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[cljqnsnyc]

Volourn wrote...

"That's what they tried to do and ignoring their core has caused a sales flop."

Don't make stuff up.

Funny how in this thread you go on about making things up. Then in another thread where you attempt to bash CD Projekt Red....you claim they've made the same game half a dozen times. Honestly, which is it to be? CD Projekt Red has ONLY made 2 games to my knowledge...not 6.

Why not practice what you preach?

You enjoy DA2. Fine. You accuse people of stretching the truth where Bioware is concerned when they are only stating opinions and facts...then you turn around and outright lie on another forum about a company simply because you don't like them? I guess your behavior speaks for itself. However you choose to respond is fine with me. I'm not going to pursue this issue any further.

Modifié par cljqnsnyc, 23 avril 2011 - 03:55 .

[Volourn]

You just don't get things do you? It's a crack about all their 'special editions' they made for TW. LMAO Don't be so ignorant.

[Tantum Dic Verbo]

1000questions wrote...

Aaleel wrote...

Man I wonder if they're ever going to live down the press a button and something awesome happens comment. 

Nope   their fault, they went just overboard to praise DA2 and we are just .... well let us say responding

Actually, I think the awesome-button thing is an excellent approach.  Trouble is getting "awesome" properly defined and implemented.  I'm not sure "press a button and something mundane happens" is a better design objective.

[neppakyo]

Volourn wrote...

You just don't get things do you? It's a crack about all their 'special editions' they made for TW. LMAO Don't be so ignorant.

Don't be so straw man then.

[simonc4175]

Guldor wrote...

Here are the new sales numbers for DA2:

PS3 http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/
360 http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/
PC http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/


The only reason I can see these numbers staying the same from week 5 for this garbage game is the recent price drops. People who were not sure to pay 60,50,40,30$ can now pay 10$ (on the PC anyways) and "try" it out.

Hurry to trade it in at your local game store before your trade-in value drops to nothing!

EDITED:

Hey Laidlaw, here are the numbers for CoD week 10:

http://gamrreview.vg...duty-black-ops/


Which fans are you going to try to get next time...try the Pokemon fans. Our little voiced warden will capture darkspawn within his sword and release them later on to fight for him!! Sounds awesome, you should do it.

Pathetic.

You can't compare a multi-player FPS to a single player RPG is terms of sales.

Call of Duty has always turned out high sales figures because it has more appeal that RPGs.

So your own argument is equall pathetic.

[cljqnsnyc]

It appears to me that these forums for some aren't about healthy debates or expressing opinions, but about mud slinging, insults, and personal attacks as a means of making a point. If anyone truly believes strongly in their opinions, they wouldn't feel the need to attack anyone for disagreeing with them. How someone goes about expressing themselves reveals many things about the way they think and how they conduct themselves in general.

Honestly, I dislike the direction DA2 has taken and I stand firm on the things I believe which have never required the use of insults or arrogance merely to discuss a game. But my opinions are just as valid as those who love this game.  People should be able to decide for themselves how they view this game....without name calling and the other ridiculous antics I've seen on these boards in the past months.  It's just a game for goodness sakes!

If DA2 isn't performing up to expectations, there isn't anyone to blame for it other than those who created it. Disputing facts and figures at this point doesn't make a difference. There is enough evidence to suggest which way the wind is blowing where this game is concerned.

Whatever any of us feel about DA2, ultimately, the decisions about it and the future DA Universe in general, rest with Bioware. It's up to them what happens next.

Modifié par cljqnsnyc, 23 avril 2011 - 04:19 .

[Guldor]

simonc4175 wrote...

Guldor wrote...

Here are the new sales numbers for DA2:

PS3 http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/
360 http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/
PC http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/


The only reason I can see these numbers staying the same from week 5 for this garbage game is the recent price drops. People who were not sure to pay 60,50,40,30$ can now pay 10$ (on the PC anyways) and "try" it out.

Hurry to trade it in at your local game store before your trade-in value drops to nothing!

EDITED:

Hey Laidlaw, here are the numbers for CoD week 10:

http://gamrreview.vg...duty-black-ops/


Which fans are you going to try to get next time...try the Pokemon fans. Our little voiced warden will capture darkspawn within his sword and release them later on to fight for him!! Sounds awesome, you should do it.

Pathetic.

You can't compare a multi-player FPS to a single player RPG is terms of sales.

Call of Duty has always turned out high sales figures because it has more appeal that RPGs.

So your own argument is equall pathetic.

The CoD sales were just to demonstrate to Laidlaw what kind of sales are generated for FPS games by their target audiences. It was just a little reminder that he obviously will never get this sales for his "hybrid/mutant/frankenstein" game despite targeting that audience somehow.

Sorry, next time I'll have my sarcasm sign out.

[Mecher3k]

laudable11 wrote...

It is true. One of the Doctors confirmed it in a Gameinformer interview. DA2 got to a million faster than DA:O.

Go to the Mass Effect 3 hub at the Gameinformer site to read the interview.

EDIT: Sorry, the doc only said DA2 is selling faster than DA:O. He did not mention the million mark, but I personally believe it. I dont think EA/Bioware being a public company is going to put fake numbers out there.

And your point being what?

Oh that's right you never had a point in this reply.

Fact: It sold faster due to how good DA:O was, people like me who hate DA2, pre-ordered DA2 because of DA:O. And thanks to people like me, the sales are dropping FAST.

Your post actually backfires when you put a tiny bit of thought into it.

[Guldor]

cljqnsnyc wrote...

It appears to me that these forums for some aren't about healthy debates or expressing opinions, but about mud slinging, insults, and personal attacks as a means of making a point. If anyone truly believes strongly in their opinions, they wouldn't feel the need to attack anyone for disagreeing with them. How someone goes about expressing themselves reveals many things about the way they think and how they conduct themselves in general.

Honestly, I dislike the direction DA2 has taken and I stand firm on the things I believe which have never required the use of insults or arrogance merely to discuss a game. But my opinions are just as valid as those who love this game.  People should be able to decide for themselves how they view this game....without name calling and the other ridiculous antics I've seen on these boards in the past months.  It's just a game for goodness sakes!

If DA2 isn't performing up to expectations, there isn't anyone to blame for it other than those who created it. Disputing facts and figures at this point doesn't make a difference. There is enough evidence to suggest which way the wind is blowing where this game is concerned.

Whatever any of us feel about DA2, ultimately, the decisions about it and the future DA Universe in general, rest with Bioware. It's up to them what happens next.

Having purchased everything DA related I think I can consider myself a fan. Having release poor quality products since the DLCs, awakening and now DA2 is somehow frustarting when you trust a company to create awesomeness. Dicussing their poor sales here is hopefully a way to show them we want quality and we wont settle for less.

[cljqnsnyc]

Guldor wrote...

cljqnsnyc wrote...

It appears to me that these forums for some aren't about healthy debates or expressing opinions, but about mud slinging, insults, and personal attacks as a means of making a point. If anyone truly believes strongly in their opinions, they wouldn't feel the need to attack anyone for disagreeing with them. How someone goes about expressing themselves reveals many things about the way they think and how they conduct themselves in general.

Honestly, I dislike the direction DA2 has taken and I stand firm on the things I believe which have never required the use of insults or arrogance merely to discuss a game. But my opinions are just as valid as those who love this game.  People should be able to decide for themselves how they view this game....without name calling and the other ridiculous antics I've seen on these boards in the past months.  It's just a game for goodness sakes!

If DA2 isn't performing up to expectations, there isn't anyone to blame for it other than those who created it. Disputing facts and figures at this point doesn't make a difference. There is enough evidence to suggest which way the wind is blowing where this game is concerned.

Whatever any of us feel about DA2, ultimately, the decisions about it and the future DA Universe in general, rest with Bioware. It's up to them what happens next.

Having purchased everything DA related I think I can consider myself a fan. Having release poor quality products since the DLCs, awakening and now DA2 is somehow frustarting when you trust a company to create awesomeness. Dicussing their poor sales here is hopefully a way to show them we want quality and we wont settle for less.

I couldn't agree more. I feel the exact same way as you. I was only referring to the people who can't stand the fact that anyone could have an opposing viewpoint in either direction. I have no problem with someone who thinks this game is fantastic. It isn't for me to decide how someone else should think or feel. There's nothing wrong with agreeing to disagree.

Modifié par cljqnsnyc, 23 avril 2011 - 04:33 .

[Volourn]

"Fact: It sold faster due to how good DA:O was, people like me who hate DA2, pre-ordered DA2 because of DA:O. And thanks to people like me, the sales are dropping FAST."

FACT: DA supposedly sold anywhere from 3.2mil-4.5mil. Supposedly, DA2 had 400k pre orders. Obviously DA1 wasn't THAT good if anywhere from 2.8-4.1mil people didn't like it enough to bother with preordering DA2 or hell even bothering to finish DA1 at all let alone get out out of the first two. LMAO

So, in essence, DA1 was so unpopular, that it doomed DA2 to sell less.

btw, There is a reason why sequels tend to start losing sales compared to the original and it's not just because the sequels 'lack quality'. It's because if for example 1 million people play a game (or watch a movie), and 80% of them liked it that means 20% didn't. That automatically limits the audience (barring suckers who will watch/play sequels to movies/games they hate) to 800k peeps. See how that works?

SPIN, baby, SPIN.

Anybody can play that way!

[Guldor]

cljqnsnyc wrote...

Guldor wrote...

cljqnsnyc wrote...

It appears to me that these forums for some aren't about healthy debates or expressing opinions, but about mud slinging, insults, and personal attacks as a means of making a point. If anyone truly believes strongly in their opinions, they wouldn't feel the need to attack anyone for disagreeing with them. How someone goes about expressing themselves reveals many things about the way they think and how they conduct themselves in general.

Honestly, I dislike the direction DA2 has taken and I stand firm on the things I believe which have never required the use of insults or arrogance merely to discuss a game. But my opinions are just as valid as those who love this game.  People should be able to decide for themselves how they view this game....without name calling and the other ridiculous antics I've seen on these boards in the past months.  It's just a game for goodness sakes!

If DA2 isn't performing up to expectations, there isn't anyone to blame for it other than those who created it. Disputing facts and figures at this point doesn't make a difference. There is enough evidence to suggest which way the wind is blowing where this game is concerned.

Whatever any of us feel about DA2, ultimately, the decisions about it and the future DA Universe in general, rest with Bioware. It's up to them what happens next.

Having purchased everything DA related I think I can consider myself a fan. Having release poor quality products since the DLCs, awakening and now DA2 is somehow frustarting when you trust a company to create awesomeness. Dicussing their poor sales here is hopefully a way to show them we want quality and we wont settle for less.

I couldn't agree more. I feel the exact same way as you. I was only referring to the people who can't stand the fact that anyone could have an opposing viewpoint in either direction. I have no problem with someone who thinks this game is fantastic. It isn't for me to decide how someone else should think or feel. There's nothing wrong with agreeing to disagree.

You're right too. Some people are just angry for an unknown reason and feel like they must use insults. I think it's just  a minority though.

[UltiPup]

Are you going to make a thread for sales every week? I am sure you have a better use for your time.

[Davasar]

Volourn wrote...

"Fact: It sold faster due to how good DA:O was, people like me who hate DA2, pre-ordered DA2 because of DA:O. And thanks to people like me, the sales are dropping FAST."

FACT: DA supposedly sold anywhere from 3.2mil-4.5mil. Supposedly, DA2 had 400k pre orders. Obviously DA1 wasn't THAT good if anywhere from 2.8-4.1mil people didn't like it enough to bother with preordering DA2 or hell even bothering to finish DA1 at all let alone get out out of the first two. LMAO

So, in essence, DA1 was so unpopular, that it doomed DA2 to sell less.

btw, There is a reason why sequels tend to start losing sales compared to the original and it's not just because the sequels 'lack quality'. It's because if for example 1 million people play a game (or watch a movie), and 80% of them liked it that means 20% didn't. That automatically limits the audience (barring suckers who will watch/play sequels to movies/games they hate) to 800k peeps. See how that works?

SPIN, baby, SPIN.

Anybody can play that way!

Factual fallacy.

Most people who played and liked DAO knew that DA2 was not going to be what they wanted so they avoided it.  Many who preordered were disappointed in DA2, and regret pre-ordering.

I could list the many reasons people didnt get the game (Not a true sequel, dumbed down features, can't make your own character, etc), all these will drive away your core audience...you know, the folks who liked the game.

Couple that with the fact that the Bioware folks basically told the fan base that got them this far to F**K OFF and there will not be as many sales.

Your analysis of the reasons for lesser sales, stating that those that bought DAO didn't like it because "it was so unpopular" or some such, is hardly true.

Droves would have bought it, had Bioware stuck with their fan base.

What they don't realise is:  Make the audience come to you through a suprior product, don't try to cater to a group that doesn't like the kind of game you are making anyway, it is doomed to fail.

And it has.

Modifié par Davasar, 23 avril 2011 - 07:02 .

[Volourn]

Are you REALLY claiming that EVERYBODY who bought and played DA1 loved it so much that iif DA2 was made EXACTLY like DA1 that all 3.5-4.5 DA1 purchasers would have pre order and scooped up DA2 on first day of release?

Dom you REALLY believe that nonsense? Do?

I sure hope not as that would be rather embarassing for the human race to think a fellow human being could actually believe such silliness.

REALLY? All 3.5-4.5mil people who bought DA1 loved it?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

That's R00fleriffic!

[Mecher3k]

Volourn, you do not give your original fanbase the middle finger and depend on a new fanbase for a game.

Exhibit A: SWG and the CU, NGE "updates." SOE thought they could ignore their original fanbase and get a new one. It backfired horribly to the put were the developers that worked on it pleaded for the rest of the game industry not to make the same mistake.

Bioware did just that a few years later because of Laidlaw not knowing history.

But you are a troll, or a complete fool, who's immune to reality.

[Volourn]

BIo's 'original' fanbase were fans of MDK2 or SS. Whiche ever of thsoe came first since I'm such a 'big' 'fan' i can't rememebr which did since I don't care.

Besdies, there is no such thing as a BIO 'fan'. Just plain old fahsion intellectual dishonesty.

P.S. How am I troll posting I like DA2 on a DA2 forum/ R00fles! Oh yeah, because you cna't handle diffeirng opinions. Someone who has an opinion different than you doesn't make thema troll.

But constantly spamming insults, flames et.c could be cosnidered trollish since bashers of DA2 tend to start threads meant to bash and to entice fans to react. THAT's trolling.

[Mecher3k]

The irony of you saying "intellectual dishonesty" is lost on you I see.

[Volourn]

The irony of you using the word 'irony' is missing on u i post.

[randName]

Volourn wrote...
R00fles

I like people defending DA2 I really do, I like people standing up for things, people that rises up to the challange ~ but really? I for one find it increasingly hard to take you seriously when you sprout garbage like these on a post by post basis.

And anger and might is all good and that, and I would advert that people would listen to www.youtube.com/watch when posting on forums as not to grow meak and weak as there is no need for benevolence and kindness here, but really, did you need to multitask by sniffing glue and listen to blink 182 while you post?

[gastovski]

biodrones because of you the game could sell much more.. you just have to buy 3 more copies with 60 bucks price otherwise you dont expect a "da3 with da2 style"..

Modifié par gastovski, 23 avril 2011 - 07:50 .

[Volourn]

Who is angry? I'm not angry. I will be, however, when I ahve to got to work in a couple of hours.. then, I will be REALLY angry. R00fles!

Anyways, back to DA2. Cool game. Just like DA1. Unlike KOTOR which is not a cool game but is overrated or S;RPG which just plain sucks. R00fles!

[Uzaik]

Why is it that people TRY to argue with Volourn? There are many posters here who defend Dragon Age 2 with intelligent arguments. Their opinions might be different than ours, but they are still worth the time. Volourn clearly does not fit in that group (or as the saying goes: "Do not feed the troll").

[gastovski]

Volourn wrote...

Who is angry? I'm not angry. I will be, however, when I ahve to got to work in a couple of hours.. then, I will be REALLY angry. R00fles!

Anyways, back to DA2. Cool game. Just like DA1. Unlike KOTOR which is not a cool game but is overrated or S;RPG which just plain sucks. R00fles!

i am rolling on the floor with alot of laughing

[Night Prowler76]

Volourn wrote...

"Fact: It sold faster due to how good DA:O was, people like me who hate DA2, pre-ordered DA2 because of DA:O. And thanks to people like me, the sales are dropping FAST."

FACT: DA supposedly sold anywhere from 3.2mil-4.5mil. Supposedly, DA2 had 400k pre orders. Obviously DA1 wasn't THAT good if anywhere from 2.8-4.1mil people didn't like it enough to bother with preordering DA2 or hell even bothering to finish DA1 at all let alone get out out of the first two. LMAO

So, in essence, DA1 was so unpopular, that it doomed DA2 to sell less.

btw, There is a reason why sequels tend to start losing sales compared to the original and it's not just because the sequels 'lack quality'. It's because if for example 1 million people play a game (or watch a movie), and 80% of them liked it that means 20% didn't. That automatically limits the audience (barring suckers who will watch/play sequels to movies/games they hate) to 800k peeps. See how that works?

SPIN, baby, SPIN.

Anybody can play that way!

False statements, usually sequal's sell better, like ME2, Oblivion, Call of Duty games, Gears 2, Uncharted 2 etc, see your logic is flawed, good games will sell, if the sequals are good, they will outsell the original games, as this is the way with most triple A titles, I dont expect you to understand because you are taking over leadership of the BioSheep, I miss Drogo45, atleast he didnt make things up that were utterly stupid.