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[Warlocomotf]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Legbiter wrote...

I want some eye candy in my games. Fat, frumpy and fugly I can see for free every day.

Did I say I'm against good-looking women?  No.  I like pretty ladies.  However, I like to think there's more to beauty than tight ass, massive ******, revealing clothing, and a stereotypical personality.

I actually thought Jack was really pretty.  She had a gorgeous face, and was adorably petitie.  The fact that she had a shaved head, tattoos everywhere, highly turnoffish clothing, and all the charm and eloquence of a drunken sailor made for an intriguing and somewhat hilarious contrast.

I also thought Samara had really pretty eyes.  I was honestly staring at her eyes way more often than her boobs.

See, that's the kind of beauty I like to see: unique, non-cookie-cutter features and strong, individual personalities.  It's what sets Bioware's ladies apart and makes them feel more like real people (even the aliens).  I don't want to lose that to marketing.  I know I probably won't, but nonetheless I dread the thought of it.

Here's the problem. You want what you like, you oppose anything else. I don't like Jack, and I don't like Samara- but I'm glad theyre part of the game- despite not being what I like, they add diversity. Diversity is good.

Modifié par Warlocomotf, 22 avril 2011 - 06:20 .

[Legbiter]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

However, I like to think there's more to beauty than tight ass, massive ******, revealing clothing, and a stereotypical personality.

No, you pretty much nailed it. For men anyway.

[Warlocomotf]

Mr.Kusy wrote...

ME1 light armor still had the ceramic plating, just thiner. Medium one is between that and the heavy armor.
And heavy armor = plate armor.

 

[AntiChri5]

Except when you just wake up from the operation table? Oh right.

You wake up from the operation table, go to a locker, put on your armour, and then fight the enemies.

It exists for all armor types, not just the geavy armor.

Yes, and as i said earlier they don't have to wear heavy armour so long as they wear armour.

And for reference, here's a picture of ME1 light armor:

Yes, i love the ME1 light armour.

Notice the armoured plates on parts of the body that don't need to be flexible?

Notice the helmet?

Notice the lack of exposed skin?

Notice the lack of cleavage?

Notice the lack of high heels?

Modifié par AntiChri5, 22 avril 2011 - 06:20 .

[CroGamer002]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I also thought Samara had really pretty eyes.  I was honestly staring at her eyes way more often than her boobs.

Those pretty eyes.








Just kidding, I watched her eyes more.

[AdmiralCheez]

@Warlocomotf: Okay, first of all, Garrus is hardly typical eyecandy and is dressed like a tank. Secondly, I am allowed to squee over hearing good news about one of my bros4life. And thirdly, you are allowed to disagree with me. Just because you have no problem with certain character design decisions does not make you a horny virgin nerd.

In fact, I am probably the horniest, virginest, and nerdiest person in this thread. Hell, I like big boobs as much as the next sexually-confused 20-year-old. I just disapprove of pandering to the lowest common denominator.

[Kusy]

AntiChri5 wrote...
Yes, i love the ME1 light armour.
Notice the armoured plates on parts of the body that don't need to be flexible?
Notice the helmet?
Notice the lack of exposed skin?
Notice the lack of cleavage?
Notice the lack of high heels?

Notice that someone actualy desinged this as a combat outfit, not a cool looking dressup. Just pointing out, not saying that cool dressups are entirely bad.

[TheKillerAngel]

In Bioware's defense, they have done a much better job of not oversexualzing female characters in their games compared to other companies. They might not be perfect but they are haardly the worst offenders; if anything they have been relatively more tasteful. Even if you find Miranda's outfit bothersome, it is much tamer compared to stuff you'd find in many other games. Go wander over to the boards of some Korean MMO like TERA Online - you will be in for a hell of a fight against the people who defend outfits like this in their games:



As for Jack, her outfit is a reflection of her rebellious personality more than it is intended to be sexual.

Modifié par TheKillerAngel, 22 avril 2011 - 06:23 .

[BlackEssence]

KingDan97 wrote...

I'm a guy(evidentially an obligatory statement for all of us who own a tallywhacker in one of these types of threads), and I wasn't drawn towards Miranda at all for that reason. My first male playthrough of ME2 I decided to go after Jack because of her loyalty mission, before that I wasn't interested in any of the LIs. That doesn't mean I think she needs to be toned down because she's just not my type. How they should dress depends heavily on the character here. IMO if the costume fits their personality better than armor than let them wear it.

Tali is a quarian, she needs a skin tight suit.
Jack is an ex-convict and an experiment in human Biotics, she doesn't like to follow conventions and likely has the biotic strength to generate her own field.
Samara is a Justicar, and if that's their ceremonial armor than that's what the code abides by her to wear, it being heavier than other tech/biotics is very much nullified imo by the fact that all Asari have biotics.
Kasumi is a ninja, she's covered up well enough to have shield generators within her armor and it fits her persona.
Miranda is likely very self concious under all of that, look at her background, her father had her heavily modified both physically and mentally to be perfect which would leave anyone with some initial self-esteem issues, even if they're buried deep they're still there subconsciously influencing her.

And Black, it is extremely sexist that you insist that Thane and Jacob provide you some "eye candy" yet it's an absolutely deplorable idea in your opinion for any woman to be sexualized. That's all I'm gonna say.

And you know why I said that? Because all you see is OVERSEXUALIZED women. Men have beauty, too. They don't have to where skin tight outfits or thongs to show that, but the fact that BW took the time to acknowledge that there are women out there who do game and actually gave US the chance to enjoy the beautiful structure of the male anatomy, something that is RARE, and you know it, is something I WILL NOT complain about it. Unlike the women's outfits that you are calling youself "justifying", these men were dressed. DRESSED. Sure, the outfits hugged their muscles, but you didn't see their "special packages", did you? Of course, not!

So, let's call a spade a spade on this matter. If the males in these game companies and male fans can have all the breasts and booties they can get, as wrong it is on both parties, which I pointed out earlier, heck, I say, give me, AS A WOMAN, that same satisfaction of having men with beautiful structured bodies for me to adore. I'll say this now, proud and loud, its not fair to have it be alright to work around breasts and butts in my face, but it's wrong for me to want to have sexy male stallion working around me.

So, if what I said makes me come off as sexist when I know I am telling the truth about the matter, then let me where a t-shirt, because I make NO apologies about it. But, I have to admit...its nice to see a male finally see what it feels like to be objectified by a women when your male counterparts do it us all the time. Doesn't feel good, does it?

Modifié par BlackEssence, 22 avril 2011 - 06:35 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Warlocomotf wrote...

Here's the problem. You want what you like, you oppose anything else. I don't like Jack, and I don't like Samara- but I'm glad theyre part of the game- despite not being what I like, they add diversity. Diversity is good.

Oh, no no no no!  Diversity is good!  And you're free to like whatever the hell you want!

See, I was actually okay with Miranda--I liked her as a character, thought she was fairly attractive, and giggled at the gratuitous camera angles.  I just don't want them all to be Miranda.

So really, I think we just misinterpreted each other's position.  I apparently made it seem like I wanted all sexiness eliminated, which I don't.  Other people thought you were advocating catsuits and giant jubblies for everyone, which you aren't.

This is a recurring theme on the internet.

[Witty_Remark]

Woah. That outfit wouldn't defend you from a pocketknife, let alone the Reapers.

[Warlocomotf]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Except when you just wake up from the operation table? Oh right.

You wake up from the operation table, go to a locker, put on your armour, and then fight the enemies.

It exists for all armor types, not just the geavy armor.

Yes, and as i said earlier they don't have to wear heavy armour so long as they wear armour.

And for reference, here's a picture of ME1 light armor:
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Yes, i love the ME1 light armour.

Notice the armoured plates on parts of the body that don't need to be flexible?

Notice the helmet?

Notice the lack of exposed skin?

Notice the lack of cleavage?

Notice the lack of high heels?

The helmet is outer space, the armored parts hardly look armored, Miranda doesn't expose a whole ton of skin. About 3 square inch. High heals? well, high I wouldn't call it- but I agree here.

However Miranda being at around the top of the Cerverus food chain, I think it's fair to say she'll have access to special equipment designed specifically for her.

Again, I'm in favor of separate combat and private armor, but I don't think every class should be wearing (heavy) armor.

[Guitar-Hero]

Warlocomotf wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Warlocomotf wrote...

Steffen wrote...

The game industry definately needs to grow up, but i think we as gamers also have a responsebility to make them aware of things that are not okay, IE women who look like they just jumped out of sports illustrated and humped Lara Croft, so cudos to you sir.. Though you did come off a bit extreme but hey.. this is the internet

The game industry? You don't think the fasion industry and the movie industry are doing the exact same things?

I hate to be the one telling you christmas isn't real, but portrayed relationships and attractive lead characters is the gaming industry growing up to match the rest of the media.

"movie industry" Yes it does this too, but the Fashion industry?... No I don't think they send women into combat wearing the kind of clothes Miranda wears...

The fashion industry objectifies and sexualizes the image of woman just the same as the movie and gaming industry (and disturbingly at increasingly lower ages).

As for the whole garbage about armor, you do realize that the shield generators used provide (in ME) equal protection at a fraction of the weight?

And despite all the constant whining about Miranda- she does have a personality and she does have a backstory- so long as characters have those I could really care less.

And what's up with the Tali hate anyway? She shows exactly 0 inches of skin and somehow she's still too much objectified? Honestly some people just won't be happy until female characters actually dissapear.

I was referring to the game industry as a whole, i did not name names of indivual characters, but since you brought it up yeah, recent years have taken an unfortunate turn(in my opinion) my gripes with the gaming industry(again being the generalizing ****** that i am) is the way some characters are handled(male and female) a good character isn't defined by their sex or the size of their "fun bags"  but rather how they diversefy themselves from every one else, no bear in mind that you could make a great game tackling themes like gender roles, how is woman/man percieved in society, what social stigma is attached to being a woman? does it add up to who she really is? already you have an interesting concept, the reason i am picking on games is that we as an industry already have the "games are for kids, and horney teenagers" sticker smacked in our face, if we want to be taken seriously, we have to take ourselves seriously first.

[Merchant2006]

YES YES IGNORE MY AVATAR AND SIGNATURE BEFORE YOU STOMP ON ME. Heh.

I actually found Samara, Miranda and some other characters in Mass Effect 2 very very funny. Jack, I took her attire and appearance with a pinch of salt and it wasn't like an "ogling" thing but rather it was her character. And she kicked ass the way she was. Thankfully her loyalty outfit and alternate appearance was good. As for Samara... what was all that about. And Miranda, that was super ass-serv *coughs* fan-service, and I loved how BioWare evaded the question about Miranda's appearance. I read in an interview in which someone asked about Miranda's butt being RIGHT ON THE SCREEN in one cutscene, I believe it was when she asks you r- *spoilers* right, well people actually asked BW and they got a "what are you talking about, we never noticed that" reply.

"Heh, camera angles... what camera angles! We... we never noticed that... right guys? Right?" *turns to BW employees who all nod innocently*

Right. Of course you didn't notice. I am glad BioWare didn't have sliders for body parts in Mass Effect. It'd be hilarious and also incredibly sad if they did so as I can guess most femsheps would be running around with ... you get what I'm getting at. But haven't video games always been overly sexualised when it came to women?

I mean you can say the same goddamn thing about men! Men in video games are always giant, muscular beefed up cool dressed/overly armoured guys. You have exceptions from time to time but just look at Chris Redfield. He's a goddamn roidrager now. And Jill... RE5 certainly wanted many people to have her in a jill sandwich. Ho my cod!

[Clover Rider]

 AC you are right on all points(well not the Tali one but that's just imo=])and BioWare needs to take some notes.

Modifié par Some Geth, 22 avril 2011 - 06:28 .

[naledgeborn]

I'm not worried. If they want to oversexualize or objectify females squadmates so be it. If they don't, so be it. I gotta wife at home, Mass Effect rule 34 isn't as appealing as she is at 4 in the morning.

[CannotCompute]

Well, about Jack... we fixed some of her issues in ME2. She was able to leave some of her past behind her, so it's not very surprising to find out that she will have softened up a bit in ME3.

[BlackEssence]

@AdmiralCheez: Heheh! Then, you have alot to teach these young men about how to view women because that was beautiful. lol!

[Legbiter]

naledgeborn wrote...

I'm not worried. If they want to oversexualize or objectify females squadmates so be it. If they don't, so be it. I gotta wife at home, Mass Effect rule 34 isn't as appealing as she is at 4 in the morning.

Objectify = Anything that turns men on. If it turns women on then it's just tasteful erotica.

Modifié par Legbiter, 22 avril 2011 - 06:37 .

[Warlocomotf]

BlackEssence wrote...

And you know why I said that? Because all you see is OVERSEXUALIZED women. Men have beauty, too. They don't have to where skin tight outfits or thongs to show that, but the fact that BW took the time to acknowledge that there are women out there who do game and actually gave US the chance to enjoy the beautiful structure of the male anatomy, something that is RARE, and you know it, is something I WILL NOT complain about it. Unlike the women's outfits that you are calling youself "justifying", these men were dressed. DRESSED. Sure, the outfits hugged their muscles, but you didn't see their "special packages", did you? Of course, not!

So, let's call a spade a spade on this matter. If the males in these game companies and male fans can have all the breasts and booties they can get, as wrong it is on both parties, which I pointed out earlier, heck, I say, give me, AS A WOMAN, that same satisfaction of having men with beautiful structured bodies for me to adore. I'll say this now, proud and loud, its not fair to have it be alright to work around breasts and butts in my face, but it's wrong for me to want to have sexy male stallion working around me.

I make NO apologies about it. But, I have to admit...its nice to see a male finally see what it feels like to be objectified by a women when your male counterparts do it us all the time. Doesn't feel good, does it?

Historically men have been attracted to women who could have their offspring, historically women have been attracted to men who can put food on the table (work). This has lead to the female image of attraction being focused around sex organs and make image of attraction being focused on a muscular build.

That's a difference in what makes up attraction for men/women, it does not make men devil and women saints.

Modifié par Warlocomotf, 22 avril 2011 - 06:39 .

[Silmane]

To hell with Miranda's (lack of)armor...

Fix that FACE!

[AntiChri5]

The helmet is outer space,

Not exclusively. You can choose to have them on while walking around.

the armored parts hardly look armored

~shrugs~ Does to me.

Miranda doesn't expose a whole ton of skin. About 3 square inch.

Thats enough to get horribly burned by an enemy flamethrower or incinerate. Enough to get harmed by lethal atmospheres, like space. Enough for a bullet to slam into.

However Miranda being at around the top of the Cerverus food chain, I think it's fair to say she'll have access to special equipment designed specifically for her.

MIrandas role was initially not combat related, so i don't think they would devote much resources to giving her a combat ready catsuit when she could simply put on armour.

Again, I'm in favor of separate combat and private armor, but I don't think every class should be wearing (heavy) armor.

Agreed on both counts. It doesn't have to be heavy armour, it just has to be armour. They can walk about naked on the ship for all i care, when i am going into an atmosphere so toxic it makes Grunts scales itch, i want them properly protected. Doesn't have to be heavy, just has to be armour.

[Merchant2006]

naledgeborn wrote...

I'm not worried. If they want to oversexualize or objectify females squadmates so be it. If they don't, so be it. I gotta wife at home, Mass Effect rule 34 isn't as appealing as she is at 4 in the morning.

Haaaaaah!

[BlackEssence]

Warlocomotf wrote...

BlackEssence wrote...

And you know why I said that? Because all you see is OVERSEXUALIZED women. Men have beauty, too. They don't have to where skin tight outfits or thongs to show that, but the fact that BW took the time to acknowledge that there are women out there who do game and actually gave US the chance to enjoy the beautiful structure of the male anatomy, something that is RARE, and you know it, is something I WILL NOT complain about it. Unlike the women's outfits that you are calling youself "justifying", these men were dressed. DRESSED. Sure, the outfits hugged their muscles, but you didn't see their "special packages", did you? Of course, not!

So, let's call a spade a spade on this matter. If the males in these game companies and male fans can have all the breasts and booties they can get, as wrong it is on both parties, which I pointed out earlier, heck, I say, give me, AS A WOMAN, that same satisfaction of having men with beautiful structured bodies for me to adore. I'll say this now, proud and loud, its not fair to have it be alright to work around breasts and butts in my face, but it's wrong for me to want to have sexy male stallion working around me.

I make NO apologies about it. But, I have to admit...its nice to see a male finally see what it feels like to be objectified by a women when your male counterparts do it us all the time. Doesn't feel good, does it?

Historically men have been attracted to women who could have their offspring, historically women have been attracted to men who can put food on the table (work). This has lead to the female image of attraction being focused around sex organs and make image of attraction being focused on a muscular build.

That's a difference in what makes up attraction for men/women, it does not make men devil and women saints.

Amen to that. ^____^*

[BlackEssence]

Silmane wrote...

To hell with Miranda's (lack of)armor...

Fix that FACE!

Omg....I thought I was the only one who...thought her face was slightly....odd. *giggles*