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[The Angry One]

I agree with OP 110% percent, enough with horrid beard men and Dutch male models for that matter!

BobSmith101 wrote...

This one one may prove or disprove the OP's theory.

What I think is better about this one is at first glance you don't notice the glass,then when you zoom in your notice that things are going on inside the shards. It made me want to zoom in. Or if it was on a shelf pick it up and have a closer look.

Irrelevant really, since in that Deus Ex game you can only play as that guy. Because adding teh girl would be too much work don't you know!
Which is why I won't buy it.

[AkiKishi]

The Angry One wrote...
Irrelevant really, since in that Deus Ex game you can only play as that guy. Because adding teh girl would be too much work don't you know!
Which is why I won't buy it.

Works fine. Even if it's true that you can only play as that guy, it gives the same impression as the DA2 cover (although in that case it's misleading).

If HR sells well despite having a bearded guy on the cover, then we have to look elsewhere for why DA2 did not sell.

Flip side of that



Which has a woman on the cover has sold around 6 million.

I'd have had a closer look at that because she's kinda hot.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 23 avril 2011 - 04:17 .

[Elcariel]

Filament wrote...

Okay I give up, what's so funny about "Avaline is Hawks beard?"

Hawksbeard is a type of plant...

Der Totmacher wrote...

@ Filament, Cunnilingus, my dear boy. Look it up.

Actually, I think the joke was about *this* kind of beard.

Especially since Avaline isn't romanceable.

Modifié par Elcariel, 23 avril 2011 - 04:19 .

[Cyberstrike nTo]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Sabriana wrote...

@ Bob

There are many women who play male characters. We have gotten used to it (Well, I never did, and I don't buy games that do not feature a gender choice), and quite a few prefer the "view" of a male character over watching the backside of a female character throughout the game.

Women are no longer few and far between consumers of video-games. It would be wise for all sellers to keep that in mind. The standard "We, the straight males, are the biggest and bestest customers, and therefore entitled to preferential treatment!" is no longer quite so easily applicable.

And likewise there are many males who play female characters. And if we take the women playing males to be 20% why would a male character on the box matter to them anyway ?

In video games overall I'd agree, DS and Wii have vastly expanded the range of games to entice girls and women into a gaming. But  I have still seen little real evidence that the balance has changed much overall in certain genres.

I'm a straight man and given the choice between a male character and a female character in any video game (Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age II, Mass Effect 1, Mass Effect 2, Jade Empire, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion, Fallout 3, Fable II, Fable III and so on and so forth) I always go to the female character. I don't why I just do.

The only time I that I play as a male character is too get an achievement/or trophy that requires me to play as a male character such as the DA:O "Witch Gone Wild" achievement/trophy for sleeping with Morrigan which was so easy because I got her into bed the first time in camp and had no further use for the male character so I deleted the character. 

I played 3 times as a male Shepard in Mass Effect 1 and imported them into Mass Effect 2 and I have no desire to play as a male Shepard in Mass Effect 3. 

I played one male character through all of Dragon Age: Origins and also in Awaking, The Golems of Amgarrak, and Witch Hunt and it was a miserable experience for me,

I tried a male Hawke, in Dragon Age II but got as far the Gallows in the prologue before I deleted the character, the same with Fable III never made it past the prologue.

I tried a male character in Fable II but once I bought the castle and drunk the sex-change potion and I never bothered with another male character again.

 I never bothered with male characters in Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, Jade, Empire, Oblivion or Fallout 3.  

Modifié par Cyberstrike nTo, 23 avril 2011 - 04:24 .

[Elcariel]

But Priestly's comment that Jade Empire didn't sell well because there was a woman on the cover made me think, "WTF?"

What I find interesting about that logic is that in the magazine business, it's a truism that sales go down when there's a man on the cover of a magazine. Among both male and female buyers. So it's weird that it would be totally opposite for games.

[The Angry One]

Elcariel wrote...

But Priestly's comment that Jade Empire didn't sell well because there was a woman on the cover made me think, "WTF?"

What I find interesting about that logic is that in the magazine business, it's a truism that sales go down when there's a man on the cover of a magazine. Among both male and female buyers. So it's weird that it would be totally opposite for games.

That's because it isn't, Priestly's just coming up with silly excuses for why they put their male posterboys on the cover.
Real reason? The marketing department paid a lot of money to male models to use their image, because they think male gamers are all that matter.
The marketing department are stupid that way.

[nightscrawl]

CaptainBlackGold wrote...

lobi wrote...

Avaline is Hawks Beard.

It is unconscionable that in a humor thread, this brilliant comment went without acknowled appreciation.

It was clever, hilarious - best one so far - and won my coveted "Spurt Coffee Out My Nose" award.

Did others just not get the joke here?

I laughed in real life, does that count?

As far as the topic of male vs female cover art: although the OP was meant as a joke, when info was initially released about DA2, I did think that Hawke was just going to be this guy, and I was wary of buying the game. Then as I learned more those worries were gone.

I don't see why they couldn't have done a male/female combo cover though, have a wide image that stretched around the back showing femHawke, or even a reversable cover where half of those on the shelves were female and the others male.

Modifié par nightscrawl, 23 avril 2011 - 04:36 .

[Merci357]

The Angry One wrote...

Elcariel wrote...

But Priestly's comment that Jade Empire didn't sell well because there was a woman on the cover made me think, "WTF?"

What I find interesting about that logic is that in the magazine business, it's a truism that sales go down when there's a man on the cover of a magazine. Among both male and female buyers. So it's weird that it would be totally opposite for games.

That's because it isn't, Priestly's just coming up with silly excuses for why they put their male posterboys on the cover.
Real reason? The marketing department paid a lot of money to male models to use their image, because they think male gamers are all that matter.
The marketing department are stupid that way.

There are plenty of books, movies, and of course games with females on the cover that sell very well. But, of course, BioWare is the only exception to this.

[Elcariel]

The only reason I *ever* play male characters is when I have no other option, or to romance female characters who are unaccountably straight. I'm looking at you, Jack.

Male box art doesn't actually turn me off, but it'll never inspire me to pick it up, either.

[The Angry One]

Merci357 wrote...

There are plenty of books, movies, and of course games with females on the cover that sell very well. But, of course, BioWare is the only exception to this.

Not even BioWare. Most releases of NWN have Aribeth on the cover, and that sold pretty well.
The reason Jade Empire never sold well is that, let's face it, it's fairly mediocre by BioWare standards. It's a good game but not especially deep.

Modifié par The Angry One, 23 avril 2011 - 04:42 .

[InvaderErl]

Which, just putting it out there Laidlaw also made - which I think has more to do with how DA2 turned out than whoever is on the cover.

Modifié par InvaderErl, 23 avril 2011 - 05:04 .

[Hadea]

Why not appeal to the entire gaming population with a gender nuetral cover? Does the protagonist even need to be featured on the cover, especially since players can customize him/her anyway? It makes me wonder if a "default" Hawke or Shepard is even necessary.

[The Angry One]

Hadea wrote...

Why not appeal to the entire gaming population with a gender nuetral cover? Does the protagonist even need to be featured on the cover, especially since players can customize him/her anyway? It makes me wonder if a "default" Hawke or Shepard is even necessary.

For all their flaws this is what Bethesda and Obsidian among others have done, and it's never affected their sales.
The minimalist covers for their TES games have always been appealing.

[Persephone]

The Angry One wrote...

Hadea wrote...

Why not appeal to the entire gaming population with a gender nuetral cover? Does the protagonist even need to be featured on the cover, especially since players can customize him/her anyway? It makes me wonder if a "default" Hawke or Shepard is even necessary.

For all their flaws this is what Bethesda and Obsidian among others have done, and it's never affected their sales.
The minimalist covers for their TES games have always been appealing.

This, oh, so MUCH this! *Gazes fondly at her GOTY Edition of Morrowind*

[Hadea]

The Angry One wrote...

Hadea wrote...

Why not appeal to the entire gaming population with a gender nuetral cover? Does the protagonist even need to be featured on the cover, especially since players can customize him/her anyway? It makes me wonder if a "default" Hawke or Shepard is even necessary.

For all their flaws this is what Bethesda and Obsidian among others have done, and it's never affected their sales.
The minimalist covers for their TES games have always been appealing.

Exactly.  Those were just the games I had in mind.  Of course, a lot of games I buy are from recommendations from
friends and relatives, so the cover doesn't really come in to consideration for me.

Edit: formatting

Modifié par Hadea, 23 avril 2011 - 05:50 .

[Hadea]

Sometimes I think the simplest option is the best option. If they want an iconic and recognizable image for their game, the red dragon is certainly it! I mean, it's called Dragon Age, for pete's sake, make it about the dragon!

[Hadea]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Hadea wrote...

Sometimes I think the simplest option is the best option. If they want an iconic and recognizable image for their game, the red dragon is certainly it! I mean, it's called Dragon Age, for pete's sake, make it about the dragon!

This, please!

Maybe we should start a support group for the Red Dragon! 

[Persephone]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

Hadea wrote...

Sometimes I think the simplest option is the best option. If they want an iconic and recognizable image for their game, the red dragon is certainly it! I mean, it's called Dragon Age, for pete's sake, make it about the dragon!

This, please!

Seconded!! Er...Thirded.

[AkiKishi]

Alistairlover94 wrote...

I cannot understand why BioWare didn't just have the blood-red dragon on the cover, and not include BeardHawke.

And for that matter, why not just have the Normandy on the cover for all the ME games.

Because the Hawke on the cover and the one used in the advertising are connected. Same deal with FFXIII and having Lightning on the box cover.

Elder Scrolls being primarily first person it's not done in the same way.

You could just use the blood dragon, but again that does not connect with the wider advertising in anyway.

Modifié par BobSmith101, 23 avril 2011 - 06:09 .

[HTTP 404]

I opened this thread to see if this is "oh no, another rant" but I am pleasantly surprised by OP humor.

I think whether you liked DA2 or hated DA2, people should lighten up a bit around here.

[Hadea]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Alistairlover94 wrote...

I cannot understand why BioWare didn't just have the blood-red dragon on the cover, and not include BeardHawke.

And for that matter, why not just have the Normandy on the cover for all the ME games.

Because the Hawke on the cover and the one used in the advertising are connected. Same deal with FFXIII and having Lightning on the box cover.

Elder Scrolls being primarily first person it's not done in the same way.

Does a cover absolutely have to connect to the trailer/advertising?  The GTA series have set protaganists, yet they don't feature them on their covers. 

edit: correction

Modifié par Hadea, 23 avril 2011 - 06:21 .

[Tommy6860]

BobSmith101 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...
Irrelevant really, since in that Deus Ex game you can only play as that guy. Because adding teh girl would be too much work don't you know!
Which is why I won't buy it.

Works fine. Even if it's true that you can only play as that guy, it gives the same impression as the DA2 cover (although in that case it's misleading).

If HR sells well despite having a bearded guy on the cover, then we have to look elsewhere for why DA2 did not sell.

Flip side of that



Which has a woman on the cover has sold around 6 million.

I'd have had a closer look at that because she's kinda hot.

Keep in mind, that game is a JARPG and the Japanese more than most, use female characters a great deal and are known for androgynous male characters as well.

[Tommy6860]

Persephone wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Hadea wrote...

Why not appeal to the entire gaming population with a gender nuetral cover? Does the protagonist even need to be featured on the cover, especially since players can customize him/her anyway? It makes me wonder if a "default" Hawke or Shepard is even necessary.

For all their flaws this is what Bethesda and Obsidian among others have done, and it's never affected their sales.
The minimalist covers for their TES games have always been appealing.

This, oh, so MUCH this! *Gazes fondly at her GOTY Edition of Morrowind*

IMO, the best ES game of them all.