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xkg wrote...

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Just curious, what exactly are you hoping to gain by posting these charts every week? Internet fame?


I would have thought this person was hoping to let others know how the game is selling.

I for one remain interested in this.


Same.


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Ps. Byzantine if you are not interested you can just skip this thread. You dont HAVE TO read it if you dont like it.
Just saying in case you didnt know that

You don't have to read my comment and comment upon what I said, either. Works both ways.

I was actually *just* wondering. The only ones who are truly affected by sale numbers are EA and Bioware, and they will now these numbers before anyone else. Also, one of the reasons why I wonder is because sale figures have often been used as a tool to bring down people who like the game and mark their opinion as false, bad, invalid and wrong. Apparently none in the world can like the game if it sells bad and those who do are idiots, correct?

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Volourn wrote...
R00fles!


You know that to troll you need to be able to at least keep people interested in what you sprout right? And I advocated anger myself, so no real reason to propetuate that you aren't.

Perhaps people actually keep you going, but the more you rehash old intenet memes from the unwashed generation all the more I'm just seeing this wretched cretinoid looking for affection through opposition. Given that I've seen you years ago by now over at the RPGcodex it just makes it all the more hollow.

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"I was actually *just* wondering. The only ones who are truly affected by sale numbers are EA and Bioware, and they will now these numbers before anyone else. Also, one of the reasons why I wonder is because sale figures have often been used as a tool to bring down people who like the game and mark their opinion as false, bad, invalid and wrong. Apparently none in the world can like the game if it sells bad and those who do are idiots, correct?"

People like to discuss things. that's what the internet is for. *shrug*

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Volourn wrote...


"I was actually *just* wondering. The only ones who are truly affected by sale numbers are EA and Bioware, and they will now these numbers before anyone else. Also, one of the reasons why I wonder is because sale figures have often been used as a tool to bring down people who like the game and mark their opinion as false, bad, invalid and wrong. Apparently none in the world can like the game if it sells bad and those who do are idiots, correct?"

People like to discuss things. that's what the internet is for. *shrug*


Aye, and while I've argued that the game is selling poorly I would agree with you here.


The thing is that's not really why people are using this as an argument, or rather they are just trying to strengthen their case that the game is bad in a debate in large parts focused around taste.

But I don't hold it against anyone who thinks that DA2 was wonderful, nor do I need low sales to prove that I didn't like it; all while I understand people that simply want to say "hey look, more than me and myself does agree with me!", it's partly a silly egotistical point, but does more than any one crying foul raise the problem that somewhere in the production and PR DA2 partly failed, at least it failed to sell better than DA:O (and one could argue that due to lower production costs it still made more money per production hour than DA:O).

But it's a valid point, the problem is that people use it to validate their opinions on the game - for example I cringe when ever someone claims that the game sold less because of the bisexual content or the companions (I liked the companions in large more than in DA:O, and I liked that I could experience all the romances with each gender, even if I only experienced the female ones).

And this does irk me, but in the end by playing the retard, and I know that you aren't, you don't get anything more done but further degrading the forums.

Now if your plan is to further diminish the use of these forums by yourself posting trash and goading others into doing so - well done, you have certainly succeeded in lowering the quality here from low low to even lower.

& I’m actually drunk so sorry about my own posting quality, well lack there of, being even lower than general.

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88mphSlayer wrote...

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Guldor wrote...

Here are the new sales numbers for DA2:

PS3 http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/
360 http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/
PC http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/


The only reason I can see these numbers staying the same from week 5 for this garbage game is the recent price drops. People who were not sure to pay 60,50,40,30$ can now pay 10$ (on the PC anyways) and "try" it out.

Hurry to trade it in at your local game store before your trade-in value drops to nothing!

EDITED:

Hey Laidlaw, here are the numbers for CoD week 10:

http://gamrreview.vg...duty-black-ops/


Which fans are you going to try to get next time...try the Pokemon fans. Our little voiced warden will capture darkspawn within his sword and release them later on to fight for him!! Sounds awesome, you should do it.

Pathetic.





I can't believe COD sold almost 6 million in it's first week world wide. That's insane.


Black Ops is the top selling US game in history :bandit:


No it isn't. Wii Play has sold vast multiples of times more as one example. Pokémon Black and White already have more sales. This is worldwide, but Black Ops in America was quickest in its first day/week, not 'history'...

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foil- wrote...

BioWare was pretty open about it in the first week of sales stating that initial DA2 sales were better than DAO sales for the same period. Likely due to initial enthusiasm and a quicker tale off than DAO due to word of mouth reviews.


And the preorders.

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randName wrote...



... the problem that somewhere in the
production and PR DA2 partly failed, at least it failed to sell better
than DA:O (and one could argue that due to lower production costs it
still made more money per production hour than DA:O).




Hatchetman77 wrote...

foil- wrote...

BioWare was pretty open about it in the first week of sales stating that initial DA2 sales were better than DAO sales for the same period. Likely due to initial enthusiasm and a quicker tale off than DAO due to word of mouth reviews.


And the preorders.


I would hope an apples to apples comparison since DA-zero had preorders and hefty pre release marketing (cost more than the actual game production from what I recall as the general info at the time).  I think BioWare was trying to recoup some of that investment with this full release/expansion hybrid.

I actually like DA2 so far.  The story and characterisation is excellent.  But the maps are a serious disapointment and the mechanics a slight dissapointment.  I could use a halfway between the mechanics of DA0 and DA2. Speed DA0 up while maintaining some of the finesse with its finishing moves and fluid battle animations.  DA2 looks a little too jerky and some spell animations are less interesting (firestorm).  To make the DA0 firestorm have a little more impact they could have had "house" size metereors spinning around the tornado and impacting the ground.

I still feel this was BioWare producing a sort of expansion while marketting it as a full release.  Expansions aren't that profitable so they may have taken this root instead while making some significant changes to justify the full price tag.  But the kinks show.  They commited to too early a release date and didn't have the art and area resources to follow through on the expansion like dev time.

Still, I've commited over 100 hours to the game so far and am still in act 3 beginning.  Problem is that a lot of the encounters feel like a high hitpoint grind which slows things down significantly (on hard setting).

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Game in the UK (a store well known for charging as much as possible) is now selling it for £13, even with the free ME2 offer the game has vanished from the UK top 10 on PC. No sign of it on Steams best sellers either.

Volourn wrote...


I stopped reading at this point.

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Jim_uk wrote...

Game in the UK (a store well known for charging as much as possible) is now selling it for £13, even with the free ME2 offer the game has vanished from the UK top 10 on PC. No sign of it on Steams best sellers either.

Volourn wrote...


I stopped reading at this point.

This part made me laugh, and its true


Well the PC ver is still $39cdn here, with the console versions $10 higher, still sht loads of copies on the shelves at futureshop and gamestop.

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neppakyo wrote...

Jim_uk wrote...

Game in the UK (a store well known for charging as much as possible) is now selling it for £13, even with the free ME2 offer the game has vanished from the UK top 10 on PC. No sign of it on Steams best sellers either.

Volourn wrote...


I stopped reading at this point.

This part made me laugh, and its true


Well the PC ver is still $39cdn here, with the console versions $10 higher, still sht loads of copies on the shelves at futureshop and gamestop.


Steam are still charging full price, no surprise then that it's not in the best sellers.

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Estimates based on checking retailers' charts and numbers etc. Highly inaccurate at times.

Hm, you know, unless we have access to their data, it is extremely likely that the numbers are completely useless for comparative purposes except for similiar releases (the same distribution) in a similiar timeframe (during a period where the source of their data is consistant).

Comparing DA:O and DA2, there is a 2 year difference - how have their sources changed? How have the sources of their data changed? What sources have opened/closed? In two years, how great a % of sales are now digital?

Looking at the numbers without qualifiers is akin to comparing prices without adjusting for inflation and without knowing if the CPI has changed to add/remove items, or looking at a stock index without knowing if companies have been added/dropped.

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Alex Kershaw wrote...

88mphSlayer wrote...

SoulRebel_1979 wrote...

Guldor wrote...

Here are the new sales numbers for DA2:

PS3 http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/
360 http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/
PC http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/


The only reason I can see these numbers staying the same from week 5 for this garbage game is the recent price drops. People who were not sure to pay 60,50,40,30$ can now pay 10$ (on the PC anyways) and "try" it out.

Hurry to trade it in at your local game store before your trade-in value drops to nothing!

EDITED:

Hey Laidlaw, here are the numbers for CoD week 10:

http://gamrreview.vg...duty-black-ops/


Which fans are you going to try to get next time...try the Pokemon fans. Our little voiced warden will capture darkspawn within his sword and release them later on to fight for him!! Sounds awesome, you should do it.

Pathetic.





I can't believe COD sold almost 6 million in it's first week world wide. That's insane.


Black Ops is the top selling US game in history :bandit:


No it isn't. Wii Play has sold vast multiples of times more as one example. Pokémon Black and White already have more sales. This is worldwide, but Black Ops in America was quickest in its first day/week, not 'history'...


Black ops has passed Wii play, it is indeed the best selling game in US history now.

http://xbox360.ign.c.../1154974p1.html

Black ops is multiplatform, it helps against a Wii exclusive title, or DS exclusive, like you listed, not sure if you took that into account.

Modifié par Night Prowler76, 25 avril 2011 - 02:47 .


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If those sales numbers are correct, then I am glad that apparently many gamers refused to support the changes that BioWare and EA introduced in the DA series first with Awakening, and then even more so with DA 2. Once the price drops significantly, I might even buy DA 2. If others will do the same, the sales numbers might rise quite a bit still. But of course not with much profit for EA. But it was their own decision not to produce a proper continuation of DA, nor a proper RPG in general. Perhaps, and hopefully, ME 3 and DA 3 will be more like the games that BioWare used to create, then I am very sure that the sales numbers will return to much better values.


I wouldn't be that sure there's going to be a DA3.

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In Exile wrote...

bjdbwea wrote...

If those sales numbers are correct, then I am glad that apparently many gamers refused to support the changes that BioWare and EA introduced in the DA series first with Awakening, and then even more so with DA 2. Once the price drops significantly, I might even buy DA 2. If others will do the same, the sales numbers might rise quite a bit still. But of course not with much profit for EA. But it was their own decision not to produce a proper continuation of DA, nor a proper RPG in general. Perhaps, and hopefully, ME 3 and DA 3 will be more like the games that BioWare used to create, then I am very sure that the sales numbers will return to much better values.


I wouldn't be that sure there's going to be a DA3.


Sadly I agree that there probably might not be a DA3.

DA2 tanked any reasons for a third one, imho.

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Sadly I agree that there probably might not be a DA3.

DA2 tanked any reasons for a third one, imho.


I don't think the game is the problem so much as how toxic the name became. I think it's better to cannibalize the team and try to sell a new IP from the 'makers of Dragon Age Origins' in a similar style, if possible.

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In Exile wrote...

neppakyo wrote...
Sadly I agree that there probably might not be a DA3.

DA2 tanked any reasons for a third one, imho.


I don't think the game is the problem so much as how toxic the name became. I think it's better to cannibalize the team and try to sell a new IP from the 'makers of Dragon Age Origins' in a similar style, if possible.


Makes sense, if they are determined to do the arcade action thing. Make Jade Empire2.

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In Exile wrote...

neppakyo wrote...
Sadly I agree that there probably might not be a DA3.

DA2 tanked any reasons for a third one, imho.


I don't think the game is the problem so much as how toxic the name became. I think it's better to cannibalize the team and try to sell a new IP from the 'makers of Dragon Age Origins' in a similar style, if possible.


They could do a "DA3, from the makers of DA:O" and it would almost sound ok.

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I'm on my 4th playthrough and still enjoying the game.

Could any of those hipster douches care to elaborate why they consider DA2 a bad game?

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I'm on my 4th playthrough and still enjoying the game.

Could any of those hipster douches care to elaborate why they consider DA2 a bad game?


Did you play DAO?

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Re-used maps, illogical parachuting ninja spawns, exploding enemies, choices don't really affect the greater narrative, etc etc.

I wouldn't say Dragon Age 2 is a bad game, but I cannot claim it's a good one either. Why do you think it's a good game?

Also, keep out the insults, make you look petty.

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mrcrusty wrote...

Re-used maps, illogical parachuting ninja spawns, exploding enemies, choices don't really affect the greater narrative, etc etc.

I wouldn't say Dragon Age 2 is a bad game, but I cannot claim it's a good one either. Why do you think it's a good game?

Also, keep out the insults, make you look petty.


That's not enough to call DA2 a bad game. Yes, it has alot of flaws but like Bioware guys have said, they were short on time and resources. Give it some time and with the help dlcs and expansions it will even surpass DA:O. 

And, no, I didn't insult anyone. Only a rich hipster douche could call DA2 a bad game. If you compare this game as a neutral person to any other rpg than you'd definetly say that DA2 is one of the best rpgs out there. It's main problem is that it is goddamn short.  There should have been atleast 4 acts.

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Jim_uk wrote...

Game in the UK (a store well known for charging as much as possible) is now selling it for £13, even with the free ME2 offer the game has vanished from the UK top 10 on PC. No sign of it on Steams best sellers either.

Volourn wrote...


I stopped reading at this point.


LMAO

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Guliver wrote...
That's not enough to call DA2 a bad game. Yes, it has alot of flaws but like Bioware guys have said, they were short on time and resources. Give it some time and with the help dlcs and expansions it will even surpass DA:O. 

And, no, I didn't insult anyone. Only a rich hipster douche could call DA2 a bad game. If you compare this game as a neutral person to any other rpg than you'd definetly say that DA2 is one of the best rpgs out there. It's main problem is that it is goddamn short.  There should have been atleast 4 acts.




It's more than enough. Why the hell should we pay extra to fix their mistakes.

Maybe if I'd never played any other RPGs I would...

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Guliver wrote...
That's not enough to call DA2 a bad game. Yes, it has alot of flaws but like Bioware guys have said, they were short on time and resources. Give it some time and with the help dlcs and expansions it will even surpass DA:O. 

And, no, I didn't insult anyone. Only a rich hipster douche could call DA2 a bad game. If you compare this game as a neutral person to any other rpg than you'd definetly say that DA2 is one of the best rpgs out there. It's main problem is that it is goddamn short.  There should have been atleast 4 acts.

People are not going to buy DLC if the game is off their hard drive and they've already moved on to new and brighter things.  I liked Fallout New Vegas, for instance, but still found it mediocre overall and haven't bought the DLC.  I might not get any of the DLC, depending on reviews.

It's "neutral" to call DA2 one of the best RPGs out there?  That doesn't sound very neutral to me.  There aren't a lot of good RPGs, but I love the DA world and I still would put it as a flimsy game.  Fun on a first play, but with very little under the hood.  I'm recommending it to our gamer friends only with reservations, like if they can get it on discount.

Hopefully Bioware will at least get back the seemingly paltry investment that got put into it, since I do hope the franchise continues.

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They decided to throw away most of the stuff from DA:O and re-do an entire game on a short devel period. You don't do that in a short period of time.