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[xkg]

Ixalmaris wrote...

xkg wrote...


Ok, ok. Im not trying to defend DA2 but all that SHIPPED thing is just nonsense.

Just look here :

BioWare today confirmed Dragon Age II has sold - not shipped - over 1 million copies worldwide in less than two weeks

Coincidentally, that announcment matched the CG chartz numbers quite closely when you add some sales through steam.
So those numbers are not too far off.

Yes i know. But my point was - they have "SOLD" 1 million and whole "SHIPPED" thing is just a myth

[randName]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

randName wrote...

Looking good there ~ just those nostalgic BG2/DA:O gamers that aren't getting it.

This.  Should be the last release where we have to deal with them though, since they won't have any interest in future RPGs.

Ah, you know that I was going for sarcasm right? for obviously the sales aren't really good.

[TJSolo]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

randName wrote...

Looking good there ~ just those nostalgic BG2/DA:O gamers that aren't getting it.

This.  Should be the last release where we have to deal with them though, since they won't have any interest in future RPGs.

Brilliant!!! Even less sales for future RPG™s.

[WilliamShatner]

Looking good there ~ just those nostalgic BG2/DA:O gamers that aren't getting it.

Nostalgia? DA:O has been out for less than two years! What are you, a gnat?

[dheer]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

randName wrote...

Looking good there ~ just those nostalgic BG2/DA:O gamers that aren't getting it.

This.  Should be the last release where we have to deal with them though, since they won't have any interest in future RPGs.

Pike it, Trollberry.

[kingjezza]

If the numbers were too far off and DA2 was selling well I imagine Bioware would be on here telling us about it.

The game (PC version) was £9.99 a couple of days ago on amazon (£12.99 now I think) and they're offering ME2 free with it so I think it's pretty safe to assume sales are pretty bad, it's not a surprise though, as word of mouth got around and more negative reviews appeared the game was always likely to take a dive in sales.

I think it's fairly obvious to see why they were so desperate for those pre-order sales now.

[randName]

WilliamShatner wrote...

Looking good there ~ just those nostalgic BG2/DA:O gamers that aren't getting it.

Nostalgia? DA:O has been out for less than two years! What are you, a gnat?

~

Modifié par randName, 22 avril 2011 - 05:54 .

[daemon1129]

If DA2 is selling as expected or even better, they would be milking this as much as possible. A DLC would have been announced, there are no way in hell will they ever give a game for free, and the price will not drop until maybe after week 10 and beyond.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

TJSolo wrote...

Brilliant!!! Even less sales for future RPG™s.

Perhaps, but when forced to choose between the crowd that wants only recylced AD&D tropes and the crowd that enjoys new takes, the trope crowd is smaller.  By default, new players aren't in the Moar Tropes crowd.   :P:P

[TJSolo]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

Brilliant!!! Even less sales for future RPG™s.

Perhaps, but when forced to choose between the crowd that wants only recylced AD&D tropes and the crowd that enjoys new takes, the trope crowd is smaller.  By default, new players aren't in the Moar Tropes crowd.   :P:P

That assumes DnD tropes are worse than any other trope and ignores the fact that any story-telling technique used more than once becomes a trope.

Making less money to spite a certain kind of fan is damned stupid.

Modifié par TJSolo, 22 avril 2011 - 05:59 .

[randName]

kingjezza wrote...

If the numbers were too far off and DA2 was selling well I imagine Bioware would be on here telling us about it.

The game (PC version) was £9.99 a couple of days ago on amazon (£12.99 now I think) and they're offering ME2 free with it so I think it's pretty safe to assume sales are pretty bad, it's not a surprise though, as word of mouth got around and more negative reviews appeared the game was always likely to take a dive in sales.

I think it's fairly obvious to see why they were so desperate for those pre-order sales now.

Were they really more desperate with DA2 over DA:O for preorders? There seemed to be as much in the way of trinkets and extras for DA:O and there was more in the way of DLCs, esp. since Shale was for everyone and not just for those that ordered the CE edition (I didn't for one).


The price does show that they are getting desperate, and the game is almost heading towards flat lining it if this keeps up (it obviously won't, but figuratively it almost already have).

But seriosuly now; I can't but help to smile at it, for it's good to know that quality does sell, and lowering the lowest common denominator even further always works out, for just look at those sales!

Modifié par randName, 22 avril 2011 - 06:01 .

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

TJSolo wrote...

That assumes DnD tropes are worse than any other trope and ignores the fact that any story-telling technique used more than once becomes a trope.

Making less money to spite a certain kind of fan is damned stupid.

It's not an assumption, it's a fact.  D&D tropes are worse than any other tropes.  I disagree with your definition of tropes as well.  You can use a technique several times, it's when it's done to death it becomes a trope. 

Based on the conditions you put forward "less sales by appealing to new players," the better choice is to aim for the pool of new players--- they aren't caught up in having BG and NWN recycled and won't fill the forum with doom and gloom when they don't get their way.

:wizard:

[xkg]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

That assumes DnD tropes are worse than any other trope and ignores the fact that any story-telling technique used more than once becomes a trope.

Making less money to spite a certain kind of fan is damned stupid.

It's not an assumption, it's a fact.  D&D tropes are worse than any other tropes.  I disagree with your definition of tropes as well.  You can use a technique several times, it's when it's done to death it becomes a trope. 

Based on the conditions you put forward "less sales by appealing to new players," the better choice is to aim for the pool of new players--- they aren't caught up in having BG and NWN recycled and won't fill the forum with doom and gloom when they don't get their way.

:wizard:

[TJSolo]

It's not an assumption, it's a fact. D&D tropes are worse than any other tropes. I disagree with your definition of tropes as well. You can use a technique several times, it's when it's done to death it becomes a trope.

Your assumption is pure opinion, not fact.The definition I used is just one of a few ways a person can define a trope. No doubt that techniques that are overused can be cliche but it is not the sole way for a trope to be born.

Based on the conditions you put forward "less sales by appealing to new players," the better choice is to aim for the pool of new players--- they aren't caught up in having BG and NWN recycled and won't fill the forum with doom and gloom when they don't get their way.

My remark says nothing of the sort. The one advocating for the lose of customers and the money they provide is you.

[aphelion002]

Persephone wrote...

LyndseyCousland wrote...

So where are people getting these numbers if BioWare hasn't released them officially?
Internet, you confuse me!

Estimates based on checking retailers' charts and numbers etc. Highly inaccurate at times.

I'm willing to trust that they are not off by an order of magnitude, using the same methodology.

[Nintendo_Wii]

If they make Dragon Age 3 more like Zelda: Skyward Sword..they will have sales in the eight digit range.

[erynnar]

TJSolo wrote...

It's not an assumption, it's a fact. D&D tropes are worse than any other tropes. I disagree with your definition of tropes as well. You can use a technique several times, it's when it's done to death it becomes a trope.

Your assumption is pure opinion, not fact.The definition I used is just one of a few ways a person can define a trope. No doubt that techniques that are overused can be cliche but it is not the sole way for a trope to be born.

Based on the conditions you put forward "less sales by appealing to new players," the better choice is to aim for the pool of new players--- they aren't caught up in having BG and NWN recycled and won't fill the forum with doom and gloom when they don't get their way.

My remark says nothing of the sort. The one advocating for the lose of customers and the money they provide is you.

Oh TJ, there's a bridge that's missing him...don't bother. ROFL!

[Ohiodruid]

Persephone wrote...

LyndseyCousland wrote...

Genuine query, where can we get reliable figures?

Bioware headquarters.

Unless they release some, all of this is guess work at best.

You can look at the same figures for DA:O, and DA2 sold far fewer copies.  Total sales may be hard to estimate - but you can get at trends pretty reliably.  DA:O had surprising resilience in sales, the equivalent of a movie with good word-of-mouth; DA2 is fading much, much faster.  I think it's useful to anchor discussions in objective criteria - it's dangerous to dismiss data contrary to your wishes.

[bjdbwea]

If those sales numbers are correct, then I am glad that apparently many gamers refused to support the changes that BioWare and EA introduced in the DA series first with Awakening, and then even more so with DA 2. Once the price drops significantly, I might even buy DA 2. If others will do the same, the sales numbers might rise quite a bit still. But of course not with much profit for EA. But it was their own decision not to produce a proper continuation of DA, nor a proper RPG in general. Perhaps, and hopefully, ME 3 and DA 3 will be more like the games that BioWare used to create, then I am very sure that the sales numbers will return to much better values.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 22 avril 2011 - 07:03 .

[Fallstar]

SoulRebel_1979 wrote...

Guldor wrote...

Here are the new sales numbers for DA2:

PS3 http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/
360 http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/
PC http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/


The only reason I can see these numbers staying the same from week 5 for this garbage game is the recent price drops. People who were not sure to pay 60,50,40,30$ can now pay 10$ (on the PC anyways) and "try" it out.

Hurry to trade it in at your local game store before your trade-in value drops to nothing!

EDITED:

Hey Laidlaw, here are the numbers for CoD week 10:

http://gamrreview.vg...duty-black-ops/


Which fans are you going to try to get next time...try the Pokemon fans. Our little voiced warden will capture darkspawn within his sword and release them later on to fight for him!! Sounds awesome, you should do it.

Pathetic.

I can't believe COD sold almost 6 million in it's first week world wide. That's insane.

Black Ops outsold LOTR; previously the highest grossing film series; entire lifetime sales in 12 hours after release. Was way over $100,000,000 dollars. Just saying.

[randName]

bjdbwea wrote...

If those sales numbers are correct, then I am glad that apparently many gamers refused to support the changes that BioWare and EA introduced in the DA series first with Awakening, and then even more so with DA 2. Once the price drops significantly, I might even buy DA 2. If others will do the same, the sales numbers might rise quite a bit still. But of course not with much profit for EA. But it was their own decision not to produce a proper continuation of DA, nor a proper RPG in general. Perhaps, and hopefully, ME 3 and DA 3 will be more like the games that BioWare used to create, then I am very sure that the sales numbers will return to much better values.

This.

except one thing as I've already bought it but in my defence I really regret preordering DA2.

Modifié par randName, 22 avril 2011 - 07:07 .

[Nintendo_Wii]

Here's what I've come up with. I added up(and rounded up) the sales numbers for DAO and DA2 over the first six weeks. According to VGChartz, DAO was sitting at 1,479,000(rounded up). DA2 is currently sitting at 1,230,000. For a difference of(Price is Right yo!) 249,000 copies. Now for week six across all platforms, DA2 sold a total of 48,000 copies(remember, I'm rounding up).. which means that in order for DA2 to reach the same amount of sales that DAO was sitting at by week six(pretending there isn't any further drop off in sales numbers, which there will be)... DA2 will be at week 11 or 12. Just to match what DAO did in six weeks, DA2 will have to at least been on the market for twice as long..

What is my point? They done screwed up.

Let Nintendo develop DA3.

Modifié par Nintendo_Wii, 22 avril 2011 - 07:16 .

[AAHook2]

I pre-ordered Dragon Age 2 expecting something else. I played the game and was disappointed. If someone were to ask me if they should buy it, I would tell them that maybe they should wait for a bit and the price would drop.

On the other hand, if they would have asked me about Dragon Age Origins, I would have told them to pick up that title as soon as possible, it's that great of a game.

Word of mouth can kill a title, or give it long life.

You think I wanted to pre-order something I expected to be a disappointment? How does that benefit me? My money is hard work. I don't like to waste it. I expected my money to pay for a great game experience. I got a mediocre one for nearly twice the price people can pay for it now. It's a bitter pill.

There's some justice in the fact that it's selling less because of bad or mixed reviews by actual players. The natural reaction from a business standpoint in this industry is to milk as much from bundling a game with a stronger title in order to inflate sales figures.

At this point it doesn't seem to be working all that well. A pity that it should come to this, but it must be a hard lesson taught not only to BioWare, but to all gaming developers that they cannot rush a title out to make a quick buck.

I should have realized this might happen when I saw that Dragon Age 2 was being released not 2 years after Origins and not a year after Awakenings.

I thought I had learned that lesson from Fable 3. BioWare is not the only only one who has to learn lessons from this. The only reason I'm still here is because I believe in Origins and regard it as one of the finest gaming experiences I've had yet.

Modifié par AAHook2, 22 avril 2011 - 07:26 .

[Uzaik]

RinpocheSchnozberry wrote...

TJSolo wrote...

That assumes DnD tropes are worse than any other trope and ignores the fact that any story-telling technique used more than once becomes a trope.

Making less money to spite a certain kind of fan is damned stupid.

It's not an assumption, it's a fact.  D&D tropes are worse than any other tropes.  I disagree with your definition of tropes as well.  You can use a technique several times, it's when it's done to death it becomes a trope. 

Based on the conditions you put forward "less sales by appealing to new players," the better choice is to aim for the pool of new players--- they aren't caught up in having BG and NWN recycled and won't fill the forum with doom and gloom when they don't get their way.

:wizard:

I'm usually kind, but I must ask... are your parents blood-related?

[TJSolo]

erynnar wrote...
Oh TJ, there's a bridge that's missing him...don't bother. ROFL!

I can't holdback sometimes^_^^_^