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[atheelogos]

Mesina2 wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

And I think Jack would want that.


God I love that Jack's line in Legion LM.

what does she say?

If you screwed with my head, make me nod and smile and everything, I would rather you blew my head of. Let me die as me.

thanks. Also she needs hair now.. lol

[Thompson family]

14 pages and almost 400 replies -- over cleavage.

[Bluko]

Well I had a pretty good explanation typed up that summed up my feelings, but I closed my browser by accident.


So I'll be breif for a change.

I share a similar concern that ME3 will go more the ME2 way of things where sex appeal > common sense. This is just based off the character redesign of Ashley, since it frankly it seems out of character for her being the tough female soldier type that wears heavy armor. I mean I won't lie I like the sexy outfits on female characters as much as any other guy. And usually I'm the last to complain about such things, but it feels out of place in Mass Effect. It seems to pander to that lowest common denominator and that is us guys who like boobs (and dat ass). This is fine in something oh say like Mortal Kombat, since it's purposely kind of cheesy (and pretty much made solely for guys). But Mass Effect is suppose or at least I thought was something that considered itself a reasonably serious Sci-Fi universe. I mean let's leave the metal bikinis and skimpy outfits to stuff like Star Wars mmmkay?

Maybe I'm a minority, but I think female characters can look just as sexy in full armor as they can with a catsuit.

See this is kind of sexy and more importantly looks sensible to wear into combat:



This just seems to be sexy more or less...

(Psst samara I think you left your zipper down!)

Modifié par Bluko, 23 avril 2011 - 01:56 .

[N7 Vanguard]

Thompson family wrote...

14 pages and almost 400 replies -- over cleavage.

He didn't read the thread I guess. Realism>Cleavage. Interesting Characters>Cleavage. Actual armor capable of protection>cleavage.

[Pwener2313]

Thompson family wrote...

14 pages and almost 400 replies -- over cleavage.

It's not the thread, it's the OP. Cheez is like honey to these "one handed" fan boys. Isn't anyone except a few of us immune to Cheez's spell? Ever since everyone found out he was a she, they all fell over heels for her and respond and quote her posts just to say they agree. That's what this thread is, a bunch of ass kissing of the shameful kind. I am very disappointed people. I was there when they found out she was a girl, and ever since she's the goddess of the forums or something.

[N7 Vanguard]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

14 pages and almost 400 replies -- over cleavage.

It's not the thread, it's the OP. Cheez is like honey to these "one handed" fan boys. Isn't anyone except a few of us immune to Cheez's spell? Ever since everyone found out he was a she, they all fell over heels for her and respond and quote her posts just to say they agree. That's what this thread is, a bunch of ass kissing of the shameful kind. I am very disappointed people. I was there when they found out she was a girl, and ever since she's the goddess of the forums or something.

I hope you are trolling.

[Urdnot Orrad]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

14 pages and almost 400 replies -- over cleavage.

It's not the thread, it's the OP. Cheez is like honey to these "one handed" fan boys. Isn't anyone except a few of us immune to Cheez's spell? Ever since everyone found out he was a she, they all fell over heels for her and respond and quote her posts just to say they agree. That's what this thread is, a bunch of ass kissing of the shameful kind. I am very disappointed people. I was there when they found out she was a girl, and ever since she's the goddess of the forums or something.

Well, I just found out today, so....

[Pwener2313]

N7 Vanguard wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

14 pages and almost 400 replies -- over cleavage.

It's not the thread, it's the OP. Cheez is like honey to these "one handed" fan boys. Isn't anyone except a few of us immune to Cheez's spell? Ever since everyone found out he was a she, they all fell over heels for her and respond and quote her posts just to say they agree. That's what this thread is, a bunch of ass kissing of the shameful kind. I am very disappointed people. I was there when they found out she was a girl, and ever since she's the goddess of the forums or something.

I hope you are trolling.

sadly, i am not. Don't gety me wrong, Cheez is great and I love the chats I have with her, it's the people who are infatuated with her. They give man a bad name. This whole thread is just proof of it.

If I had made this thread, it would have ended in 3 posts.

[Seboist]

Bluko wrote...

Well I had a pretty good explanation typed up that summed up my feelings, but I closed my browser by accident.


So I'll be breif for a change.

I share a similar concern that ME3 will go more the ME2 way of things where sex appeal > common sense. This is just based off the character redesign of Ashley, since it frankly it seems out of character for her being the tough female soldier type that wears heavy armor. I mean I won't lie I like the sexy outfits on female characters as much as any other guy. And usually I'm the last to complain about such things, but it feels out of place in Mass Effect. It seems to pander to that lowest common denominator and that is us guys who like boobs (and dat ass). This is fine in something oh say like Mortal Kombat, since it's purposely kind of cheesy (and pretty much made solely for guys). But Mass Effect is suppose or at least I thought was something that considered itself a reasonably serious Sci-Fi universe. I mean let's leave the metal bikinis and skimpy outfits to stuff like Star Wars mmmkay?

Maybe I'm a minority, but I think female characters can look just as sexy in full armor as they can with a catsuit.

See this is kind of sexy and more importantly looks sensible to wear into combat:



This just seems to be sexy more or less...

(Psst samara I think you left your zipper down!)

What's even more weird is that Morinth dresses more modestly than Samara.



Shouldn't it have been the other way around?

[AngelicMachinery]

Bluko wrote...




This just seems to be sexy more or less...

(Psst samara I think you left your zipper down!)

If she had barrier I could accept this.

[Lady of the Waters]

@N7 Vangaurd - Are you referring to Miranda when you mention cleavage? Because she doesn't actually show any (unless you count her romance scene). She's covered neck to feet, albeit in a remarkably tight uniform with heels.

[Bluko]

Seboist wrote...
Shouldn't it have been the other way around?

Yeah this is always makes me LOL.

*Shepard grabs Morinth's hand*

Shepard:"I'm sorry Morinth, but your mom is hotter to me."

Morinth:"You son of-!"

Modifié par Bluko, 23 avril 2011 - 02:12 .

[Lady of the Waters]

Anyway, hopefully they include Miri's DLC armor in ME3.

[N7 Vanguard]

Pwener2313 wrote...

N7 Vanguard wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

14 pages and almost 400 replies -- over cleavage.

It's not the thread, it's the OP. Cheez is like honey to these "one handed" fan boys. Isn't anyone except a few of us immune to Cheez's spell? Ever since everyone found out he was a she, they all fell over heels for her and respond and quote her posts just to say they agree. That's what this thread is, a bunch of ass kissing of the shameful kind. I am very disappointed people. I was there when they found out she was a girl, and ever since she's the goddess of the forums or something.

I hope you are trolling.

sadly, i am not. Don't gety me wrong, Cheez is great and I love the chats I have with her, it's the people who are infatuated with her. They give man a bad name. This whole thread is just proof of it.

If I had made this thread, it would have ended in 3 posts.

Well I didn't know it was a girl until you said so, I think this is a good thread because she wrote a well made post that stresses a lot of issues that a lot of people have with the series. I am tired of the excessive sexual attitude of every female character that bioware makes now. I noticed it is a recent trend starting in DA:O. I just think it is time for change and I am sure that other people do too.

[N7 Vanguard]

Lady of the Waters wrote...

@N7 Vangaurd - Are you referring to Miranda when you mention cleavage? Because she doesn't actually show any (unless you count her romance scene). She's covered neck to feet, albeit in a remarkably tight uniform with heels.

Just the outfits that they give every female companion in the newer games. Just look at Jack, Samara, or Miranda.

[Seboist]

Bluko wrote...

Seboist wrote...
Shouldn't it have been the other way around?

Yeah this is always makes me LOL.

*Shepard grabs Morinth's hand*

Shepard:"I'm sorry Morinth, but your mom is hotter to me."

Morinth:"You son of-!"

It really is LOLworthy and Morinth is the one out trying to seduce people.

The folks at Bioware couldn't see how contradictory the whole thing was apparently.

[Pwener2313]

But ME one big contradiction anyway?

[Urdnot Orrad]

N7 Vanguard wrote...

Lady of the Waters wrote...

@N7 Vangaurd - Are you referring to Miranda when you mention cleavage? Because she doesn't actually show any (unless you count her romance scene). She's covered neck to feet, albeit in a remarkably tight uniform with heels.

Just the outfits that they give every female companion in the newer games. Just look at Jack, Samara, or Miranda.

Jack doesn't have any cleavage to speak of. It would distract from those tattoos if she did.

[Seboist]

N7 Vanguard wrote...

Lady of the Waters wrote...

@N7 Vangaurd - Are you referring to Miranda when you mention cleavage? Because she doesn't actually show any (unless you count her romance scene). She's covered neck to feet, albeit in a remarkably tight uniform with heels.

Just the outfits that they give every female companion in the newer games. Just look at Jack, Samara, or Miranda.

Despite my issues with Miranda and Samara's outfits I thought Jack's outfit suited her perfectly. She's supposed to be this trashy criminal with mental issues that engages in casual sex without second thought not some trained officer or a follower of a strict religious code.

The problem with Jack lies when she's operating in a hostile enviroment with only a breather mask......

[mereck7980]

N7 Vanguard wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

N7 Vanguard wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

14 pages and almost 400 replies -- over cleavage.

It's not the thread, it's the OP. Cheez is like honey to these "one handed" fan boys. Isn't anyone except a few of us immune to Cheez's spell? Ever since everyone found out he was a she, they all fell over heels for her and respond and quote her posts just to say they agree. That's what this thread is, a bunch of ass kissing of the shameful kind. I am very disappointed people. I was there when they found out she was a girl, and ever since she's the goddess of the forums or something.

I hope you are trolling.

sadly, i am not. Don't gety me wrong, Cheez is great and I love the chats I have with her, it's the people who are infatuated with her. They give man a bad name. This whole thread is just proof of it.

If I had made this thread, it would have ended in 3 posts.

Well I didn't know it was a girl until you said so, I think this is a good thread because she wrote a well made post that stresses a lot of issues that a lot of people have with the series. I am tired of the excessive sexual attitude of every female character that bioware makes now. I noticed it is a recent trend starting in DA:O. I just think it is time for change and I am sure that other people do too.

Can you describe your ideal representation of a female character?  I mean, besides sexualized physical character models.  I would understand all this angst more if all the women in BW games looked/acted like the characters in the new Mortal Kombat game, but I really don't see any overtly sexualized people in BW games.  Well maybe Isabella from DA2 but that isn't ME. 

If Miranda's anatomy more accurately represented the person she was based
on (Yvonne Strahovski) and she was wearing a standard hardsuit would she
still bother you?  I like her character, she isn't static and her
dialogue is pretty well written.  There are some issues, like the way
she turns on Cerberus out of the blue at the end if you bring her to the
final boss fight.  But, overall she doesn't come across as a bimbo or a
weak woman.  What about her character (besides her physical attributes)
upsets you so much? 

[AngelicMachinery]

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

N7 Vanguard wrote...

Lady of the Waters wrote...

@N7 Vangaurd - Are you referring to Miranda when you mention cleavage? Because she doesn't actually show any (unless you count her romance scene). She's covered neck to feet, albeit in a remarkably tight uniform with heels.

Just the outfits that they give every female companion in the newer games. Just look at Jack, Samara, or Miranda.

Jack doesn't have any cleavage to speak of. It would distract from those tattoos if she did.

She might not have much of a chest,  but, she has the best lips on the Normandy.

[Urdnot Orrad]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

N7 Vanguard wrote...

Lady of the Waters wrote...

@N7 Vangaurd - Are you referring to Miranda when you mention cleavage? Because she doesn't actually show any (unless you count her romance scene). She's covered neck to feet, albeit in a remarkably tight uniform with heels.

Just the outfits that they give every female companion in the newer games. Just look at Jack, Samara, or Miranda.

Jack doesn't have any cleavage to speak of. It would distract from those tattoos if she did.

She might not have much of a chest,  but, she has the best lips on the Normandy.

*considers a response*

That... I must agree with you on.

[Legbiter]

Pwener2313 wrote...

sadly, i am not. Don't gety me wrong, Cheez is great and I love the chats I have with her, it's the people who are infatuated with her. They give man a bad name. This whole thread is just proof of it.

If I had made this thread, it would have ended in 3 posts.

I believe that what Pwener is trying to say is that since Cheez as a female nerd among mostly male nerds, has a given  rockstar sexual market value due to scarcity in this setting. Even if she looks in RL like someone only a mother could love.
 
Hence, by implication this whole thread can be seen in the harsh glare of anthropology as her starting an inane female hamster wheel thread, and the rest is just padding provided by beta male losers hoping to outdo each other in agreeing with her.

Sure, we've had plenty of those, but I like to think that enough views were posted for this thread to be considered nuanced, even by Bioware standards..

Modifié par Legbiter, 23 avril 2011 - 02:50 .

[Bluko]

wizardryforever wrote...

As for the topic of fanservice, I have to ask, why do people think fanservice = bad?  People dismiss something as fanservice like it can't possibly have value if there's anything fanservicy about it.  Take Miranda.  People see her outfit (and the camera angles don't help) and say "oh, she's just fanservice, she all ****** and ass."  Which is actually just as shallow because you're judging her by her looks before learning anything about her character.  The very same thing that people claim fanservice exploits.  People judge things as fanservice and then write off those things (a whole race, in the Asari's case) as being beneath them, and possibly deplorable.  Why is this?  People should know that sexiness /= shallowness, and a hot bod does not mean no brain or no personality.  I'm curious as to why people make this assumption, while at the same time acting like they're better because they don't like the fanservice.

Anyway, Mass Effect 1 & 2 are nowhere near as bad as other games (neither was Oblivion) can be.  See that picture posted earlier for true oversexualization.

The problem is finding a balance of something that is still attractive, but not so that it appears blantantly done so.

I can appreciate Miranda's butt, but why does it need to be shown off? No offense, but it does come off as a bit  tasteless.  It seems to have been done just to get those who would normally ignore her entirely and instead start to think of her as "hot" and then "how can I get her to take off her virtual clothes?". Not saying this isn't a real world phenomenon either, cause obviously sex sells very well. It's just I'd like to think Bioware is a little more classy then that.

I don't blame Bioware for making the characters attractive, but it just feels like they're going a little too far to do that. True what's attractive is very subjective based on who you're talking to, but you can't pretend that some things aren't more or less considered universally attractive. And this doesn't just apply to female characters as Thane and Jacob to a degree had the same stuff going on. Though I can't judge those sort of things as well being a male myself.

Think of it this way. How would you feel if Jacob always had his shirt off? Dunno about you, but I'd basically be like "Hey Jacob those are great abs you got, but you should like wear some armor in case you get shot in the chest."

It just comes as stupid that some of these Characters apparently have no modesty about how they dress or look, nor do they seem to care how vainfully exposed they are. It's just harder to take them as serious characters as result when they look like they're getting ready for the galactic beauty pagent, when they should be getting ready for a life or death mission. It just seems odd in a game where the main character literally dies from exposure to a vacuum and there are bullets flying around everywhere. I don't care if your rack is the soure of your Biotic power or where you keep all your belongings. Wear some gud-damn real armor!

[Urdnot Orrad]

Legbiter wrote...

Pwener2313 wrote...

sadly, i am not. Don't gety me wrong, Cheez is great and I love the chats I have with her, it's the people who are infatuated with her. They give man a bad name. This whole thread is just proof of it.

If I had made this thread, it would have ended in 3 posts.

I believe that what Pwener is trying to say is that since Cheez as a female nerd among mostly male nerds, that gives her rockstar sexual market value due to scarcity in this setting. Even if she looks in RL like someone only a mother could love.
 
Hence, by implication this whole thread can be seen in the harsh glare of anthropology as her starting an inane female hamster wheel thread, and the rest is just padding provided by beta male losers hoping to outdo each other in agreeing with her.

Sure, we've had plenty of those, but I like to think that enough views were posted for this thread to be considered nuanced, even by Bioware standards..

Yeah... that's like, 1 + 1 = 2, dude. LOL... I remember back on Myspace, the old forum community I was in for two years had like... maybe ONE female who posted regularly, and she didn't look bad... we all knew a few of the guys had crushes on her, despite that most of us were in the US and she was in Britain.