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[Warlocomotf]

atheelogos wrote...

Warlocomotf wrote...

Steffen wrote...

The game industry definately needs to grow up, but i think we as gamers also have a responsebility to make them aware of things that are not okay, IE women who look like they just jumped out of sports illustrated and humped Lara Croft, so cudos to you sir.. Though you did come off a bit extreme but hey.. this is the internet

The game industry? You don't think the fasion industry and the movie industry are doing the exact same things?

I hate to be the one telling you christmas isn't real, but portrayed relationships and attractive lead characters is the gaming industry growing up to match the rest of the media.

"movie industry" Yes it does this too, but the Fashion industry?... No I don't think they send women into combat wearing the kind of clothes Miranda wears...

The fashion industry objectifies and sexualizes the image of woman just the same as the movie and gaming industry (and disturbingly at increasingly lower ages).

As for the whole garbage about armor, you do realize that the shield generators used provide (in ME) equal protection at a fraction of the weight?

And despite all the constant whining about Miranda- she does have a personality and she does have a backstory- so long as characters have those I could really care less.

And what's up with the Tali hate anyway? She shows exactly 0 inches of skin and somehow she's still too much objectified? Honestly some people just won't be happy until female characters actually dissapear.

[bobhampt]

As a married guy of 15 years with two daughters...I agree with a lot with this post. I am still devoted to Ashley because she seems like someone in the "real world" I would want to be with. I do enjoy breasts, but seeing my crew in catsuits on missions went over the top.

[BlackEssence]

AntiChri5 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

There is absolutely no connection between swearing and recovering from trauma.

Her recovery should not involve her speech being overly sanitised.

WUT.

Do elaborate.(I hope I'm not coming off as picky, I'm just curious as to your opinion)

You seem to think that there is a connection between psycological issues and swearing, that Jacks colourful language is because of her trauma, and that her getting better means she would swear less.

I think this is........well, silly.

The language people use is purely cultural. 

Well, to be honest...my mom works in mental health, primary, child and adult development and she deals with cases such and trauma and many more and she's seen the outcomes of many of those traumas...and saying that excessive cursing (Notice that I didn't say just "cursing". I said excessive cursing.") isn't a part of that? My mother would highly, HIGHLY, disagree with you on that. lol.

Modifié par BlackEssence, 22 avril 2011 - 05:14 .

[AntiChri5]

As for the whole garbage about armor, you do realize that the shield generators used provide (in ME) equal protection at a fraction of the weight?

Shields go down.

Modifié par AntiChri5, 22 avril 2011 - 05:15 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Warlocomotf wrote...

And what's up with the Tali hate anyway? She shows exactly 0 inches of skin and somehow she's still too much objectified? Honestly some people just won't be happy until female characters actually dissapear.

My problem with Tali was never her looks, nor was it her character.  My problem was that she acquired damsel-in-distress syndrome and needed Shepard to come save her all the time.  I can't help but feel she lost a little bit of her independence, and that makes me make this face :c

[LPPrince]

BlackEssence wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

There is absolutely no connection between swearing and recovering from trauma.

Her recovery should not involve her speech being overly sanitised.

WUT.

Do elaborate.(I hope I'm not coming off as picky, I'm just curious as to your opinion)

You seem to think that there is a connection between psycological issues and swearing, that Jacks colourful language is because of her trauma, and that her getting better means she would swear less.

I think this is........well, silly.

The language people use is purely cultural. 

Well, to be honest...my mom works in mental health, primary, child and adult development and she deals with cases such and trauma and many more and she's seen the outcomes of many of those traumas...and saying that excessive cursing (Notice that I didn't say just "cursing". I said excessive cursing.") isn't a part of that? My mother would highly, HIGHLY, disagree with you on that. lol.

And that's what I'm getting at.

Language itself is fine, but excessive use of cursing definitely has to do with someone issues and upbringing.

[BlackEssence]

Warlocomotf wrote...

The fashion industry objectifies and sexualizes the image of woman just the same as the movie and gaming industry (and disturbingly at increasingly lower ages).

As for the whole garbage about armor, you do realize that the shield generators used provide (in ME) equal protection at a fraction of the weight?

And despite all the constant whining about Miranda- she does have a personality and she does have a backstory- so long as characters have those I could really care less.

And what's up with the Tali hate anyway? She shows exactly 0 inches of skin and somehow she's still too much objectified? Honestly some people just won't be happy until female characters actually dissapear.

Even though Miranda's outfit annoyed the crap out of me, I will give her credit that she did have brains. She did get the job done. She's cold...and I could do without that. But, she did what I told her to do and that's all that matters.

[Someone With Mass]

You know Miranda's AA Pack armored suit? That's how it should be. Just because the character has a pair of ****** doesn't make it right for her to be strutting around on the battlefield in a catsuit.

[AntiChri5]

BlackEssence wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

There is absolutely no connection between swearing and recovering from trauma.

Her recovery should not involve her speech being overly sanitised.

WUT.

Do elaborate.(I hope I'm not coming off as picky, I'm just curious as to your opinion)

You seem to think that there is a connection between psycological issues and swearing, that Jacks colourful language is because of her trauma, and that her getting better means she would swear less.

I think this is........well, silly.

The language people use is purely cultural. 

Well, to be honest...my mom works in mental health, primary, child and adult development and she deals with cases such and trauma and many more and she's seen the outcomes of many of those traumas...and saying that excessive cursing (Notice that I didn't say just "cursing". I said excessive cursing.") isn't a part of that? My mother would highly, HIGHLY, disagree with you on that. lol.

What is "excessive cursing" is entirely subjective.

Besides, i think you are confusing causation and correlation. Abused kids are often in a sub culture where swearing is common, and so they swear. It isn't because of the abuse.

Miranda and Jack are good examples of this. They were both abused, but come from completely different cultures. One swears a great deal, the other does not.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

I preferred the outfits in ME1 to the outfits in ME2. The first had a utilitarian, kind of authentic. Starship Troopers/Battle of LA look to them, while ME2 had a much more 70's sci-fi feel to them. Ultimately, boobs and ass are great, but I would prefer that they have their place in the over all story rather than bounce around all over the place.

Boobs and ass should bounce around in very specific places in ME3.

[Warlocomotf]

AntiChri5 wrote...

As for the whole garbage about armor, you do realize that the shield generators used provide (in ME) equal protection at a fraction of the weight?

Shields go down.

Get more shields. Less weight, same protection.

Biotics are not trained to use heavy armor, they might wear light armor- but that's exactly that. Light.

[Waltzingbear]

LPPrince wrote...

Jack being softened and matured makes me believe she might actually decide to wear some clothing this time. NORMAL CLOTHING.

I don't think Jack's lack of clothings was supposed to be sexual. On the contrary, I believe that it was intended to cause un-sentimentality, like the violence or the picture of a penis in Fight Club.

I find that the sexual themes actually fitted Miranda's character. Some of it might have been a crowd pleaser but it worked well, aside from some absurdity.

I personally loved Dragon Age Origins for the abundance of "ugly people" in it. It really complemented the dark atmosphere of the game and I found it refreshing amongst modern games.
Mass Effects' available boobies is a little too much for my taste (what with all the LIs in ME2) but I'm sure that some people disagree with that. However I think that the fact that people romanced with Garrus is an evidence that to make a character an interest it doesn't has to have the perfect manly body.

As for Ashley, I'll reserve judgment for a time where we'll have more than just one picture.

[AntiChri5]

LPPrince wrote...

BlackEssence wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

There is absolutely no connection between swearing and recovering from trauma.

Her recovery should not involve her speech being overly sanitised.

WUT.

Do elaborate.(I hope I'm not coming off as picky, I'm just curious as to your opinion)

You seem to think that there is a connection between psycological issues and swearing, that Jacks colourful language is because of her trauma, and that her getting better means she would swear less.

I think this is........well, silly.

The language people use is purely cultural. 

Well, to be honest...my mom works in mental health, primary, child and adult development and she deals with cases such and trauma and many more and she's seen the outcomes of many of those traumas...and saying that excessive cursing (Notice that I didn't say just "cursing". I said excessive cursing.") isn't a part of that? My mother would highly, HIGHLY, disagree with you on that. lol.

And that's what I'm getting at.

Language itself is fine, but excessive use of cursing definitely has to do with someone issues and upbringing.

Upringing matters, but not issues.

Sailors, construction workers and soldiers are known for frequently swearing. They are simply members of a subculture in which swearing is more comon. It has nothing to do with abuse and issues.

[AngelicMachinery]

Someone With Mass wrote...

You know Miranda's AA Pack armored suit? That's how it should be. Just because the character has a pair of ****** doesn't make it right for her to be strutting around on the battlefield in a catsuit.

Her catsuitlooks no different than ME1 light armor, sure it hugs her curves a bit more but the gir obviously enjoys flaunting her "Perfection."

[Warlocomotf]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Warlocomotf wrote...

And what's up with the Tali hate anyway? She shows exactly 0 inches of skin and somehow she's still too much objectified? Honestly some people just won't be happy until female characters actually dissapear.

My problem with Tali was never her looks, nor was it her character.  My problem was that she acquired damsel-in-distress syndrome and needed Shepard to come save her all the time.  I can't help but feel she lost a little bit of her independence, and that makes me make this face :c

And to me that seems like you're just at the other extreme. I would agree if every character was Tali, but Tali is Tali. Miranda isn't Tali, Ashley isn't Tali, Liara has matured in LotSB and is not Tali either. Diverse personalities are a good thing.

BlackEssence wrote...

Even though Miranda's outfit annoyed the crap out of me, I will give her credit that she did have brains. She did get the job done. She's cold...and I could do without that. But, she did what I told her to do and that's all that matters.

Additionally her outfit matches her 'femme fetale'character and character history. I agree the game could do with having searate on mission and off mission outfits, but the whining on this topic is just overly excessive.

[BlackEssence]

AntiChri5 wrote...

BlackEssence wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

There is absolutely no connection between swearing and recovering from trauma.

Her recovery should not involve her speech being overly sanitised.

WUT.

Do elaborate.(I hope I'm not coming off as picky, I'm just curious as to your opinion)

You seem to think that there is a connection between psycological issues and swearing, that Jacks colourful language is because of her trauma, and that her getting better means she would swear less.

I think this is........well, silly.

The language people use is purely cultural. 

Well, to be honest...my mom works in mental health, primary, child and adult development and she deals with cases such and trauma and many more and she's seen the outcomes of many of those traumas...and saying that excessive cursing (Notice that I didn't say just "cursing". I said excessive cursing.") isn't a part of that? My mother would highly, HIGHLY, disagree with you on that. lol.

What is "excessive cursing" is entirely subjective.

Besides, i think you are confusing causation and correlation. Abused kids are often in a sub culture where swearing is common, and so they swear. It isn't because of the abuse.

Miranda and Jack are good examples of this. They were both abused, but come from completely different cultures. One swears a great deal, the other does not.

I agree with the evironment being an influence, which is why I didn't bring that up. I said that saying that trauma NOT being the cause excessive cursing and any other manifestations would be incorrection notion. But, by total accident, you proved the point I was making. But hey, if feeling the way you do helps you sleep better at night, great. I was just trying to bring you another perspective from someone who lives with a mental health specialist with two masters in the field.

Just trying to help broaden your perspetic on the subject. That's all.

[AntiChri5]

Warlocomotf wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

As for the whole garbage about armor, you do realize that the shield generators used provide (in ME) equal protection at a fraction of the weight?

Shields go down.

Get more shields. Less weight, same protection.

Biotics are not trained to use heavy armor, they might wear light armor- but that's exactly that. Light.

Sheilds still get taken down. They can only sustain so much fire, and do nothing to protect you from hostile environments.

Armour protects you from enemy fire, protects you from hostile environments, speeds up the rate at which your injuries recover, has an on board computer to store information relevant to the mission, it can even make you run faster, hit harder and be stronger. There is no reason not to wear it into combat.

Biotics are perfectly capable of wering heavier armours, Shepard and Tela vasir are proof of that.

[AntiChri5]

BlackEssence wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

BlackEssence wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

There is absolutely no connection between swearing and recovering from trauma.

Her recovery should not involve her speech being overly sanitised.

WUT.

Do elaborate.(I hope I'm not coming off as picky, I'm just curious as to your opinion)

You seem to think that there is a connection between psycological issues and swearing, that Jacks colourful language is because of her trauma, and that her getting better means she would swear less.

I think this is........well, silly.

The language people use is purely cultural. 

Well, to be honest...my mom works in mental health, primary, child and adult development and she deals with cases such and trauma and many more and she's seen the outcomes of many of those traumas...and saying that excessive cursing (Notice that I didn't say just "cursing". I said excessive cursing.") isn't a part of that? My mother would highly, HIGHLY, disagree with you on that. lol.

What is "excessive cursing" is entirely subjective.

Besides, i think you are confusing causation and correlation. Abused kids are often in a sub culture where swearing is common, and so they swear. It isn't because of the abuse.

Miranda and Jack are good examples of this. They were both abused, but come from completely different cultures. One swears a great deal, the other does not.

I agree with the evironment being an influence, which is why I didn't bring that up. I said that saying that trauma NOT being the cause excessive cursing and any other manifestations would be incorrection notion. But, by total accident, you proved the point I was making. But hey, if feeling the way you do helps you sleep better at night, great. I was just trying to bring you another perspective from someone who lives with a mental health specialist with two masters in the field.

Just trying to help broaden your perspetic on the subject. That's all.

There is no need to get snarky mate.

If i have proved your point, then please point out how.

I hope you will forgive me for not taking your word on your expertise due to your mothers qualifications. The internet is filled with people who claim to have special knowledge and experience of a subject, but usually turn out to be frauds. i find it is easier to doubt all such claims.

[BlackEssence]

Warlocomotf wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Warlocomotf wrote...

And what's up with the Tali hate anyway? She shows exactly 0 inches of skin and somehow she's still too much objectified? Honestly some people just won't be happy until female characters actually dissapear.

My problem with Tali was never her looks, nor was it her character.  My problem was that she acquired damsel-in-distress syndrome and needed Shepard to come save her all the time.  I can't help but feel she lost a little bit of her independence, and that makes me make this face :c

And to me that seems like you're just at the other extreme. I would agree if every character was Tali, but Tali is Tali. Miranda isn't Tali, Ashley isn't Tali, Liara has matured in LotSB and is not Tali either. Diverse personalities are a good thing.

BlackEssence wrote...

Even though Miranda's outfit annoyed the crap out of me, I will give her credit that she did have brains. She did get the job done. She's cold...and I could do without that. But, she did what I told her to do and that's all that matters.

Additionally her outfit matches her 'femme fetale'character and character history. I agree the game could do with having searate on mission and off mission outfits, but the whining on this topic is just overly excessive.

That's fine. It's ok that you feel that way. Nothing wrong with that. But, I can't help but get the feeling that you want people to stop talking about it because it makes you feel uncomfortable. It's ok to feel that way, but just because you want the subject to stop does not mean that people are going to stop talking about it and, in my opinion, it doesn't give you justification to tell people how redundant they are being for talking about it BECAUSE you want it to stop or die down. The best advice that I can suggest....is that if the subject bothers you, just try to fight the urge to say anything or...avoid the conversation as soon as you see a topic go in that direction.

That's what I don't understand about people sometimes. If a subject bothers you and you hate it coming up or talking about it, why get into the conversation to talk about it or to tell others how silly it is? But, I digress. I'm not trying to come after you or anything, and I mean all the respect to you in the world. I really do. But, just as you shared your thoughts on the matter, I wanted to share mine.

Modifié par BlackEssence, 22 avril 2011 - 05:39 .

[Warlocomotf]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Warlocomotf wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

As for the whole garbage about armor, you do realize that the shield generators used provide (in ME) equal protection at a fraction of the weight?

Shields go down.

Get more shields. Less weight, same protection.

Biotics are not trained to use heavy armor, they might wear light armor- but that's exactly that. Light.

Sheilds still get taken down. They can only sustain so much fire, and do nothing to protect you from hostile environments.

Armour protects you from enemy fire, protects you from hostile environments, speeds up the rate at which your injuries recover, has an on board computer to store information relevant to the mission, it can even make you run faster, hit harder and be stronger. There is no reason not to wear it into combat.

Biotics are perfectly capable of wering heavier armours, Shepard and Tela vasir are proof of that.

Err yeah, In ME1 viotic shepard does not wear heavy armor. Or Biotic Liara. Neither does Tech Tali.

And you're referring to an exoskelleton- armor does nothing but offer protection/add weight. You can use modifications to add power and what not, but those modifications were entirely compatible with light armor. Also, armor gets pierced just the same as shields- no different from shields. Armor does not help injuries recover, that's the medical interface which could also be implemetned just fine in light armors.

[BlackEssence]

AntiChri5 wrote...

BlackEssence wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

BlackEssence wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

There is absolutely no connection between swearing and recovering from trauma.

Her recovery should not involve her speech being overly sanitised.

WUT.

Do elaborate.(I hope I'm not coming off as picky, I'm just curious as to your opinion)

You seem to think that there is a connection between psycological issues and swearing, that Jacks colourful language is because of her trauma, and that her getting better means she would swear less.

I think this is........well, silly.

The language people use is purely cultural. 

Well, to be honest...my mom works in mental health, primary, child and adult development and she deals with cases such and trauma and many more and she's seen the outcomes of many of those traumas...and saying that excessive cursing (Notice that I didn't say just "cursing". I said excessive cursing.") isn't a part of that? My mother would highly, HIGHLY, disagree with you on that. lol.

What is "excessive cursing" is entirely subjective.

Besides, i think you are confusing causation and correlation. Abused kids are often in a sub culture where swearing is common, and so they swear. It isn't because of the abuse.

Miranda and Jack are good examples of this. They were both abused, but come from completely different cultures. One swears a great deal, the other does not.

I agree with the evironment being an influence, which is why I didn't bring that up. I said that saying that trauma NOT being the cause excessive cursing and any other manifestations would be incorrection notion. But, by total accident, you proved the point I was making. But hey, if feeling the way you do helps you sleep better at night, great. I was just trying to bring you another perspective from someone who lives with a mental health specialist with two masters in the field.

Just trying to help broaden your perspetic on the subject. That's all.

There is no need to get snarky mate.

If i have proved your point, then please point out how.

I hope you will forgive me for not taking your word on your expertise due to your mothers qualifications. The internet is filled with people who claim to have special knowledge and experience of a subject, but usually turn out to be frauds. i find it is easier to doubt all such claims.

Heheh. Well, let me apologize if I did come off snarky (I like that word. LOL.). That wasn't my intention to do that. And I promise you that I am being truthful (even though those make a career to falsify their qualifications makes it hard to prove yourself truthful.) when I speak about what I have learned about living with someone who works in mental health. But, you did make some great points about where influences can cause. Most definitely.

[Kusy]

I have a girlfriend, am not so young and still enojoy the tight outfits. You rage is not pardoned.

[Warlocomotf]

BlackEssence wrote...

That's fine. It's ok that you feel that way. Nothing wrong with that. But, I can't help but get the feeling that you want people to stop talking about it because it makes you feel uncomfortable. It's ok to feel that way, but just because you want the subject to stop does not mean that people are going to stop talking about it and, in my opinion, it doesn't give you justification to tell people how redundant they are being for talking about it BECAUSE you want it to stop ror die down. The best advice that I can suggest....is that if the subject bothers you, just try to fight the urge to say anything or...avoid the conversation as soon as you see a topic go in that direction. 

That's what I don't understand about people sometimes. If a subject bothers you and you hate it coming up or talking about it, why get into the conversation to talk about it or to tell others how silly it is? But, I digress. I'm not trying to come after you or anything, and I mean all the respect to you in the world. I really do. But, just as you shared your thoughts on the matter, I wanted to share mine.

That's a very silly suggestion, if I disagree with something I should not make a counter argument? I think that in general the complaints about form fitting armor is disproportional to actual opinions because those who disagree with the complaints about armor get labeled as "17 year old perverts"- which is funny, as another thread on the front page features the OP of this thread ogling over male characters and "squeeling"?

[AntiChri5]

Err yeah, In ME1 viotic shepard does not wear heavy armor. Or Biotic Liara. Neither does Tech Tali.

And you're referring to an exoskelleton- armor does nothing but offer protection/add weight. You can use modifications to add power and what not, but those modifications were entirely compatible with light armor. Also, armor gets pierced just the same as shields- no different from shields. Armor does not help injuries recover, that's the medical interface which could also be implemetned just fine in light armors.

In ME1, Vanguards can wear medium armour, and in ME2 Adepts Vanguards and Sentinels can all wear the exact same armour as a Soldier.

The exoskelleton is a part of the armour, and we have no information to suggest that it can be use without. Armour eventually gets pierced, put it cannot be overloaded with an omni tool, serves as a useful backup when your shields go down, protects you from melee attacks (which shields do not do, lorewise). Armour does help you recover from injuries, it is why your health regenerates in ME2. The suit is threaded with conduits through which medi gel are dispensed. The hardsuits computer detects an injury and automatically sends a small amount of medigel to it.