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[Someone With Mass]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Her catsuitlooks no different than ME1 light armor, sure it hugs her curves a bit more but the gir obviously enjoys flaunting her "Perfection."

The big difference is that the light armor actually has...well, armor.

Can't say the same about her outfit.

[Kusy]

mrsph wrote...
Samara, Jacob, and Miranda's outfits do annoy me a lot though.

I can understand Samara's armor being some kind of Justicar uniform. Miranda annoys me no mather the outfit, Jacob made little sense, Jack is the winner when it comes to outfits that make no sense whatsoever.

[Babli]

I was complaining about this juvenile fanservice since I joined these forums so.. I agree.

[AdmiralCheez]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

I have a girlfriend, am not so young and still enojoy the tight outfits. You rage is not pardoned.

:c

[BlackEssence]

Warlocomotf wrote...

BlackEssence wrote...

That's fine. It's ok that you feel that way. Nothing wrong with that. But, I can't help but get the feeling that you want people to stop talking about it because it makes you feel uncomfortable. It's ok to feel that way, but just because you want the subject to stop does not mean that people are going to stop talking about it and, in my opinion, it doesn't give you justification to tell people how redundant they are being for talking about it BECAUSE you want it to stop ror die down. The best advice that I can suggest....is that if the subject bothers you, just try to fight the urge to say anything or...avoid the conversation as soon as you see a topic go in that direction. 

That's what I don't understand about people sometimes. If a subject bothers you and you hate it coming up or talking about it, why get into the conversation to talk about it or to tell others how silly it is? But, I digress. I'm not trying to come after you or anything, and I mean all the respect to you in the world. I really do. But, just as you shared your thoughts on the matter, I wanted to share mine.

That's a very silly suggestion, if I disagree with something I should not make a counter argument? I think that in general the complaints about form fitting armor is disproportional to actual opinions because those who disagree with the complaints about armor get labeled as "17 year old perverts"- which is funny, as another thread on the front page features the OP of this thread ogling over male characters and "squeeling"?

I never said being labeled as a pervert, heck, at ANY age, is funny. I don't find it funny at all. But, you should know how people really are. They are going to speak their minds about this and label people all the time, which EVERYONE is guilty of. So long as you make a point to not allow anyone to put that label on you and have you answer to it, that's all the matters. My suggestion was given to save you any unnecessary headaches that you may have, by accident, brought on yourself. That's all I was trying to do. But, I also have learned that when you try to talk to a person who has made-up mind about something, step back and walk away and let them learn on their own.

Modifié par BlackEssence, 22 avril 2011 - 05:51 .

[Ahriman]

@AdmiralCheez
Know what? I agree with you. Space opera shouldn't be crowded by superheroes in tight suits.

[Kusy]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Mr.Kusy wrote...

I have a girlfriend, am not so young and still enojoy the tight outfits. You rage is not pardoned.

:c

Nah, you're right. Miranda looked idiotic pre-apearence pack. The only "tight outfit" I'm ok with is Tali's.

[Vertigo_1]

For the most part I agree and wonder if this was some sort of EA influence to get a more broader audience?

AdmiralCheez wrote...
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But now, looking at the new information trickling in about ME3, I am beginning to suspect things are going to get worse (perhaps better for those of you who play alone and with one hand).  I know we know next to nothing about ME3, but Ashley's new look (sans bun, bigger ******, and a tight body suit) plus their comment about Jack being softened and matured raised a few red flags.  The PS3M article, which I shouldn't pay attention to because it was written by a bunch of very randy morons who didn't bother to do their homework, only made matters worse by reminding everyone how hot and sexy all the female characters are.
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For the bolded part though:
Sans bun:
1. This was something people wanted to see (I believe it was mentioned in the support thread)
2. To me it would seem logical thing to change (the next step) almost like the change in Garrus if you have seen that yet on GI.
Bigger boobs:
I wouldn't say they are bigger but more along the lines of shes facing an angle which makes her boobs bigger
I could be wrong though...hopefully when the ME3 site launches we will get better quality shots to see what is going on.

Tighter body suit:
I'd wait to see more of this to make any sort of judgement (we don't know what the rest look like)

For Jack thats also something that worries me...I liked the way she talked and acted. I felt that it was unique and something that we never had in a squadmate before.

[Legbiter]

I want some eye candy in my games. Fat, frumpy and fugly I can see for free every day.

[Warlocomotf]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Err yeah, In ME1 viotic shepard does not wear heavy armor. Or Biotic Liara. Neither does Tech Tali.

And you're referring to an exoskelleton- armor does nothing but offer protection/add weight. You can use modifications to add power and what not, but those modifications were entirely compatible with light armor. Also, armor gets pierced just the same as shields- no different from shields. Armor does not help injuries recover, that's the medical interface which could also be implemetned just fine in light armors.

In ME1, Vanguards can wear medium armour, and in ME2 Adepts Vanguards and Sentinels can all wear the exact same armour as a Soldier.

The exoskelleton is a part of the armour, and we have no information to suggest that it can be use without. Armour eventually gets pierced, put it cannot be overloaded with an omni tool, serves as a useful backup when your shields go down, protects you from melee attacks (which shields do not do, lorewise). Armour does help you recover from injuries, it is why your health regenerates in ME2. The suit is threaded with conduits through which medi gel are dispensed. The hardsuits computer detects an injury and automatically sends a small amount of medigel to it.

Vanguards can wear medium armor, Vanguards are a hybrid between biotic and soldier- they're specialised in neither one, but trained in both. Thus increased but non-maximum armor makes sense.

Before you equip armor in ME2 you already regenerate health and shields.
What in ME1 are armor mods (combat exoskeleton, kinetec exoskeleton, medical exoskeleton, medical interface, shield boosts) are not available as mods in ME2, however the fact is- apparantly those things are available for light armors (which really is NOT much more than Miranda is wearing).
In ME1, armor itself does not provide power boosts, it's the modifications / amp / omnitool.

[Dr. rotinaj]

mrsph wrote...

I really only get annoyed when I put on a piece of armour and it covers...hardly anything. While when a dude puts it on, it covers everything.

Samara, Jacob, and Miranda's outfits do annoy me a lot though.

This. I remember a piece of clothing in Oblivion that is a vest on a man and a bra on a woman.

[AdmiralCheez]

@g54: About Ashley....

Yeah, I'm not too worried about the bun thing, yeah, it's hard to judge boob-size and suit tightness by one magazine image alone, and yeah, she may not even wear it in combat, but I'd rather get worked up about it now and just be mildly embarrassed later than have my optimism crushed.

Frankly, she could be naked so long as she's still Ashley, since that's what's important to me, but every once and a while I need to have myself a good hissy-fit.

[Warlocomotf]

BlackEssence wrote...

Warlocomotf wrote...

BlackEssence wrote...

That's fine. It's ok that you feel that way. Nothing wrong with that. But, I can't help but get the feeling that you want people to stop talking about it because it makes you feel uncomfortable. It's ok to feel that way, but just because you want the subject to stop does not mean that people are going to stop talking about it and, in my opinion, it doesn't give you justification to tell people how redundant they are being for talking about it BECAUSE you want it to stop ror die down. The best advice that I can suggest....is that if the subject bothers you, just try to fight the urge to say anything or...avoid the conversation as soon as you see a topic go in that direction. 

That's what I don't understand about people sometimes. If a subject bothers you and you hate it coming up or talking about it, why get into the conversation to talk about it or to tell others how silly it is? But, I digress. I'm not trying to come after you or anything, and I mean all the respect to you in the world. I really do. But, just as you shared your thoughts on the matter, I wanted to share mine.

That's a very silly suggestion, if I disagree with something I should not make a counter argument? I think that in general the complaints about form fitting armor is disproportional to actual opinions because those who disagree with the complaints about armor get labeled as "17 year old perverts"- which is funny, as another thread on the front page features the OP of this thread ogling over male characters and "squeeling"?

I never said being labeled as a pervert, heck, at ANY age, is funny. I don't find it funny at all. But, you should know how people really are. They are going to speak their minds about this and label people all the time, which EVERYONE is guilty of. So long as you make a point to not allow anyone to put that label on you and have you answer to it, that's all the matters. My suggestion was given to save you any unnecessary headaches that you may have, by accident, brought on yourself. That's all I was trying to do. But, I also have learned that when you try to talk to a person who has made-up mind about something, step back and walk away and let them learn on their own.

I was referring to the OP, quoting:

The one thing that annoys me most is that game developers often assume the only people that play their games are young, horny males who have never had a girlfriend and probably will never get one.

 
I was pointing out that people are hesitant to disagree because they want to avoid getting that label.

As for stepping back- I enjoy discussion (without the name calling), I can certanly be convinced of an other person's opinion andgenerally will accept when I see I have something wrong.

[Witty_Remark]

I never really grouped with Tali in ME1, so my memories of her from there are pretty vague. I remember it as Shepard having saved her bum from day one! In fact, that's how they met.

I will admit that in ME2, her conversations seemed a lot more nervous and soft than the previous game. That's character development though, and far be it from me to judge it as going in a good or bad direction. It's just happening.

I personally didn't like the Ashley change (concerning that GI picture). She never really seemed like the kind of person that would dress herself up like that. It also looked like they dolled up her face a bit, which seemed out of character to me.

All in all it was a new woman that put more stock in appearances than before.

Of course, if that's her change in personality, then again I can't judge. I just don't want them to keep her old personality, and change her looks purely as fan service.

The new look just doesn't convey practicality as well as the original.

[AntiChri5]

Before you equip armor in ME2 you already regenerate health and shields.

You cannot enter combat in ME2 until you put on your armour.

What in ME1 are armor mods (combat exoskeleton, kinetec exoskeleton, medical exoskeleton, medical interface, shield boosts) are not available as mods in ME2, however the fact is- apparantly those things are available for light armors (which really is NOT much more than Miranda is wearing).

I never said they had to wear heavy armour, just that they had to wear armour. And no, Mirandas clothes are not light armour.

In ME1, armor itself does not provide power boosts, it's the modifications / amp / omnitool.

Saying that the things you install into armour are not a part of it is like saying a rifles scope is not a part of it.

Modifié par AntiChri5, 22 avril 2011 - 06:09 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Legbiter wrote...

I want some eye candy in my games. Fat, frumpy and fugly I can see for free every day.

Did I say I'm against good-looking women?  No.  I like pretty ladies.  However, I like to think there's more to beauty than tight ass, massive ******, revealing clothing, and a stereotypical personality.

I actually thought Jack was really pretty.  She had a gorgeous face, and was adorably petitie.  The fact that she had a shaved head, tattoos everywhere, highly turnoffish clothing, and all the charm and eloquence of a drunken sailor made for an intriguing and somewhat hilarious contrast.

I also thought Samara had really pretty eyes.  I was honestly staring at her eyes way more often than her boobs.

See, that's the kind of beauty I like to see: unique, non-cookie-cutter features and strong, individual personalities.  It's what sets Bioware's ladies apart and makes them feel more like real people (even the aliens).  I don't want to lose that to marketing.  I know I probably won't, but nonetheless I dread the thought of it.

[BlackEssence]

Warlocomotf wrote...

BlackEssence wrote...

Warlocomotf wrote...

BlackEssence wrote...

That's fine. It's ok that you feel that way. Nothing wrong with that. But, I can't help but get the feeling that you want people to stop talking about it because it makes you feel uncomfortable. It's ok to feel that way, but just because you want the subject to stop does not mean that people are going to stop talking about it and, in my opinion, it doesn't give you justification to tell people how redundant they are being for talking about it BECAUSE you want it to stop ror die down. The best advice that I can suggest....is that if the subject bothers you, just try to fight the urge to say anything or...avoid the conversation as soon as you see a topic go in that direction. 

That's what I don't understand about people sometimes. If a subject bothers you and you hate it coming up or talking about it, why get into the conversation to talk about it or to tell others how silly it is? But, I digress. I'm not trying to come after you or anything, and I mean all the respect to you in the world. I really do. But, just as you shared your thoughts on the matter, I wanted to share mine.

That's a very silly suggestion, if I disagree with something I should not make a counter argument? I think that in general the complaints about form fitting armor is disproportional to actual opinions because those who disagree with the complaints about armor get labeled as "17 year old perverts"- which is funny, as another thread on the front page features the OP of this thread ogling over male characters and "squeeling"?

I never said being labeled as a pervert, heck, at ANY age, is funny. I don't find it funny at all. But, you should know how people really are. They are going to speak their minds about this and label people all the time, which EVERYONE is guilty of. So long as you make a point to not allow anyone to put that label on you and have you answer to it, that's all the matters. My suggestion was given to save you any unnecessary headaches that you may have, by accident, brought on yourself. That's all I was trying to do. But, I also have learned that when you try to talk to a person who has made-up mind about something, step back and walk away and let them learn on their own.

I was referring to the OP, quoting:

The one thing that annoys me most is that game developers often assume the only people that play their games are young, horny males who have never had a girlfriend and probably will never get one.

 
I was pointing out that people are hesitant to disagree because they want to avoid getting that label.

As for stepping back- I enjoy discussion (without the name calling), I can certanly be convinced of an other person's opinion andgenerally will accept when I see I have something wrong.

Same here. I'm not afraid to disagree or agree with anything that most are afraid to. But, I won't continue in a dicussion when I know that both parties may not walk away with a bit of wisdom from the other. So, that's why I stepped back. I apologize if that causes any kind of unpleasantness. Wasn't my intention. Just being honest and real about the situation.

[BlackEssence]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

I want some eye candy in my games. Fat, frumpy and fugly I can see for free every day.

Did I say I'm against good-looking women?  No.  I like pretty ladies.  However, I like to think there's more to beauty than tight ass, massive ******, revealing clothing, and a stereotypical personality.

I actually thought Jack was really pretty.  She had a gorgeous face, and was adorably petitie.  The fact that she had a shaved head, tattoos everywhere, highly turnoffish clothing, and all the charm and eloquence of a drunken sailor made for an intriguing and somewhat hilarious contrast.

I also thought Samara had really pretty eyes.  I was honestly staring at her eyes way more often than her boobs.

See, that's the kind of beauty I like to see: unique, non-cookie-cutter features and strong, individual personalities.  It's what sets Bioware's ladies apart and makes them feel more like real people (even the aliens).  I don't want to lose that to marketing.  I know I probably won't, but nonetheless I dread the thought of it.

Wanna get married? I have never heard a young man say something so full of wisdom in all my born days. Amen...amen....seriously, I am about to shed a happy tear over here. Beautifully said. *waves hands like they do in church.*

[XyleJKH]

regardless of what you may think cheeze, sex sells, always has. Quit you're whining. Three fact that you had time to write such an in depth rant shows bioware that you do have a lot of time on youre hands and that you don't likely have a significant other. Agreed on one thing though. That during the missions female characters wore very inappropriate gear for battle and/or environment they were in. also the foot ware. Really bioware high heels?

[KingDan97]

I'm a guy(evidentially an obligatory statement for all of us who own a tallywhacker in one of these types of threads), and I wasn't drawn towards Miranda at all for that reason. My first male playthrough of ME2 I decided to go after Jack because of her loyalty mission, before that I wasn't interested in any of the LIs. That doesn't mean I think she needs to be toned down because she's just not my type. How they should dress depends heavily on the character here. IMO if the costume fits their personality better than armor than let them wear it.

Tali is a quarian, she needs a skin tight suit.
Jack is an ex-convict and an experiment in human Biotics, she doesn't like to follow conventions and likely has the biotic strength to generate her own field.
Samara is a Justicar, and if that's their ceremonial armor than that's what the code abides by her to wear, it being heavier than other tech/biotics is very much nullified imo by the fact that all Asari have biotics.
Kasumi is a ninja, she's covered up well enough to have shield generators within her armor and it fits her persona.
Miranda is likely very self concious under all of that, look at her background, her father had her heavily modified both physically and mentally to be perfect which would leave anyone with some initial self-esteem issues, even if they're buried deep they're still there subconsciously influencing her.

And Black, it is extremely sexist that you insist that Thane and Jacob provide you some "eye candy" yet it's an absolutely deplorable idea in your opinion for any woman to be sexualized. That's all I'm gonna say.

[Warlocomotf]

You cannot enter combat in ME2 until you put on your armour.

Except when you just wake up from the operation table? Oh right.

Saying that the things you install into armour are not a part of it is like saying a rifles scope is not a part of it.

It exists for all armor types, not just the geavy armor.

And for reference, here's a picture of ME1 light armor:
xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/781/781355/mass-effect-20070417043814531-000.jpg

Modifié par Warlocomotf, 22 avril 2011 - 06:15 .

[AdmiralCheez]

BlackEssence wrote...

Wanna get married? I have never heard a young man say something so full of wisdom in all my born days. Amen...amen....seriously, I am about to shed a happy tear over here. Beautifully said. *waves hands like they do in church.*

I'm actually a woman. :|

However, as I am bisexual, I will still gladly accept the offer, provided you are willing to jump through the appropriate legal loopholes ;3

[Kusy]

ME1 light armor still had the ceramic plating, just thiner. Medium one is between that and the heavy armor.
And heavy armor = plate armor.

Modifié par Mr.Kusy, 22 avril 2011 - 06:17 .