, and Bioware for a long time, and I would not have been if they didn't allow me choosing my own gender.

I am so centered on those 3 *because* they have made it possible for me to choose, and they have been getting my fun-money at a steady rate, almost exclusively. I usually have to follow up on that aspect as well as the pure game quality aspect when companies other than the 3 mentioned are involved. Following up is no big deal, because it's easily gleaned by simple research. What I mean to emphasize is, I simply trust those 3 automatically to give me that choice without having to look it up.

Stats might mean little without proper context. They are simply numbers, and if the research method is not scientific, they are highly flexible to any kind of explanation/interpretation. However, the "straight, white, male gamer" better wake up and smell the coffee. They are simply not the "be all" anymore, and it erodes steadily.

And yes. I am indeed refering to "it didn't sell much because of the woman on the cover" silliness. Any man who uses that as an excuse to *not* buy a game comes across as a bit shallow and gender-biased. Oh noez! A woman on the cover! That simply must mean it's for girlz only, even though it's not stated anywhere! Ewww!

I don't know, but I usually research a game, and gender choice is often mentioned quite prominently.


Edited because spelling and typing seems to be incompatible

Modifié par Sabriana, 23 avril 2011 - 10:15 .

[AkiKishi]

Sabriana wrote...
And yes. I am indeed refering to "it didn't sell much because of the woman on the cover" silliness. Any man who uses that as an excuse to *not* buy a game comes across as a bit shallow and gender-biased. Oh noez! A woman on the cover! That simply must mean it's for girlz only, even though it's not stated anywhere! Ewww!

I don't know, but I usually research a game, and gender choice is often mentioned quite prominently.


Edited because spelling and typing seems to be incompatible

That's kind of up there with "Play the game on hard". Bioware does spout some silly stuff in an attempt to mitigate failure.

Lightning was on the front cover of FFXIII and FFXIII has sold around 6 million copies. FFXIII was also a game that disapointed in a similiar way to DA2 (although it's not buggy).

Modifié par BobSmith101, 23 avril 2011 - 10:30 .

[CaolIla]

I hope and guess the breed, that doesn't play a game with a female protagonist, because it features a female protagonist is dying out.
I even prefer playing female characters. Especially if you play a third person game for hours staring mainly on asses Oo
And since I don't degrade a human being I don't even have to feel bad for it

[Sabriana]

@ Bob

Yes, that is the same sweeping generalization that is neither thought through to recognizing the implications, nor researched.

It's not only "swooping" that's bad, "sweeping" is also bad. (Yes, I *am* ashamed of using that, but I couldn't resist )

@ Cao

I'm hoping that too, and I applaud your reasoning for choosing the female PC. I have a dear friend who uses that reasoning almost word for word (not in english though)

@ Blanchefleur

Now that's a good idea. They really should have done that, because imo, FemHawke rocks. I'm not sure about MHawke. Now I know Merrill didn't mean him, but I kind of agree with her "squirrel" analysis pertaining to bearding.

[Tommy6860]

Melca36 wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

Mercannis wrote...


Gaming is still a male dominated arena so why would publishers shoot themselves in the foot by reaching out to minorities ? Over the next 15 years this will probably evolve but for now things are the way they are.
Personally i never buy a game with a female on the front because it gives me the impression (rightly or wrongly) that it will appeal more to women. There are too many other games out there to choose from that such simple things can be a deciding factor in whether i buy it or not.

Yeah really. So I'm guessing that this:

Gender of Computer and Video Game Players [/b]



40% female, 60% male[/b]

                       


 Category:  Video Game Industry Stats



Description: No Description



Period: 2007



Source: Entertainment Software Association (ESA)



Publisher/Link: Entertainment Software Association (ESA)


Source: http://www.grabstats....asp?StatID=770


Is just a bunch of bull-crap. Silly people. 40 % is nothing. You hear? Nothing. Are they increasing since 2007? Yes, yes they are. But it still means nothing. Nope. Nothing at all. Out of one hundred potential customers, we'll just kick 40+ to the curb. Who needs us, anyway? We don't got no money, anyhow.

Those stats have probably even changed since then.


Its probably 45% women...55% Men now


Men have issues with female gamers because they feel we are infringing on their territory.

Also I need to find the link....but gamers over 50 have doubled as well so now male gamers not only have to deal with women but old people!   Maker help them!!!

Don't you think you're making a sweeping generalization of men there? Are there some men that *may* feel that way? I am sure there are, no less than there *may* be some to the opposite degree.

I have been gaming for over 35 years and I have gamed on consoles and PCs for most of the past twenty+ years. I can honestly say that where most men (or boys) have their preferences when it comes to a large majority, is more to a certain genre of games, than being gender dominated as a whole across all game types. Shooters (especially multi-player) for example would be safe to say that an 80%+ of that gaming genre would be by males. Racing sims as well, but maybe not that much. I used to play shooter MPs a great deal and rarely saw a female in the mix since the advent of in-game chat among team mates. Playing Fable II though, it was nearly even. I guess you can see the difference right there with Fable II, since it is a fantasy action adventure game.

Where the line gets drawn is where fantasy games come into play like in MMOs, where WoW type gamers are going to be about even, maybe even more to the female side, that's simply a guess from my exerience in many gaming forums, I have no interest in MMOs, not sure if I ever will. RPGs are about even I would think. When someone talks about all game genres combined, it certainly will be among men overall as the higher percentage considering shooter make up more than 60% of the games sold. But if you go simply by this forum and take a count of the DA gamers, it is clear to see that it is nearly even.

While I could care less about the gender representation on the packaging of a game, it is what I expect from the game that matters to me. I will admit though, I would be more intrigued seeing the female on the cover, it would get my attention since it is rare to see, so mayne there is a good marketing strategy there, for certain genres.. I say that because I used to love action/fighting games, like DMC, Ninja Gaiden, GOW, etc,but they have been historically all male characters and I gave up on them. Then a gem like Bayonetta comes along, I play the demo, I see the cover, and I am sold. Best action game I have ever played, hands down.

The only way to measure is by preference among demographics. I see females players wanting a more involved game with deep characters, whereas the COD type player cannot be bothered unless they can jump right into nothing but endless action, I am not the COD player, and thoug  I played shooters, fantasy games and especailly RPGs have always been my first love.. There is that mix that exist where you will find that person who loves shooters and RPGs equally, but they are not common.

[jaikss]

Such an enlightening thread.I had absolutely no idea how troubled I am by female gamers until I read it.You really do learn something new everyday it seems.

Melca36 wrote...

If you have issues playing female characters or games featuring female characters thats due to insecurity on your part.

So,purely out of curiosity,does this piece of insight apply to women who do not like playing a male character,or is this a male only phenomena?

Modifié par jaikss, 23 avril 2011 - 02:42 .

[InvaderErl]

Most of the female statistic in that percentage is due to the rise of CASUAL games, things like Bejeweled and the Sims. The hardcore gaming market is still very much male dominated.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 23 avril 2011 - 02:36 .

[Huntress]

jaikss wrote...

Such an enlightening thread.I had absolutely no idea how troubled I am by female gamers until I read it.You really do learn something new everyday it seems.

Melca36 wrote...

If you have issues playing female characters or games featuring female characters thats due to insecurity on your part.

So,purely out of curiosity,does this piece of insight apply to women who do not like playing a male character,or is this a male only phenomena?

I suppose rofl, i am insecure now!! /run to the hills! shirtless man waiting on the other side! yum yum..

[AkiKishi]

This one one may prove or disprove the OP's theory.

What I think is better about this one is at first glance you don't notice the glass,then when you zoom in your notice that things are going on inside the shards. It made me want to zoom in. Or if it was on a shelf pick it up and have a closer look.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 23 avril 2011 - 03:47 .

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

MingWolf wrote...

Perhaps they would have done better with FemHawke. *chuckles*

As long as it doesn't show her running

[Merci357]

Shinian2 wrote...

MingWolf wrote...

Perhaps they would have done better with FemHawke. *chuckles*

As long as it doesn't show her running

Her idle animation isn't any better.