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[Warlocomotf]

LPPrince wrote...

LOLWUT

Kaidan wasn't a douche to Thane
Kaidan wasn't a douche to Tali
Kaidan didn't even have a loyalty mission
and Kaidan didn't have an open/closed personality.

You know, Kaidan bored me the most out of the squaddies in ME1. It took many playthroughs and a few years before I respected him and realized that while he's not the most interesting person around, he's still a character and isn't a brick fricking wall.

But Jacob? Jacob is NOTHING.

"Hurr durr, mah name is Jacob. Commander." /summary of all his conversations

Kaidan had Rana. Kaidan had BAAT. Kaidan had Vyrnnus. He had a personality that could be altered. He questioned some of Shepard's actions. He dealt with struggles every day.

Jacob has.....what? Daddy issues? He barely even had daddy issues. He's just.....there.

I'm friendly with him, but if I could go back to Virmire and sacrifice Jacob in his place so that both Ash and Kaidan made it out alive, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Jacob is a door. And behind it is the priiize, apparently.

I actually liked Kaidan. I think the main reason he wasn't popular (ironically) was probably actually that he didn't look attractive. Because past that, he was intelligent, had a healthy outlook on aliens and had a sense of humor.

[The-Person]

Warlocomotf wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

LOLWUT

Kaidan wasn't a douche to Thane
Kaidan wasn't a douche to Tali
Kaidan didn't even have a loyalty mission
and Kaidan didn't have an open/closed personality.

You know, Kaidan bored me the most out of the squaddies in ME1. It took many playthroughs and a few years before I respected him and realized that while he's not the most interesting person around, he's still a character and isn't a brick fricking wall.

But Jacob? Jacob is NOTHING.

"Hurr durr, mah name is Jacob. Commander." /summary of all his conversations

Kaidan had Rana. Kaidan had BAAT. Kaidan had Vyrnnus. He had a personality that could be altered. He questioned some of Shepard's actions. He dealt with struggles every day.

Jacob has.....what? Daddy issues? He barely even had daddy issues. He's just.....there.

I'm friendly with him, but if I could go back to Virmire and sacrifice Jacob in his place so that both Ash and Kaidan made it out alive, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Jacob is a door. And behind it is the priiize, apparently.

I actually liked Kaidan. I think the main reason he wasn't popular (ironically) was probably actually that he didn't look attractive. Because past that, he was intelligent, had a healthy outlook on aliens and had a sense of humor.

No it was because mosy people thought he was a boring character.

[LPPrince]

DxWill10 wrote...

Having the women be attractive is a bad thing? Personally I'm looking forward to ashley's new look. Instead of a silly bun making her look dude-ish, now she'll actually be presented as the attractive female that she is.

Honestly I thought ME1 was more of a teenage boy-ish game regarding romances considering the romance scenes were much more risque than those of ME2

How are buns "dude-ish"?
The bun was a military style, which made sense. Which is what I believe a lot of people on ME1's side want.

Sense over sexualization. A good mix of the two being the best option as far as pleasing both sides.

[LPPrince]

Warlocomotf wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

LOLWUT

Kaidan wasn't a douche to Thane
Kaidan wasn't a douche to Tali
Kaidan didn't even have a loyalty mission
and Kaidan didn't have an open/closed personality.

You know, Kaidan bored me the most out of the squaddies in ME1. It took many playthroughs and a few years before I respected him and realized that while he's not the most interesting person around, he's still a character and isn't a brick fricking wall.

But Jacob? Jacob is NOTHING.

"Hurr durr, mah name is Jacob. Commander." /summary of all his conversations

Kaidan had Rana. Kaidan had BAAT. Kaidan had Vyrnnus. He had a personality that could be altered. He questioned some of Shepard's actions. He dealt with struggles every day.

Jacob has.....what? Daddy issues? He barely even had daddy issues. He's just.....there.

I'm friendly with him, but if I could go back to Virmire and sacrifice Jacob in his place so that both Ash and Kaidan made it out alive, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Jacob is a door. And behind it is the priiize, apparently.

I actually liked Kaidan. I think the main reason he wasn't popular (ironically) was probably actually that he didn't look attractive. Because past that, he was intelligent, had a healthy outlook on aliens and had a sense of humor.

I like him NOW. Too late, cause he's dead, but it wouldn't of changed anything anyway.

Jacob is a stick to Kaidan's boomstick.

[TheKillerAngel]

On the topic of designing female races, I think you should check out how the Guild Wars 2 team designed the female Charr. I think they did a very good job.

http://www.arena.net...in-of-the-charr

[LPPrince]

mrsph wrote...

LPPrince wrote...
Truth. I felt that way probably from 2007 all the way to 2010 before I was like, "Wait. No, this guy's pretty cool, actually."

Even if he IS just there, he's still infinitely more complex than Jacob "Kanye West" Taylor telling his lover that his previous lover is "too good for him" and referring to a "priiize" of some sort.

God I want to punch him in the jaw.

Subjective.

Yes. Its my opinion, not a fact. I find Kaidan overall more interesting than Jacob and will never see it another way.

[88mphSlayer]

it's no secret that a lot of stuff in the Mass Effect games is fan service

MGS4 is still the standard for putting as much fan service as possible in one game tho, anybody remember the part where you could shake the sixaxis to shake a girl's boobs?

[88mphSlayer]

LPPrince wrote...

Warlocomotf wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

LOLWUT

Kaidan wasn't a douche to Thane
Kaidan wasn't a douche to Tali
Kaidan didn't even have a loyalty mission
and Kaidan didn't have an open/closed personality.

You know, Kaidan bored me the most out of the squaddies in ME1. It took many playthroughs and a few years before I respected him and realized that while he's not the most interesting person around, he's still a character and isn't a brick fricking wall.

But Jacob? Jacob is NOTHING.

"Hurr durr, mah name is Jacob. Commander." /summary of all his conversations

Kaidan had Rana. Kaidan had BAAT. Kaidan had Vyrnnus. He had a personality that could be altered. He questioned some of Shepard's actions. He dealt with struggles every day.

Jacob has.....what? Daddy issues? He barely even had daddy issues. He's just.....there.

I'm friendly with him, but if I could go back to Virmire and sacrifice Jacob in his place so that both Ash and Kaidan made it out alive, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Jacob is a door. And behind it is the priiize, apparently.

I actually liked Kaidan. I think the main reason he wasn't popular (ironically) was probably actually that he didn't look attractive. Because past that, he was intelligent, had a healthy outlook on aliens and had a sense of humor.

I like him NOW. Too late, cause he's dead, but it wouldn't of changed anything anyway.

Jacob is a stick to Kaidan's boomstick.

i don't think anybody wants him back as a companion but it'd still be awesome if he came back as some kind of old-spice-guy in advertisements on earth

[LPPrince]

I just want Jacob to disappear. I won't kill him in ME2 as I find that senseless, but come on.

I'll take The Ghost of Kaidan Alenko in combat over him.

[Eudaemonium]

Almostfaceman wrote...

I don't get the hate for Jacob.  Like, at all.  He's a normal guy who's focused on doing his best to beat the "bad guys".  I've always been friends with him in every playthrough.

See, the thing I often say with Jacob is that of every ME character Jacob is the only one I would actually want to know, IRL. The problem is that in a video game filled with seven shades of crazy, that makes him come across as somewhat dull. He doesn't have any issues to fix. He doesn't angst. He's just a stable, decent guy. Heck, I'm pretty sure in LotSB when Liara asks about Jacob, FemShep simply states "he's stable". That's who he is.

As has been noted, I'm not really sure you can hate Jacob - you can ignore him, and he often won't be your favourite character, but it's difficult to hate him. He's also not that useful power and weapons-wise, which tends to mean he gets left behind, particuarly on higher difficulties. He's a good friend to all my Shepards.

[Nashiktal]

Eudaemonium wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

I don't get the hate for Jacob.  Like, at all.  He's a normal guy who's focused on doing his best to beat the "bad guys".  I've always been friends with him in every playthrough.

See, the thing I often say with Jacob is that of every ME character Jacob is the only one I would actually want to know, IRL. The problem is that in a video game filled with seven shades of crazy, that makes him come across as somewhat dull. He doesn't have any issues to fix. He doesn't angst. He's just a stable, decent guy. Heck, I'm pretty sure in LotSB when Liara asks about Jacob, FemShep simply states "he's stable". That's who he is.

As has been noted, I'm not really sure you can hate Jacob - you can ignore him, and he often won't be your favourite character, but it's difficult to hate him. He's also not that useful power and weapons-wise, which tends to mean he gets left behind, particuarly on higher difficulties. He's a good friend to all my Shepards.

This.

That, and I sometimes forget to talk to him in my playthroughs.

[BlackEssence]

LPPrince wrote...

BlackEssence wrote...

Warlocomotf wrote...

Its not that I hate Jacob, I'm sure he's a perfectly nice guy. But... He is just not at all interesting.

Things I didn't like about Jacob;
- His welcome to Thane
- "Don't forget to introduce yourself to the ship's AI"
- His behaviour during his loyalty mission
- His open *and* closed personality

You know, this sounds like another person I know....starts with a "K" and rhymes with "Raidan".

LOLWUT

Kaidan wasn't a douche to Thane
Kaidan wasn't a douche to Tali
Kaidan didn't even have a loyalty mission
and Kaidan didn't have an open/closed personality.

You know, Kaidan bored me the most out of the squaddies in ME1. It took many playthroughs and a few years before I respected him and realized that while he's not the most interesting person around, he's still a character and isn't a brick fricking wall.

But Jacob? Jacob is NOTHING.

"Hurr durr, mah name is Jacob. Commander." /summary of all his conversations

Kaidan had Rana. Kaidan had BAAT. Kaidan had Vyrnnus. He had a personality that could be altered. He questioned some of Shepard's actions. He dealt with struggles every day.

Jacob has.....what? Daddy issues? He barely even had daddy issues. He's just.....there.

I'm friendly with him, but if I could go back to Virmire and sacrifice Jacob in his place so that both Ash and Kaidan made it out alive, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Jacob is a door. And behind it is the priiize, apparently.

Totally not surprised at this kind of thinking about Jacob. Saying that Jacob has "Daddy issues" is one of the most IGNORANT and shallowminded statements I have ever read. You have just insulted every single child in this world who are going through parental issues like this. There are people in REAL life who have issues with their fathers be it not having one because of A: He's a deadbeat, B: He is in prison, or C: He's dead. So, basically, you are saying that anyone with these issues are of no concern and need to "get over it" because those kinds of problems are not worth caring about or even showing compassion for. That is what you ignorant statement screamed to me and the fact that you said this about the ONE BLACK playable character in the game shows me who you really are on the other side of that computer.

So, tell me. Would Jacob have been more easier to relate to if he was a black stereotype: 

1: Troubled kid with no father and disobediant to his mother.

2: Got caught up with gangs and drugs, which influenced him to drop out of school at a young age so that when he speaks, he sounds like a uneducated ****** with a personality 15 year old?

3: And last, but not least, he complains about not getting ahead in life due to others in high power keeping him down?


Would that have satisfied you? Sometimes I cannot believe what comes out of people's mouths. Did you even give him a chance to understand his character? 

[Warlocomotf]

Nashiktal wrote...

Eudaemonium wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

I don't get the hate for Jacob.  Like, at all.  He's a normal guy who's focused on doing his best to beat the "bad guys".  I've always been friends with him in every playthrough.

See, the thing I often say with Jacob is that of every ME character Jacob is the only one I would actually want to know, IRL. The problem is that in a video game filled with seven shades of crazy, that makes him come across as somewhat dull. He doesn't have any issues to fix. He doesn't angst. He's just a stable, decent guy. Heck, I'm pretty sure in LotSB when Liara asks about Jacob, FemShep simply states "he's stable". That's who he is.

As has been noted, I'm not really sure you can hate Jacob - you can ignore him, and he often won't be your favourite character, but it's difficult to hate him. He's also not that useful power and weapons-wise, which tends to mean he gets left behind, particuarly on higher difficulties. He's a good friend to all my Shepards.

This.

That, and I sometimes forget to talk to him in my playthroughs.

I disagree, on top of being boring, he also whines like there's no tomorrow. About his father, about thane, about not getting recognition from the alliance. He even whines about being told where his father is.

You can call Kaidan boring all you want, but he had a sense of humor (ie; when you walk into Chora's den with him and Ashley for the first time), he's got his priorities straight, he's got a healthy outlook on aliens, he's not "anti government", and he doesn't whine despite legitimately having things to complain about.

[Urdnot Orrad]

BlackEssence wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

BlackEssence wrote...

Warlocomotf wrote...

Its not that I hate Jacob, I'm sure he's a perfectly nice guy. But... He is just not at all interesting.

Things I didn't like about Jacob;
- His welcome to Thane
- "Don't forget to introduce yourself to the ship's AI"
- His behaviour during his loyalty mission
- His open *and* closed personality

You know, this sounds like another person I know....starts with a "K" and rhymes with "Raidan".

LOLWUT

Kaidan wasn't a douche to Thane
Kaidan wasn't a douche to Tali
Kaidan didn't even have a loyalty mission
and Kaidan didn't have an open/closed personality.

You know, Kaidan bored me the most out of the squaddies in ME1. It took many playthroughs and a few years before I respected him and realized that while he's not the most interesting person around, he's still a character and isn't a brick fricking wall.

But Jacob? Jacob is NOTHING.

"Hurr durr, mah name is Jacob. Commander." /summary of all his conversations

Kaidan had Rana. Kaidan had BAAT. Kaidan had Vyrnnus. He had a personality that could be altered. He questioned some of Shepard's actions. He dealt with struggles every day.

Jacob has.....what? Daddy issues? He barely even had daddy issues. He's just.....there.

I'm friendly with him, but if I could go back to Virmire and sacrifice Jacob in his place so that both Ash and Kaidan made it out alive, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

Jacob is a door. And behind it is the priiize, apparently.

Totally not surprised at this kind of thinking about Jacob. Saying that Jacob has "Daddy issues" is one of the most IGNORANT and shallowminded statements I have ever read. You have just insulted every single child in this world who are going through parental issues like this. There are people in REAL life who have issues with their fathers be it not having one because of A: He's a deadbeat, B: He is in prison, or C: He's dead. So, basically, you are saying that anyone with these issues are of no concern and need to "get over it" because those kinds of problems are not worth caring about or even showing compassion for. That is what you ignorant statement screamed to me and the fact that you said this about the ONE BLACK playable character in the game shows me who you really are on the other side of that computer.

So, tell me. Would Jacob have been more easier to relate to if he was a black stereotype: 

1: Troubled kid with no father and disobediant to his mother.

2: Got caught up with gangs and drugs, which influenced him to drop out of school at a young age so that when he speaks, he sounds like a uneducated ****** with a personality 15 year old?

3: And last, but not least, he complains about not getting ahead in life due to others in high power keeping him down?


Would that have satisfied you? Sometimes I cannot believe what comes out of people's mouths. Did you even give him a chance to understand his character? 

Funnily enough... I was one of those kids. Never knew my dad, but I'm long past caring about it.

[Praetor Knight]

Hmm...






Seriously though, I hope ME3 does not get more "sexed up" than ME2 was. Samara in particular, a warrior monk dressed like that?


And I can't stand a lot of that anime stuff, cuz of how too many characters are portrayed, especially female characters.

But at the same time, I'm not too worried about character personalities going into the third installment, just how characters are dressed/ presented in ME3.

[ScepticMatt]

I agree 100% with the OP.
IMO:  I'm pro nudity where they make sense, e.g. sex scenes. But sterotypical character and outfit design and romance makes me cringe sometimes. Do we really need our squad to fight in superhearo costumes (e.g. spandex / armor with LED lights), but on the other hand have sex with cloths on? The way they handled that in ME2/DA2 makes me wonder if they consciously designed a M rated game to be cool for teens. While Bioware is not the worst offender, they clearly made steps backwards from ME1.

/Edit: added pic:
http://www.nerfnow.com/comic/image/481

Modifié par ScepticMatt, 22 avril 2011 - 09:18 .

[BlackEssence]

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

Funnily enough... I was one of those kids. Never knew my dad, but I'm long past caring about it.

@Urdnot Orrad: lol! Didn't Jacob say the same exact thing? lol!

[Warlocomotf]

BlackEssence wrote...

Totally not surprised at this kind of thinking about Jacob. Saying that Jacob has "Daddy issues" is one of the most IGNORANT and shallowminded statements I have ever read. You have just insulted every single child in this world who are going through parental issues like this. There are people in REAL life who have issues with their fathers be it not having one because of A: He's a deadbeat, B: He is in prison, or C: He's dead. So, basically, you are saying that anyone with these issues are of no concern and need to "get over it" because those kinds of problems are not worth caring about or even showing compassion for. That is what you ignorant statement screamed to me and the fact that you said this about the ONE BLACK playable character in the game shows me who you really are on the other side of that computer.

Why does this have to come down to him being black? The problem isn't that he had a troubled past- it's that one moment he acts like he's dealt with it, the next he acts like it's important, then like he doesn't care- then that he wants to go see him, then that he's 'not any father i know'.

Miranda has "daddy issues", but you know what? She deals with it in a much less annoying way.

[Warlocomotf]

mrsph wrote...

Jacob is the least whiny character in the game.

And whiny is a poor term to apply to a character.

How can you say that? Tell me one thing he talks about that he does not also complain about.

[edit]

mrsph wrote...

Warlocomotf wrote...
Miranda has "daddy issues", but you know what? She deals with it in a much less annoying way.

By complaining about not being perfect enough.

She never complains about not being perfect enough, if anything she says she didn't want to be 'perfect'. She'd rather earn her respect.

Modifié par Warlocomotf, 22 avril 2011 - 09:19 .

[BlackEssence]

Warlocomotf wrote...

BlackEssence wrote...

Totally not surprised at this kind of thinking about Jacob. Saying that Jacob has "Daddy issues" is one of the most IGNORANT and shallowminded statements I have ever read. You have just insulted every single child in this world who are going through parental issues like this. There are people in REAL life who have issues with their fathers be it not having one because of A: He's a deadbeat, B: He is in prison, or C: He's dead. So, basically, you are saying that anyone with these issues are of no concern and need to "get over it" because those kinds of problems are not worth caring about or even showing compassion for. That is what you ignorant statement screamed to me and the fact that you said this about the ONE BLACK playable character in the game shows me who you really are on the other side of that computer.

Why does this have to come down to him being black? The problem isn't that he had a troubled past- it's that one moment he acts like he's dealt with it, the next he acts like it's important, then like he doesn't care- then that he wants to go see him, then that he's 'not any father i know'.

Miranda has "daddy issues", but you know what? She deals with it in a much less annoying way.

Call me crazy, but just as you do with Miranda, she tells you about her daddy issues and goes on and on about how perfect she was made to be. Who is she trying to convince, you or herself? You don't hear anything like that from Jacob. He tells you the issues about his father with straight facts without trying to grab at the air for sympathy like Miranda does and yet everyone is ok with that, but the world is about to end when it comes to Jacob? He didn't WANT to talk about it. You had to probe him to talk, but Miranda throws it out at you and goes on and on about it, but no one wants to acknowledge that, so everyone wants to pick on Jacob? I am seeing double standards coming from all angles. That is sad. Very sad.

Right.

Modifié par BlackEssence, 22 avril 2011 - 09:21 .

[Urdnot Orrad]

BlackEssence wrote...

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

Funnily enough... I was one of those kids. Never knew my dad, but I'm long past caring about it.

@Urdnot Orrad: lol! Didn't Jacob say the same exact thing? lol!

Yeah, I think he did. Now that I think on it, maybe that's part of why I like him-- it must have been a subconscious thing, but it's not often I have something in common, life-history-wise, with a video game character.

Modifié par Urdnot Orrad, 22 avril 2011 - 09:19 .

[Urdnot Orrad]

mrsph wrote...

Warlocomotf wrote...
How can you say that? Tell me one thing he talks about that he does not also complain about.

Name me a character that doesn't complain. Period.

Legion. As an AI, it doesn't so much "complain" as inform and inquire.