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[Guliver]

BobSmith101 wrote...

Guliver wrote...
That's not enough to call DA2 a bad game. Yes, it has alot of flaws but like Bioware guys have said, they were short on time and resources. Give it some time and with the help dlcs and expansions it will even surpass DA:O. 

And, no, I didn't insult anyone. Only a rich hipster douche could call DA2 a bad game. If you compare this game as a neutral person to any other rpg than you'd definetly say that DA2 is one of the best rpgs out there. It's main problem is that it is goddamn short.  There should have been atleast 4 acts.

It's more than enough. Why the hell should we pay extra to fix their mistakes.

Maybe if I'd never played any other RPGs I would...

You shoudn't. That's why it does so bad on sales.

Really, it's your choice to buy it now and play a buggy game or wait till the majority of bugs are fixed and there's new content from dlcs and expansions. It's also going to cost you alot less than now.
I bought it for a ridiculous price so I can't complain.

Besides, how many good rpgs you know that came out without bugs? Imo, I think they have done a great job with the time they had. The story and characters are great as always. Applause for mister Gaider and his writing team.

[abaris]

Guliver wrote...

That's not enough to call DA2 a bad game. Yes, it has alot of flaws but like Bioware guys have said, they were short on time and resources. Give it some time and with the help dlcs and expansions it will even surpass DA:O.

Cute. By your logic, its pay, pay and pay again to remaster the game as a whole.

Well, more power to you, if you're buying dlcs and expansions with that kind of hope in your heart.

[accessd]

If DA2 didn't have "Dragon Age" or "BioWare" on its cover/title it would have been a failure @day 1.

Hope they spend the money they earned pissing on hardcore and loyal fans well since people ain't easily fooled a second time.

[Volourn]

"If DA2 didn't have "Dragon Age" or "BioWare" on its cover/title it would have been a failure @day 1."

If DA1 didn't have the 'Bioware' logo on uits cover/title it would have been a failure @day 1.

R00fles!

[Vicious]

word of mouth is indeed powerful.

[xkg]

Volourn wrote...

accessd wrote...

If DA2 didn't have "Dragon Age" or "BioWare" on its cover/title it would have been a failure @day 1.

Hope they spend the money they earned pissing on hardcore and loyal fans well since people ain't easily fooled a second time.

"If DA2 didn't have "Dragon Age" or "BioWare" on its cover/title it would have been a failure @day 1."

If DA1 didn't have the 'Bioware' logo on uits cover/title it would have been a failure @day 1.

R00fles!

DA2 would have been a failure @day 1 if it didn't have "Dragon Age" or "BioWare" on its cover/title

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Can you do better ?

Modifié par xkg, 25 avril 2011 - 05:13 .

[In Exile]

randName wrote...
They could do a "DA3, from the makers of DA:O" and it would almost sound ok.

I don't think it will work. Bioware will not move away from some of the DA2 changes no matter what (e.g. Voiced PC) and I think that there has been so much raw hatred built over this game that there is a significant portion of the fanbase that will not re-invest in DA3 unless it removes almost every trace from DA2.

BobSmith101 wrote...

Makes
sense, if they are determined to do the arcade action thing. Make Jade
Empire2.

As much as I would like that (love the lore & feel of the game), that brand is also dead. Didn't sell anywhere near enough to carry foward. Which is ironic, because that was Bioware's first foray into console action RPG after KoTOR.

[Volourn]

Yeah, but it wasn't a SW game. Too bad too as JE was better than KOTOR in every way.

[AkiKishi]

In Exile wrote...
As much as I would like that (love the lore & feel of the game), that brand is also dead. Didn't sell anywhere near enough to carry foward. Which is ironic, because that was Bioware's first foray into console action RPG after KoTOR.

Probably no more of a risk than a new IP would be. It's no where near as toxic as DA2 currently is , nor was it ever I believe.

[bjdbwea]

Volourn wrote...

Yeah, but it wasn't a SW game. Too bad too as JE was better than KOTOR in every way.

I have to strongly disagree with that. Nevertheless, JE was a great game, and worthy to be called a BioWare game. At least as far as their usual strengths are concerned, namely the writing of characters and story. The combat system was of course mediocre at best, obviously because already then they had this idea to offer quick action gameplay for the same sort of target audience that they again wanted to attract with the changes in ME 2 and DA 2.

I thought that they had learned after JE, because ME 1 and DA were big steps in the right direction: Modern presentation, some of the apparently inevitable "streamlining," but still the good old BioWare qualities as far as the writing and RPG value is concerned. The sales numbers of JE as well as some market research should have told them that their new desired target audience will probably not buy an RPG in a large number no matter the changes, whereas the RPG fans do not appreciate such changes in the first place. And they should also have known, from their own successes as well as for example Bethesda's, that good and proper RPGs still sell, even on consoles. Bottom line: There was never any need for all the changes, since there was never any need to cater to a new sort of target audience. Fortunately, the sales numbers seem to indicate that this strategy once again pretty much failed, as well as the strategy of producing a so-called sequel in such a ridiculously short amount of time.

The question is, where BioWare wants to go from there, and of course where EA allows them to go. They could either concentrate on their actual strengths with their next games, and try to produce games for the quite dependable group of RPG fans, or they could force BioWare to produce games even quicker and with even less RPG value, so that with reduced production costs, even less sales might still produce some profit.

Modifié par bjdbwea, 25 avril 2011 - 06:36 .

[In Exile]

BobSmith101 wrote..
Probably no more of a risk than a new IP would be. It's no where near as toxic as DA2 currently is , nor was it ever I believe.

Bioware doesn't have the brand to sell it anymore, IMO. You'd need to market it 'from the makers of ME' and sell is that way to get any kind of traction. I don't think the gameplay (beat 'em up martial arts) would neccesarily sell.

Still, I honestly think it's something Bioware should pursue, since the setting and atmosphere fits with the direction they want to go in.

[Volourn]

"the apparently inevitable "streamlining," but still the good old BioWare qualities as far as the writing and RPG value is concerned. The sales numbers of JE as well as some market research should have told them that their new desired target audience will probably not buy an RPG in a large number no matter the changes, whereas the RPG fans do not appreciate such changes in the first place. And they should also have known, from their own successes as well as for example Bethesda's, that good and proper RPGs still sell, even on consoles"

JE sold 1.5-2mil. Just wans't enough.

And, the only thing BIo can elarnf rom Betehsda is how to make the crappiest games ever yet get suckers to buy it. Bethesda is the worst most successful developer ever. Crap game after crap game. Kudos to them.

I'll stick with less popular awesome RPGs like ARC and BL.

[AkiKishi]

In Exile wrote...
Bioware doesn't have the brand to sell it anymore, IMO. You'd need to market it 'from the makers of ME' and sell is that way to get any kind of traction. I don't think the gameplay (beat 'em up martial arts) would neccesarily sell.

Still, I honestly think it's something Bioware should pursue, since the setting and atmosphere fits with the direction they want to go in.

But does Bioware have the brand to sell a new IP following DA2 ? I think either way is a risk Jade Empire is at least compatible with the mass market direction and already has a "world" which means not having to invent one from scratch.

[DJBare]

So it's bombing, now there's a surprise

[xkg]

Guldor wrote...

Here are the new sales numbers for DA2:

PS3 http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/
360 http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/
PC http://gamrreview.vg.../dragon-age-ii/

Sales for week 7 are available now.

Seems that dropping price helped. At least in EMEAA.

[zorp]

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[dheer]

zorp wrote...
*snip*

Ouch. A fanbase* scorned is a harsh mistress. It looks like word of mouth has really taken it's toll.



*=A  portion of. Not everyone.

[AkiKishi]

dheer wrote...

zorp wrote...
*snip*

Ouch. A fanbase* scorned is a harsh mistress. It looks like word of mouth has really taken it's toll.



*=A  portion of. Not everyone.

Looking at that chart above thats a significant portion.

[Rebecca Black likes DA2]

I zorps chart!

zorp I'm going to make a new topic for week 7 and use your chart. OK? OK good thanks.

[dheer]

BobSmith101 wrote...
Looking at that chart above thats a significant portion.

True. However, around here if you say anything fanbase related you get attacked from all angles for not speaking for everyone. Better to squash that now than get the topic off track.

[maladictor2009]

Point is bioware alienated their main crowd for another crowd that dosnt want them.

So now bioware reputation is in the toilet. And next game will not sell well at all. Hell most people wont even preorder mass effect 3 because of this.

In steps EA with their closing hammer. Somewhere around 2017 the headlines will read (" ill-fated studio closes down")

[Rebecca Black likes DA2]

maladictor2009 wrote...

Point is bioware alienated their main crowd for another crowd that dosnt want them.

So now bioware reputation is in the toilet. And next game will not sell well at all. Hell most people wont even preorder mass effect 3 because of this.

In steps EA with their closing hammer. Somewhere around 2017 the headlines will read (" ill-fated studio closes down")

TOR has no chance in hell of being successful long term.  It looks lame enough and half assed enough on its own accord, but add on top of that it's going to have some crappy company like EA/Biowares name attached to it and it's doomed.

DOOMED I SAY!

[AkiKishi]

maladictor2009 wrote...

Point is bioware alienated their main crowd for another crowd that dosnt want them.

So now bioware reputation is in the toilet. And next game will not sell well at all. Hell most people wont even preorder mass effect 3 because of this.

In steps EA with their closing hammer. Somewhere around 2017 the headlines will read (" ill-fated studio closes down")

Mass Effect will probably be ok. As for what comes after that, anyones guess. The rapid price drop of DA2 probably has a lot of people wondering just how worth it it is to order ME3 early.