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[Relix28]

You humans are all virgins.

[N7 Vanguard]

mereck7980 wrote...
Can you describe your ideal representation of a female character?  I mean, besides sexualized physical character models.  I would understand all this angst more if all the women in BW games looked/acted like the characters in the new Mortal Kombat game, but I really don't see any overtly sexualized people in BW games.  Well maybe Isabella from DA2 but that isn't ME. 

If Miranda's anatomy more accurately represented the person she was based
on (Yvonne Strahovski) and she was wearing a standard hardsuit would she
still bother you?  I like her character, she isn't static and her
dialogue is pretty well written.  There are some issues, like the way
she turns on Cerberus out of the blue at the end if you bring her to the
final boss fight.  But, overall she doesn't come across as a bimbo or a
weak woman.  What about her character (besides her physical attributes)
upsets you so much? 

She said herself if she was in charge of the lazarous project she would implanted you with a mind control device but the Illusive man stopped her. But her character wasnt the problem like I said in the other thread that got locked. It was mostly the outfit and the way bioware represented her. She doesn't come of as a bimbo but the clothing... Just look at the women of Mass Effect 1 compared to 2, there wasn't any camera zoom-ins on the asses or breast but now they do it for every female companion you can romance. I am tired of every female having a skin tight suit instead of conventional armor. I understand Miranda having "the perfect body" because of her genetic enhancements but I don't know that stuff just kind of irritates me.

Look at Ashley in the first one. She was a strong strict soldier, compared to the screen of her in ME3 she looks exactly like Miranda almost, big breast, skin tight suit, the hair is down now. I know it is only one picture, but when that is the first picture of a character that you have portrayed to be a strong uniformed soldier ends up being a more laid back type it isn't right. If that makes sense. I hope I am wrong.

[TheScrogging]

how bout u stfu and enjoy good game yes

[wizardryforever]

Bluko wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

As for the topic of fanservice, I have to ask, why do people think fanservice = bad?  People dismiss something as fanservice like it can't possibly have value if there's anything fanservicy about it.  Take Miranda.  People see her outfit (and the camera angles don't help) and say "oh, she's just fanservice, she all ****** and ass."  Which is actually just as shallow because you're judging her by her looks before learning anything about her character.  The very same thing that people claim fanservice exploits.  People judge things as fanservice and then write off those things (a whole race, in the Asari's case) as being beneath them, and possibly deplorable.  Why is this?  People should know that sexiness /= shallowness, and a hot bod does not mean no brain or no personality.  I'm curious as to why people make this assumption, while at the same time acting like they're better because they don't like the fanservice.

Anyway, Mass Effect 1 & 2 are nowhere near as bad as other games (neither was Oblivion) can be.  See that picture posted earlier for true oversexualization.

The problem is finding a balance of something that is still attractive, but not so that it appears blantantly done so.

I can appreciate Miranda's butt, but why does it need to be shown off? No offense, but it does come off as a bit  tasteless.  It seems to have been done just to get those who would normally ignore her entirely and instead start to think of her as "hot" and then "how can I get her to take off her virtual clothes?". Not saying this isn't a real world phenomenon either, cause obviously sex sells very well. It's just I'd like to think Bioware is a little more classy then that.

I don't blame Bioware for making the characters attractive, but it just feels like they're going a little too far to do that. True what's attractive is very subjective based on who you're talking to, but you can't pretend that some things aren't more or less considered universally attractive. And this doesn't just apply to female characters as Thane and Jacob to a degree had the same stuff going on. Though I can't judge those sort of things as well being a male myself.

Think of it this way. How would you feel if Jacob always had his shirt off? Dunno about you, but I'd basically be like "Hey Jacob those are great abs you got, but you should like wear some armor in case you get shot in the chest."

It just comes as stupid that some of these Characters apparently have no modesty about how they dress or look, nor do they seem to care how vainfully exposed they are. It's just harder to take them as serious characters as result when they look like they're getting ready for the galactic beauty pagent, when they should be getting ready for a life or death mission. It just seems odd in a game where the main character literally dies from exposure to a vacuum and there are bullets flying around everywhere. I don't care if your rack is the soure of your Biotic power or where you keep all your belongings. Wear some gud-damn real armor!

Really, I think the only thing that was annoying about Miranda's appearance was the camera angles.  Other than that, I didn't think much of it outside of my initial reaction.  I personally think that people put far too much importance on clothing, and appearance in general.  I honestly would not care if all the characters were ugly, butt naked, or wearing burkas.  Appearance means almost nothing to me.  Why should it matter how someone is dressed?  Especially in a fictional setting?  That's what I don't get.  Why is it such a big deal?  I can understand wanting realism to an extent, but clothing is mostly one of those acceptable breaks from reality.  I can deal with it as long as the rest of the game is largely free of such breaks.  Apparently others either can't, or they have fewer acceptable breaks from reality.

[Iakus]

Bluko wrote...

Well I had a pretty good explanation typed up that summed up my feelings, but I closed my browser by accident.


So I'll be breif for a change.

I share a similar concern that ME3 will go more the ME2 way of things where sex appeal > common sense. This is just based off the character redesign of Ashley, since it frankly it seems out of character for her being the tough female soldier type that wears heavy armor. I mean I won't lie I like the sexy outfits on female characters as much as any other guy. And usually I'm the last to complain about such things, but it feels out of place in Mass Effect. It seems to pander to that lowest common denominator and that is us guys who like boobs (and dat ass). This is fine in something oh say like Mortal Kombat, since it's purposely kind of cheesy (and pretty much made solely for guys). But Mass Effect is suppose or at least I thought was something that considered itself a reasonably serious Sci-Fi universe. I mean let's leave the metal bikinis and skimpy outfits to stuff like Star Wars mmmkay?

Maybe I'm a minority, but I think female characters can look just as sexy in full armor as they can with a catsuit.

See this is kind of sexy and more importantly looks sensible to wear into combat:



This just seems to be sexy more or less...

(Psst samara I think you left your zipper down!)

I was gonna post somthing in support of "women can look attractive without stripperific armor" But your post pretty much says it all.  So I'll just shut up now and hope the designers are paying attention.

[Sigyn2011]

N7 Vanguard wrote...

mereck7980 wrote...
Can you describe your ideal representation of a female character?  I mean, besides sexualized physical character models.  I would understand all this angst more if all the women in BW games looked/acted like the characters in the new Mortal Kombat game, but I really don't see any overtly sexualized people in BW games.  Well maybe Isabella from DA2 but that isn't ME. 

If Miranda's anatomy more accurately represented the person she was based
on (Yvonne Strahovski) and she was wearing a standard hardsuit would she
still bother you?  I like her character, she isn't static and her
dialogue is pretty well written.  There are some issues, like the way
she turns on Cerberus out of the blue at the end if you bring her to the
final boss fight.  But, overall she doesn't come across as a bimbo or a
weak woman.  What about her character (besides her physical attributes)
upsets you so much? 

She said herself if she was in charge of the lazarous project she would implanted you with a mind control device but the Illusive man stopped her. But her character wasnt the problem like I said in the other thread that got locked. It was mostly the outfit and the way bioware represented her. She doesn't come of as a bimbo but the clothing... Just look at the women of Mass Effect 1 compared to 2, there wasn't any camera zoom-ins on the asses or breast but now they do it for every female companion you can romance. I am tired of every female having a skin tight suit instead of conventional armor. I understand Miranda having "the perfect body" because of her genetic enhancements but I don't know that stuff just kind of irritates me.

Look at Ashley in the first one. She was a strong strict soldier, compared to the screen of her in ME3 she looks exactly like Miranda almost, big breast, skin tight suit, the hair is down now. I know it is only one picture, but when that is the first picture of a character that you have portrayed to be a strong uniformed soldier ends up being a more laid back type it isn't right. If that makes sense. I hope I am wrong.

Glad to hear that I'm not alone in my thoughts either about the oversexualized designs, too.  I swear that I thought Miranda was going to topple over if she hadn't been hanging onto her desk a couple of times.  Let's face it--the video game vixens and man candies will never completely go away.  But when I first saw that photo, I had absolutely no idea that that was Ashley until I read the caption.  If you're going to do a redesign, why not do it in the second game to a trilogy?  

[mereck7980]

N7 Vanguard wrote...

mereck7980 wrote...
Can you describe your ideal representation of a female character?  I mean, besides sexualized physical character models.  I would understand all this angst more if all the women in BW games looked/acted like the characters in the new Mortal Kombat game, but I really don't see any overtly sexualized people in BW games.  Well maybe Isabella from DA2 but that isn't ME. 

If Miranda's anatomy more accurately represented the person she was based
on (Yvonne Strahovski) and she was wearing a standard hardsuit would she
still bother you?  I like her character, she isn't static and her
dialogue is pretty well written.  There are some issues, like the way
she turns on Cerberus out of the blue at the end if you bring her to the
final boss fight.  But, overall she doesn't come across as a bimbo or a
weak woman.  What about her character (besides her physical attributes)
upsets you so much? 

She said herself if she was in charge of the lazarous project she would implanted you with a mind control device but the Illusive man stopped her. But her character wasnt the problem like I said in the other thread that got locked. It was mostly the outfit and the way bioware represented her. She doesn't come of as a bimbo but the clothing... Just look at the women of Mass Effect 1 compared to 2, there wasn't any camera zoom-ins on the asses or breast but now they do it for every female companion you can romance. I am tired of every female having a skin tight suit instead of conventional armor. I understand Miranda having "the perfect body" because of her genetic enhancements but I don't know that stuff just kind of irritates me.

Look at Ashley in the first one. She was a strong strict soldier, compared to the screen of her in ME3 she looks exactly like Miranda almost, big breast, skin tight suit, the hair is down now. I know it is only one picture, but when that is the first picture of a character that you have portrayed to be a strong uniformed soldier ends up being a more laid back type it isn't right. If that makes sense. I hope I am wrong.

I might have had a problem with the way Miranda was represented if she wore an outfit similar to Jack's.  The catsuit doens't reveal anything, it only outlines the contours of Miranda's body.  Jacob's outfit does the same thing (and they do show quite a few butt shots of him in game too).  I will admit that Miranda gets more love from the camera, but it just doesn't bother me.  

In my case I don't think this is out of line because I grew up reading comic books.  Spandex was the order of the day, and while I know ME isn't a comic book (wait... it actually is a comic book isn't it:)) representing some of the characters in standard clothing just seems par for the course in Sci Fi.  At least BW released the Alt App pack 2 that gives Miri a full set of combat armor.  Maybe that same option will be available in ME3 for both Ash and Miri at launch, so you can play the game and have all their physical features covered.  Who knows...

Modifié par mereck7980, 23 avril 2011 - 03:07 .

[N7 Vanguard]

mereck7980 wrote...

N7 Vanguard wrote...

mereck7980 wrote...
Can you describe your ideal representation of a female character?  I mean, besides sexualized physical character models.  I would understand all this angst more if all the women in BW games looked/acted like the characters in the new Mortal Kombat game, but I really don't see any overtly sexualized people in BW games.  Well maybe Isabella from DA2 but that isn't ME. 

If Miranda's anatomy more accurately represented the person she was based
on (Yvonne Strahovski) and she was wearing a standard hardsuit would she
still bother you?  I like her character, she isn't static and her
dialogue is pretty well written.  There are some issues, like the way
she turns on Cerberus out of the blue at the end if you bring her to the
final boss fight.  But, overall she doesn't come across as a bimbo or a
weak woman.  What about her character (besides her physical attributes)
upsets you so much? 

She said herself if she was in charge of the lazarous project she would implanted you with a mind control device but the Illusive man stopped her. But her character wasnt the problem like I said in the other thread that got locked. It was mostly the outfit and the way bioware represented her. She doesn't come of as a bimbo but the clothing... Just look at the women of Mass Effect 1 compared to 2, there wasn't any camera zoom-ins on the asses or breast but now they do it for every female companion you can romance. I am tired of every female having a skin tight suit instead of conventional armor. I understand Miranda having "the perfect body" because of her genetic enhancements but I don't know that stuff just kind of irritates me.

Look at Ashley in the first one. She was a strong strict soldier, compared to the screen of her in ME3 she looks exactly like Miranda almost, big breast, skin tight suit, the hair is down now. I know it is only one picture, but when that is the first picture of a character that you have portrayed to be a strong uniformed soldier ends up being a more laid back type it isn't right. If that makes sense. I hope I am wrong.

I might have had a problem with the way Miranda was represented if she wore an outfit similar to Jack's.  The catsuit doens't reveal anything, it only outlines the contours of Miranda's body.  Jacob's outfit does the same thing (and they do show quite a few butt shots of him in game too).  I will admit that Miranda gets more love from the camera, but it just doesn't bother me.  

In my case I don't think this is out of line because I grew up reading comic books.  Spandex was the order of the day, and while I know ME isn't a comic book (wait... it actually is a comic book isn't it:)) representing some of the characters in standard clothing just seems par for the course in Sci Fi.  At least BW released the Alt App pack 2 that gives Miri a full set of combat armor.  Maybe that same option will be available in ME3 for both Ash and Miri at launch, so you can play the game and have all their physical features covered.  Who knows...

Yeah I think that would be good. I guess I am just thinking from more of a realistic combat situation. Would I want spandex or actual body armor? I think i will take the latter.

Modifié par N7 Vanguard, 23 avril 2011 - 03:17 .

[Legbiter]

Relix28 wrote...

You humans are all virgins.

Naw, mostly I think it's gargantuan females feeling intimidated by a future not plagued fugly chicks.

Modifié par Legbiter, 23 avril 2011 - 03:24 .

[Relix28]

wizardryforever wrote...
Really, I think the only thing that was annoying about Miranda's appearance was the camera angles.  Other than that, I didn't think much of it outside of my initial reaction.  I personally think that people put far too much importance on clothing, and appearance in general.  I honestly would not care if all the characters were ugly, butt naked, or wearing burkas.  Appearance means almost nothing to me.  Why should it matter how someone is dressed?  Especially in a fictional setting?  That's what I don't get.  Why is it such a big deal?  I can understand wanting realism to an extent, but clothing is mostly one of those acceptable breaks from reality.  I can deal with it as long as the rest of the game is largely free of such breaks.  Apparently others either can't, or they have fewer acceptable breaks from reality.

So, what is your point exactly? That you don't care, if your squad starts running around in underwear (wich isn't exactly far from some of the ME2 outfits)?

Well, a lot of use here think that common sense battle suits/armors >>> over sexualized, over the top, unpractical and immersion breaking outits. I'm fine with ****** and ass, but save that for the romance scenes for god's sake. Imo, some of the ME2 outfits were something you would expect from B-movie action flick, starring hot chicks with machine guns. Ok, I'm exagerating a little, but I think this kind of style over substance really doesn't fit the ME universe overall.
I don't mind half naked dancers shaking thier ass off in a bar somewhere. But a half naked squadmate in hazzardous enviroment, surrounded by 10 enemy soldiers with assualt rifles and shotguns, backed up by 2 heavy assualt mechs? That's just retarded. And I guess it would be ok, if the whole ME universe had this kinda cheezy and over the top feel to it, but it does not. It just doesn't fit in. You look at Samara's and/or Jack's outfit and just go like: Yeeeeah.......NO.

Modifié par Relix28, 23 avril 2011 - 03:34 .

[Bluko]

wizardryforever wrote...

Really, I think the only thing that was annoying about Miranda's appearance was the camera angles.  Other than that, I didn't think much of it outside of my initial reaction.  I personally think that people put far too much importance on clothing, and appearance in general.  I honestly would not care if all the characters were ugly, butt naked, or wearing burkas.  Appearance means almost nothing to me.  Why should it matter how someone is dressed?  Especially in a fictional setting?  That's what I don't get.  Why is it such a big deal?  I can understand wanting realism to an extent, but clothing is mostly one of those acceptable breaks from reality.  I can deal with it as long as the rest of the game is largely free of such breaks.  Apparently others either can't, or they have fewer acceptable breaks from reality.

But this is Science-Fiction, not Science-Fantasy. Which means to a point it is suppose to be bound by some degree of plausibility. Hence why we have the Codex instead of an oddly angled yellow text scroll to explain stuff.

Somehow I don't believe that'd you actually enjoy the game (or anyone for that matter) if every Human, Asari, and Turian was butt naked the entire time. That wouldn't distract or bother you at all?  But then why have guns, why have ships? Why have any of that stuff if appearence is as unimportant as you say? Appearence is a huge aspect of video games. Maybe you value story and character more, but a large part of what makes video games, video games, is what they look like. People didn't just pick up Mass Effect cause it was fun to play. They also picked it up because visually it's impressive.
 
Why did Shepard die in space, if characters don't need any form of protection from the elements (or lack thereof)?  Why didn't his shields just maintain a bubble of air and keep him/her warm? (Cause that's not what the game world says how thing work.)

Look if squadmates want to run around in their undergarments on the ship so be it (maybe that's when everyone does laundry?). But when they are out and about on actual missions they should have some legitimate form of proctection. And I'm sorry, but it's never implied shields and mere clothes protect characters from everything. They need to wear armor obviously for when their shields fail.

I know it's a game, and some liberties must be taken to make the game fun. I don't expect every character to wear a helmet, etc. But ultimately in order to be fun it needs to have some basis on reality, others it would be totally incomprehensible to most.

[mereck7980]

N7 Vanguard wrote...

mereck7980 wrote...

N7 Vanguard wrote...

mereck7980 wrote...
Can you describe your ideal representation of a female character?  I mean, besides sexualized physical character models.  I would understand all this angst more if all the women in BW games looked/acted like the characters in the new Mortal Kombat game, but I really don't see any overtly sexualized people in BW games.  Well maybe Isabella from DA2 but that isn't ME. 

If Miranda's anatomy more accurately represented the person she was based
on (Yvonne Strahovski) and she was wearing a standard hardsuit would she
still bother you?  I like her character, she isn't static and her
dialogue is pretty well written.  There are some issues, like the way
she turns on Cerberus out of the blue at the end if you bring her to the
final boss fight.  But, overall she doesn't come across as a bimbo or a
weak woman.  What about her character (besides her physical attributes)
upsets you so much? 

She said herself if she was in charge of the lazarous project she would implanted you with a mind control device but the Illusive man stopped her. But her character wasnt the problem like I said in the other thread that got locked. It was mostly the outfit and the way bioware represented her. She doesn't come of as a bimbo but the clothing... Just look at the women of Mass Effect 1 compared to 2, there wasn't any camera zoom-ins on the asses or breast but now they do it for every female companion you can romance. I am tired of every female having a skin tight suit instead of conventional armor. I understand Miranda having "the perfect body" because of her genetic enhancements but I don't know that stuff just kind of irritates me.

Look at Ashley in the first one. She was a strong strict soldier, compared to the screen of her in ME3 she looks exactly like Miranda almost, big breast, skin tight suit, the hair is down now. I know it is only one picture, but when that is the first picture of a character that you have portrayed to be a strong uniformed soldier ends up being a more laid back type it isn't right. If that makes sense. I hope I am wrong.

I might have had a problem with the way Miranda was represented if she wore an outfit similar to Jack's.  The catsuit doens't reveal anything, it only outlines the contours of Miranda's body.  Jacob's outfit does the same thing (and they do show quite a few butt shots of him in game too).  I will admit that Miranda gets more love from the camera, but it just doesn't bother me.  

In my case I don't think this is out of line because I grew up reading comic books.  Spandex was the order of the day, and while I know ME isn't a comic book (wait... it actually is a comic book isn't it:)) representing some of the characters in standard clothing just seems par for the course in Sci Fi.  At least BW released the Alt App pack 2 that gives Miri a full set of combat armor.  Maybe that same option will be available in ME3 for both Ash and Miri at launch, so you can play the game and have all their physical features covered.  Who knows...

Yeah I think that would be good. I guess I am just thinking from more of a realistic combat situation. Would I want spandex or actual body armor? I think i will take the latter.

I completely agree with you on the practicality of wearing a catsuit in the middle of a gun fight, but it seems to me that this problem was really more about game balancing limitations than sexualizing Miranda for fan service.  BW wanted to give each character a particular look and feel (not generic body armor) but including multiple character models in every part of the game takes up a lot me disc space.  And we all know that disc space is a critical factor in making descisions like this, especially considering the 360's limitations.  

Plus, it gave BW an excuse to release DLC to appease folks like you who didn't like certain characters apperance.  

[AngelicMachinery]

mereck7980 wrote...
Jacob's outfit does the same thing (and they do show quite a few butt shots of him in game too).  I will admit that Miranda gets more love from the camera, but it just doesn't bother me.

He has a rather nice man ass.

[CARL_DF90]

Hey OP! I completely understand and agree with pretty much EVERYTHING you have said and I'm a guy! If even a guy can get sick of the abundance and the overly gratuitous amount of female anatomy in games and other media, it needs to be taken as an example of how sad things are nowadays.

[mereck7980]

Bluko wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

Really, I think the only thing that was annoying about Miranda's appearance was the camera angles.  Other than that, I didn't think much of it outside of my initial reaction.  I personally think that people put far too much importance on clothing, and appearance in general.  I honestly would not care if all the characters were ugly, butt naked, or wearing burkas.  Appearance means almost nothing to me.  Why should it matter how someone is dressed?  Especially in a fictional setting?  That's what I don't get.  Why is it such a big deal?  I can understand wanting realism to an extent, but clothing is mostly one of those acceptable breaks from reality.  I can deal with it as long as the rest of the game is largely free of such breaks.  Apparently others either can't, or they have fewer acceptable breaks from reality.

But this is Science-Fiction, not Science-Fantasy. Which means to a point it is suppose to be bound by some degree of plausibility. Hence why we have the Codex instead of an oddly angled yellow text scroll to explain stuff.

Somehow I don't believe that'd you actually enjoy the game (or anyone for that matter) if every Human, Asari, and Turian was butt naked the entire time. That wouldn't distract or bother you at all?  But then why have guns, why have ships? Why have any of that stuff if appearence is as unimportant as you say? Appearence is a huge aspect of video games. Maybe you value story and character more, but a large part of what makes video games, video games, is what they look like. People didn't just pick up Mass Effect cause it was fun to play. They also picked it up because visually it's impressive.
 
Why did Shepard die in space, if characters don't need any form of protection from the elements (or lack thereof)?  Why didn't his shields just maintain a bubble of air and keep him/her warm? (Cause that's not what the game world says how thing work.)

Look if squadmates want to run around in their undergarments on the ship so be it (maybe that's when everyone does laundry?). But when they are out and about on actual missions they should have some legitimate form of proctection. And I'm sorry, but it's never implied shields and mere clothes protect characters from everything. They need to wear armor obviously for when their shields fail.

I know it's a game, and some liberties must be taken to make the game fun. I don't expect every character to wear a helmet, etc. But ultimately in order to be fun it needs to have some basis on reality, others it would be totally incomprehensible to most.

This is a major point that I hope people can latch onto.  The real problem with the outfits for Miranda, Jack, and Jacob are the fact that they don't really offer any protection in combat.  This is a much more valid complaint (IMO) than Miranda looks like a "skank" in her tight catsuit.  I really hope that in ME3 squadmates have an onship apperance and practical combat attire in the field, which is the same system that Shepard uses. 

[Legbiter]

CARL_DF90 wrote...

Hey OP! I completely understand and agree with pretty much EVERYTHING you have said and I'm a guy! If even a guy can get sick of the abundance and the overly gratuitous amount of female anatomy in games and other media, it needs to be taken as an example of how sad things are nowadays.

You're too late.

She's not going to put out just because your beta ass agrees with her.

[Clover Rider]

Ahglock wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Ahglock wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Knightsire wrote...

Why do you consider it pandering to the lowest common denominator?  If people couldn't sexualize anyone else, then I don't really see how we would survive as a species if no one ever wanted to f**k someone else.

Because there's more to me and you than our respective genitals.  When all characters, male or female, are portrayed as little more than sex objects, it ignores everything else about what it means to be human.

Or, you know, alien.

Not that all characters are going to be portrayed as sex objects any time soon.  At least, I hope so.

You know what I like most about a character like this one http://onepiece.wiki...ki/Nami/History nope not the looks but the good personality and great backstory.

The Nami's arc on her home isalnd is one of my favorite stories ever, not limiting it to anime at all.  Lets just say I get a lot of dust in my eyes when watching or reading that.  

It's one of the things the anime got right from the manga and it gets me everytime too.

If you get the uncut version of the anime it does a pretty good job overall I think, I love the fights in the Alabasta arc great stuff there.(just got season 3 5th voyage yesterday, mostly filler i think haven't popped it in yet)  And yet the filler arcs are much smaller and less painful than some other anime's I watch.  But 3 years working in a comic book store really openned my eyes to manga.  Going in I only read american comics, leaving I ended up with a fairly expensive maga habit.  

Well past season 3 is when the filler starts to get bad and I have always been more into the manga than anime.

Funny how you got into manga thanks to working at a comic book store the way I got into it was thanks to my sister who worked at one.

And that ends my late off-topic reply.

[Knight_47K]

What! Are you guys seriously complaining about having sexy looking men and women in a video game.

There are enough butt-ugly people in this world, I don't want them in my games.

Besides armor are just for shows. With bullets being fired by mass accelerator weapons, once the kinetic shields are down you won't survive anyway. You could fight butt-naked for all that matters.

[wizardryforever]

Bluko wrote...

wizardryforever wrote...

Really, I think the only thing that was annoying about Miranda's appearance was the camera angles.  Other than that, I didn't think much of it outside of my initial reaction.  I personally think that people put far too much importance on clothing, and appearance in general.  I honestly would not care if all the characters were ugly, butt naked, or wearing burkas.  Appearance means almost nothing to me.  Why should it matter how someone is dressed?  Especially in a fictional setting?  That's what I don't get.  Why is it such a big deal?  I can understand wanting realism to an extent, but clothing is mostly one of those acceptable breaks from reality.  I can deal with it as long as the rest of the game is largely free of such breaks.  Apparently others either can't, or they have fewer acceptable breaks from reality.

But this is Science-Fiction, not Science-Fantasy. Which means to a point it is suppose to be bound by some degree of plausibility. Hence why we have the Codex instead of an oddly angled yellow text scroll to explain stuff.

Well technically it is space opera.  Space opera that largely adheres to logic and science, true, but still space opera.  As such, the writers and designers can and will take liberties with the realism.  The sooner one realizes this, the happier one will be with one's gaming experience.

Somehow I don't believe that'd you actually enjoy the game (or anyone for that matter) if every Human, Asari, and Turian was butt naked the entire time. That wouldn't distract or bother you at all?  But then why have guns, why have ships? Why have any of that stuff if appearence is as unimportant as you say? Appearence is a huge aspect of video games. Maybe you value story and character more, but a large part of what makes video games, video games, is what they look like. People didn't just pick up Mass Effect cause it was fun to play. They also picked it up because visually it's impressive.

No I really wouldn't care, though perhaps I should replace the emphasis that was lost on the personal appearance (clothing and such) of characters.  Realism is great in this regard, but it does not alter my perception of the game or the characters if the realism is lacking.  And if appearance really was so paramount, then games that have poor graphics but a stellar story would fail.  And yet, that isn't the case most of the time.  Graphics help yes, but they aren't as big of a deal as you say.
 

Why did Shepard die in space, if characters don't need any form of protection from the elements (or lack thereof)?  Why didn't his shields just maintain a bubble of air and keep him/her warm? (Cause that's not what the game world says how thing work.)

This one is gameplay/story segregation.  Notice how the lack of proper protection is never mentioned in game?  That's cuz it really isn't part of the game.  It's an aesthetic design choice, nothing more.

Look if squadmates want to run around in their undergarments on the ship so be it (maybe that's when everyone does laundry?). But when they are out and about on actual missions they should have some legitimate form of proctection. And I'm sorry, but it's never implied shields and mere clothes protect characters from everything. They need to wear armor obviously for when their shields fail.

I know it's a game, and some liberties must be taken to make the game fun. I don't expect every character to wear a helmet, etc. But ultimately in order to be fun it needs to have some basis on reality, others it would be totally incomprehensible to most.

I actually do agree that more realism in this regard would be nice.  Not necessary or required, but nice.  I guess my feelings on the matter just aren't as strong as yours.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

Jack and Ash cool? Well, Ash...sort of.

Tali reduced to a shrinking violet? I highly object. Tali in ME1 was the cute nerdy geek, no more than that. Well, that's alright, part to why she has many fans. In ME2 while we see those traits in the romance, we see a change in her voice, tone and attitude. She shouts, she gives orders, she cries, she feels scared, she curses! In my opinion she grew a lot in ME2.

It's also about damn time Jack matured. If not I'd try to make my Shep punch her in the face to stop whining and raging.

[JamieCOTC]

We haven't seen Jack yet, so I'll reserve judgement, but I pretty much agree w/ AC on all other points.

btw, Mass Effect 2 is NOT science fiction.  It's space opera. 

Modifié par JamieCOTC, 23 avril 2011 - 04:48 .

[Urdnot Orrad]

JamieCOTC wrote...

We haven't seen Jack yet, so I'll reserve judgement, but I pretty much agree w/ AC on all other points.

btw, Mass Effect 2 is NOT science fiction.  It's space opera. 

What's the difference?

[AngelicMachinery]

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

We haven't seen Jack yet, so I'll reserve judgement, but I pretty much agree w/ AC on all other points.

btw, Mass Effect 2 is NOT science fiction.  It's space opera. 

What's the difference?

This! 


I Kid, I kid.

[Urdnot Orrad]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

JamieCOTC wrote...

We haven't seen Jack yet, so I'll reserve judgement, but I pretty much agree w/ AC on all other points.

btw, Mass Effect 2 is NOT science fiction.  It's space opera. 

What's the difference?

This! 


I Kid, I kid.

That made me pretty much memorize the whole Major General Song. I swear if I ever get to audition for a G&S play, I'll be auditioning for the part of Major General Stanley in Pirates of Penzance.

[JeffZero]

As a 23-year-old male, I completely agree with the good Admiral and his compatriots. I loved the breath of fresh air that was ME1's near-lack of overly sexualized characters and as big an ME2 fan as I am, I'm sadly well-aware of its motions against that end. ME3's design has me worried, too.