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[wizardryforever]

You know what my reactions were to Miranda's catsuit?  I thought:
"Well, that's pretty hot."
Then, "That doesn't seem feasible." <_<
Then I shrugged and ignored it.  That's about the extent of attention that I pay these things.  I don't defend (or ****** to) the sexy outfits, but I don't rail against them either.  The whole idea of oversexualization is a bit of a slippery slope.  How much is too much?  That's subjective, and there are always going to be some people that think anything shy of a burka is showing too much.  For others, even total nudity isn't too much (essentially, there's no such thing).  And everything in between.

As for the topic of fanservice, I have to ask, why do people think fanservice = bad?  People dismiss something as fanservice like it can't possibly have value if there's anything fanservicy about it.  Take Miranda.  People see her outfit (and the camera angles don't help) and say "oh, she's just fanservice, she all ****** and ass."  Which is actually just as shallow because you're judging her by her looks before learning anything about her character.  The very same thing that people claim fanservice exploits.  People judge things as fanservice and then write off those things (a whole race, in the Asari's case) as being beneath them, and possibly deplorable.  Why is this?  People should know that sexiness /= shallowness, and a hot bod does not mean no brain or no personality.  I'm curious as to why people make this assumption, while at the same time acting like they're better because they don't like the fanservice.

Anyway, Mass Effect 1 & 2 are nowhere near as bad as other games (neither was Oblivion) can be.  See that picture posted earlier for true oversexualization.

[Warlocomotf]

AntiChri5 wrote...

The helmet is outer space,

Not exclusively. You can choose to have them on while walking around.

the armored parts hardly look armored

~shrugs~ Does to me.

Miranda doesn't expose a whole ton of skin. About 3 square inch.

Thats enough to get horribly burned by an enemy flamethrower or incinerate. Enough to get harmed by lethal atmospheres, like space. Enough for a bullet to slam into.

However Miranda being at around the top of the Cerverus food chain, I think it's fair to say she'll have access to special equipment designed specifically for her.

MIrandas role was initially not combat related, so i don't think they would devote much resources to giving her a combat ready catsuit when she could simply put on armour.

Again, I'm in favor of separate combat and private armor, but I don't think every class should be wearing (heavy) armor.

Agreed on both counts. It doesn't have to be heavy armour, it just has to be armour. They can walk about naked on the ship for all i care, when i am going into an atmosphere so toxic it makes Grunts scales itch, i want them properly protected. Doesn't have to be heavy, just has to be armour.

Don't you think Miranda not being primarily a combat operative adds to the reason why she wouldn't wear obvious armor, but rather possibly some concealed inside her clothing?

And really, I could care a lot less about 3 inches of skin- and I think you'd probably agree with that.

PS. Sorry about my random v's all over the place, I'm currently not at my own computer and this keyboard has probably consumed more drinks than it should have.

Modifié par Warlocomotf, 22 avril 2011 - 06:50 .

[Epic777]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Warlocomotf wrote...

And what's up with the Tali hate anyway? She shows exactly 0 inches of skin and somehow she's still too much objectified? Honestly some people just won't be happy until female characters actually dissapear.

My problem with Tali was never her looks, nor was it her character.  My problem was that she acquired damsel-in-distress syndrome and needed Shepard to come save her all the time.  I can't help but feel she lost a little bit of her independence, and that makes me make this face :c

~Sigh~  Everyone needs Shepards help

[Seboist]

I for one hated Miranda's catsuit and never used her until her alternate appearance outfit came out.

I also can't stop scratching my head over Morinth being more modestly dressed than Samara.

[KingDan97]

BlackEssence wrote...

And you know why I said that? Because all you see is OVERSEXUALIZED women. Men have beauty, too. They don't have to where skin tight outfits or thongs to show that, but the fact that BW took the time to acknowledge that there are women out there who do game and actually gave US the chance to enjoy the beautiful structure of the male anatomy, something that is RARE, and you know it, is something I WILL NOT complain about it. Unlike the women's outfits that you are calling youself "justifying", these men were dressed. DRESSED. Sure, the outfits hugged their muscles, but you didn't see their "special packages", did you? Of course, not!

So, let's call a spade a spade on this matter. If the males in these game companies and male fans can have all the breasts and booties they can get, as wrong it is on both parties, which I pointed out earlier, heck, I say, give me, AS A WOMAN, that same satisfaction of having men with beautiful structured bodies for me to adore. I'll say this now, proud and loud, its not fair to have it be alright to work around breasts and butts in my face, but it's wrong for me to want to have sexy male stallion working around me.

So, if what I said makes me come off as sexist when I know I am telling the truth about the matter, then let me where a t-shirt, because I make NO apologies about it. But, I have to admit...its nice to see a male finally see what it feels like to be objectified by a women when your male counterparts do it us all the time. Doesn't feel good, does it?

Clearly misinterpretting my point here. I don't care about their designs. None of them bother me and your attempts at a Chewbacca Defense. My point is that you feel you should get what you find attractive as some ridiculous compensation for men having attractive symbols previously. And not only that but that men should somehow lose their attractive people just to somehow reach a point of supposed equality. If you have the right to Jacob, whose shoulders are way broader than any actual man, than men have the right to Miranda's set of assets.

Despite your supposed inate knowledge of me, I do have female friends. We get into conversations about what is physically appealing in men and never once have they mentioned a big package as a contributing factor. Women like rear ends and six packs based on the women I have asked. Based on my friends men like reasonably sized breasts and something to grab onto. So we've both been satiated and I ask only that you stop whining about what I want when what you want is equally unrealistic.

As for why all games have is "oversexualized" women is due to resources. Why in god's name would you assume that 200 summot years into the future fat people would still exist? I mean really and truthfully you think within 200 years they couldn't develop some means by which obesity could be circumvented with delicious, healthy food? Because it seems like you're asking for all sectors of society to be reasonably represented but in 200 years designer babies could easily be commonplace. Ugly people may well not exist any more merely because of technological advances.(Uglyshep aside)

I don't have an issue with my body, I am not sexually self concious and I see no real issue with people being unrealistically depicted in regards to males or females. Both genders are oversexualized. Don't paint yourself out to be the victim just because YOU are personally offended by a woman in peak condition, because I'm not offended when I see a buff guy. It's called a lifestyle choice, and we all make them every day.

Modifié par KingDan97, 22 avril 2011 - 06:52 .

[Knightsire]

I have to disagree with the OP to a certain extent. I'm glad Ashley is a bit more attractive in ME3. I liked the sex appeal in ME2. I don't have a problem with looking at beautiful people especially if it is in a sci-fi fantasy world in a video game. Nothing struck me as being completely out there. In fact, I thought the sex scenes were not spicy enough and probably could've been slightly more revealing when Shepard invites a LI up to his captain's quarters or during the initial act.

Maybe the outdoor armor on some team members could've been better done to be made more realistic, but on the ship I wasn't distracted at all by what they were wearing.

[Eudaemonium]

BlackEssence wrote...

Silmane wrote...

To hell with Miranda's (lack of)armor...

Fix that FACE!

Omg....I thought I was the only one who...thought her face was slightly....odd. *giggles*

Trust me, you are far from the only one. It seriously disturbed me the first time I played the game.

[KingDan97]

Knightsire wrote...

I have to disagree with the OP to a certain extent. I'm glad Ashley is a bit more attractive in ME3. I liked the sex appeal in ME2. I don't have a problem with looking at beautiful people especially if it is in a sci-fi fantasy world in a video game. Nothing struck me as being completely out there. In fact, I thought the sex scenes were not spicy enough and probably could've been slightly more revealing when Shepard invites a LI up to his captain's quarters or during the initial act.

Maybe the outdoor armor on some team members could've been better done to be made more realistic, but on the ship I wasn't distracted at all by what they were wearing.

You know the rules here, no being not completely PC and subservient to any opinion that appears "fair" in the eyes of a perceived minority. Here, take my flameshield, you'll need it.
*hands flameshield*

[BlackEssence]

KingDan97 wrote...

BlackEssence wrote...

And you know why I said that? Because all you see is OVERSEXUALIZED women. Men have beauty, too. They don't have to where skin tight outfits or thongs to show that, but the fact that BW took the time to acknowledge that there are women out there who do game and actually gave US the chance to enjoy the beautiful structure of the male anatomy, something that is RARE, and you know it, is something I WILL NOT complain about it. Unlike the women's outfits that you are calling youself "justifying", these men were dressed. DRESSED. Sure, the outfits hugged their muscles, but you didn't see their "special packages", did you? Of course, not!

So, let's call a spade a spade on this matter. If the males in these game companies and male fans can have all the breasts and booties they can get, as wrong it is on both parties, which I pointed out earlier, heck, I say, give me, AS A WOMAN, that same satisfaction of having men with beautiful structured bodies for me to adore. I'll say this now, proud and loud, its not fair to have it be alright to work around breasts and butts in my face, but it's wrong for me to want to have sexy male stallion working around me.

So, if what I said makes me come off as sexist when I know I am telling the truth about the matter, then let me where a t-shirt, because I make NO apologies about it. But, I have to admit...its nice to see a male finally see what it feels like to be objectified by a women when your male counterparts do it us all the time. Doesn't feel good, does it?

Clearly misinterpretting my point here. I don't care about their designs. None of them bother me and your attempts at a Chewbacca Defense. My point is that you feel you should get what you find attractive as some ridiculous compensation for men having attractive symbols previously. And not only that but that men should somehow lose their attractive people just to somehow reach a point of supposed equality. If you have the right to Jacob, whose shoulders are way broader than any actual man, than men have the right to Miranda's set of assets.

Despite your supposed inate knowledge of me, I do have female friends. We get into conversations about what is physically appealing in men and never once have they mentioned a big package as a contributing factor. Women like rear ends and six packs based on the women I have asked. Based on my friends men like reasonably sized breasts and something to grab onto. So we've both been satiated and I ask only that you stop whining about what I want when what you want is equally unrealistic.

As for why all games have is "oversexualized" women is due to resources. Why in god's name would you assume that 200 summot years into the future fat people would still exist? I mean really and truthfully you think within 200 years they couldn't develop some means by which obesity could be circumvented with delicious, healthy food? Because it seems like you're asking for all sectors of society to be reasonably represented but in 200 years designer babies could easily be commonplace. Ugly people may well not exist any more merely because of technological advances.(Uglyshep aside)

I don't have an issue with my body, I am not sexually self concious and I see no real issue with people being unrealistically depicted in regards to males or females. Both genders are oversexualized. Don't paint yourself out to be the victim just because YOU are personally offended by a woman in peak condition, because I'm not offended when I see a buff guy. It's called a lifestyle choice, and we all make them every day.

Speaking as a voluptuous woman, I won't even to retort with something that you, like others, have already made up your mind about about when it comes to obesity and the views that the world have formulated when it comes to body types and the perceptions people have influenced on them. I love my brown, round body as well and speaking as BLACK WOMAN, I won't even speak to you about the perceptions made about women in general regarding breast and butts because it is all genetic based when comparing what mean like physically in a women just a woman contemplates what she likes phyiscially in a man.

Which leads me to this question: Why in the world would you ask me to stop, what do you call it, "whining", about calling out a truth that is scared to be looked at...when 1: You know who I am from a can of paint? And 2: You have absolutely no say over me? Just as everyone here has a right to do, I will speak my mind when something that someone says doesn't sit right with me in my spirit. So, if you want to think that you have power over the internet to shut someone down, then you are about to be have a rude awakening very soon because I and I am sure anyone else here are not the kind of people to try that with.

So, as far as the discussion that you and I are having as of right now is done and finished. We both know that at the end of the day, we are going to believe what we want and I think I've made that clear here no matter what you may think or feel about it. Period.

Modifié par BlackEssence, 22 avril 2011 - 07:04 .

[AntiChri5]

Don't you think Miranda not being primarily a combat operative adds to the reason why she wouldn't wear obvious armor, but rather possibly some concealed inside her clothing?

I don't think you could conceal a hair in Miranda's clothing.

PS. Sorry about my random v's all over the place, I'm currently not at my own computer and this keyboard has probably consumed more drinks than it should have.

Heh, you should see how garbled my posts get when i am posting from my iphone.

[Silmane]

Miranda's boss rebuilt someone who fell from an exploding starship, through an atmosphere and to a planet with no ability to create a soft landing.

This is all I have to say on Miranda wearing what she wears.

[Warlocomotf]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Don't you think Miranda not being primarily a combat operative adds to the reason why she wouldn't wear obvious armor, but rather possibly some concealed inside her clothing?

I don't think you could conceal a hair in Miranda's clothing.

PS. Sorry about my random v's all over the place, I'm currently not at my own computer and this keyboard has probably consumed more drinks than it should have.

Heh, you should see how garbled my posts get when i am posting from my iphone.

Well, that just doesn't seem fair. I could maybe agree about the full black outfit, but the white and black outfit Miranda wears does not appear paperthin- honestly it looks about 2mm thick or so (which isn't much less than ME1 light armor- really).

[KingDan97]

BlackEssence wrote...

Speaking as a voluptuous woman, I won't even to retort with something that you, like others, have already made up your mind about about when it comes to obesity and the views that the world have formulated when it comes to body types and the perceptions people have influenced on them. I love my brown, round body as well and speaking as BLACK WOMAN, I won't even speak to you about the perceptions made about women in general regarding breast and butts because it is all genetic based when comparing what mean like physically in a women just a woman contemplates what she likes phyiscially in a man.

Which leads me to this question: Why in the world would you ask me to stop, what do you call it, "whining", about calling out a truth that is scared to be looked at...when 1: You know who I am from a can of paint? And 2: You have absolutely no say over me? Just as everyone here has a right to do, I will speak my mind when something that someone says doesn't sit right with me in my spirit. So, if you want to think that you have power over the internet to shut someone down, then you are about to be have a rude awakening very soon because I and I am sure anyone else here are not the kind of people to try that with.

So, as far as the discussion that you and I are having as of right now is done and finished. We both know that at the end of the day, we are going to believe what we want and I think I've made that clear here no matter what you may think or feel about it. Period.

Implying that I care that you're black or overweight is foolish. I assumed you were black but that doesn't change my argument and you get offended because I state that fat people won't exist in 200 years. I never claimed to have say over you, and this argument that telling someone to stop complained implies some percieved power over anyone on the internet of all things is just wrong. I don't care if you're fat, I don't care if you're black. But the idea that somehow that means every form of media needs at least one fat black woman is in fact asking for special treatment, which is not equality.

Either way, I've had debates with people over much less debatable things(iPods being MP3 players, macs being cheaper than comparable PCs, etc.) and if you want to quit merely because you think I'm racist/sexist/against fat people because of a reasonable future than go ahead and do it because much like the supposed issue with this game's presentation, this doesn't bother me.

[BlackEssence]

Eudaemonium wrote...

BlackEssence wrote...

Silmane wrote...

To hell with Miranda's (lack of)armor...

Fix that FACE!

Omg....I thought I was the only one who...thought her face was slightly....odd. *giggles*

Trust me, you are far from the only one. It seriously disturbed me the first time I played the game.

What seemed odd to me about her face was her jawline. Strange, I know. But, it seemed like the designers just had the hardest time trying to structure her face to the face model and he jawline was just an issue, which kind of made her mouth position weird as well. So, Miranda looks like she has an underbite a littke bit. So, I guess she isn't as perfect as she prizes, huh?

[Kusy]

BlackEssence wrote...
So, I guess she isn't as perfect as she prizes, huh?

Prizes are reserved for Jacob.

[AntiChri5]

Well, that just doesn't seem fair. I could maybe agree about the full black outfit, but the white and black outfit Miranda wears does not appear paperthin- honestly it looks about 2mm thick or so (which isn't much less than ME1 light armor- really).

You can see her belly button.

[Knightsire]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

@Warlocomotf: Okay, first of all, Garrus is hardly typical eyecandy and is dressed like a tank. Secondly, I am allowed to squee over hearing good news about one of my bros4life. And thirdly, you are allowed to disagree with me. Just because you have no problem with certain character design decisions does not make you a horny virgin nerd.

In fact, I am probably the horniest, virginest, and nerdiest person in this thread. Hell, I like big boobs as much as the next sexually-confused 20-year-old. I just disapprove of pandering to the lowest common denominator.

Why do you consider it pandering to the lowest common denominator?  If people couldn't sexualize anyone else, then I don't really see how we would survive as a species if no one ever wanted to f**k someone else.

[BlackEssence]

KingDan97 wrote...

BlackEssence wrote...

Speaking as a voluptuous woman, I won't even to retort with something that you, like others, have already made up your mind about about when it comes to obesity and the views that the world have formulated when it comes to body types and the perceptions people have influenced on them. I love my brown, round body as well and speaking as BLACK WOMAN, I won't even speak to you about the perceptions made about women in general regarding breast and butts because it is all genetic based when comparing what mean like physically in a women just a woman contemplates what she likes phyiscially in a man.

Which leads me to this question: Why in the world would you ask me to stop, what do you call it, "whining", about calling out a truth that is scared to be looked at...when 1: You know who I am from a can of paint? And 2: You have absolutely no say over me? Just as everyone here has a right to do, I will speak my mind when something that someone says doesn't sit right with me in my spirit. So, if you want to think that you have power over the internet to shut someone down, then you are about to be have a rude awakening very soon because I and I am sure anyone else here are not the kind of people to try that with.

So, as far as the discussion that you and I are having as of right now is done and finished. We both know that at the end of the day, we are going to believe what we want and I think I've made that clear here no matter what you may think or feel about it. Period.

Implying that I care that you're black or overweight is foolish. I assumed you were black but that doesn't change my argument and you get offended because I state that fat people won't exist in 200 years. I never claimed to have say over you, and this argument that telling someone to stop complained implies some percieved power over anyone on the internet of all things is just wrong. I don't care if you're fat, I don't care if you're black. But the idea that somehow that means every form of media needs at least one fat black woman is in fact asking for special treatment, which is not equality.

Either way, I've had debates with people over much less debatable things(iPods being MP3 players, macs being cheaper than comparable PCs, etc.) and if you want to quit merely because you think I'm racist/sexist/against fat people because of a reasonable future than go ahead and do it because much like the supposed issue with this game's presentation, this doesn't bother me.

Never said that you were a racist, never implied that you were racist, never even said that you were wrong about what's gonna happen 200 years from now when it comes to views of a person's physical appearances. I was trying to bring another perspective to counter your own. But, take it however you want to, Dan. I'm not offended or putoff by anything you said other than your wrong perception of calling me a sexist simply because I said give me the same cup of tea that men get when it comes to the physical make-up of women in games AND for the fact that you are asking me to do something that you know I won't do. Honestly now, that's not trying to have power over someone? 

I'll tell you what? I'll endulge you and let you think you are fooling me. Like I said, BlackEssence was sharing her opinion despite how uncomfy it makes you and shes gonna continue to do that. But, I will not let anyone ask me to stop telling the truth or from bringing in a different perception that some may not have thought about.

Modifié par BlackEssence, 22 avril 2011 - 07:24 .

[Legbiter]

Knightsire wrote...

Why do you consider it pandering to the lowest common denominator?  If people couldn't sexualize anyone else, then I don't really see how we would survive as a species if no one ever wanted to f**k someone else.

Because if it turns women on it's an example of tastefully done erotica. If it's geared towards men it's "objectification".

Some chicks get upset because of the overwhelming emphasis men place on direct visual cues. But that's not a bug, that's a feature, it's hardwired.

[Urdnot Orrad]

KingDan97 wrote...

Clearly misinterpretting my point here. I don't care about their designs. None of them bother me and your attempts at a Chewbacca Defense. My point is that you feel you should get what you find attractive as some ridiculous compensation for men having attractive symbols previously. And not only that but that men should somehow lose their attractive people just to somehow reach a point of supposed equality. If you have the right to Jacob, whose shoulders are way broader than any actual man, than men have the right to Miranda's set of assets.

Despite your supposed inate knowledge of me, I do have female friends. We get into conversations about what is physically appealing in men and never once have they mentioned a big package as a contributing factor. Women like rear ends and six packs based on the women I have asked. Based on my friends men like reasonably sized breasts and something to grab onto. So we've both been satiated and I ask only that you stop whining about what I want when what you want is equally unrealistic.

As for why all games have is "oversexualized" women is due to resources. Why in god's name would you assume that 200 summot years into the future fat people would still exist? I mean really and truthfully you think within 200 years they couldn't develop some means by which obesity could be circumvented with delicious, healthy food? Because it seems like you're asking for all sectors of society to be reasonably represented but in 200 years designer babies could easily be commonplace. Ugly people may well not exist any more merely because of technological advances.(Uglyshep aside)

I don't have an issue with my body, I am not sexually self concious and I see no real issue with people being unrealistically depicted in regards to males or females. Both genders are oversexualized. Don't paint yourself out to be the victim just because YOU are personally offended by a woman in peak condition, because I'm not offended when I see a buff guy. It's called a lifestyle choice, and we all make them every day.

This, 100%

I mean, hell, have any of you guys watched pro wrestling? 80% of the guys there are buffed out and 100% of the women are portrayed as sexy. I've been a WWE fan since I was three, so honestly, I've got no problem whatsoever with how the characters in ME2 were portrayed visually. I enjoyed them for their personalities.

Hey, for all we know, the "catsuit" on Miranda and "bodysuit" on Jacob may have both been specialized, advanced armor in themselves designed for them to use. Same for the likes of Samara, Tali, and Thane. Matter of fact, for Tali it's essential, because quarians rely on heavy shields to protect their bodysuits... which help them, y'know, live. Who really knows?

Christ, just stop complaining and enjoy the characters. If you really don't like them, then don't interact with them any more than you have to. Kill them off in the SM, I don't care. Just stop bloody complaining, because all it does is riles others up over tired issues.

[Clover Rider]

mrsph wrote...

I liked Miranda's AA.

That is what I prefer to see on characters, not a bunch of skintight suits that are there for no reason.

Yup my view as well.

[Someone With Mass]

I don't mind having sexy characters, but Mass Effect 2 is just overdoing it. Especially when Miranda's fugly ass is in the foreground in 90% of her conversations. When I'm talking to someone, I want to talk to their face, not their ass.

It's just a bad joke at that point.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 22 avril 2011 - 07:28 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Knightsire wrote...

Why do you consider it pandering to the lowest common denominator?  If people couldn't sexualize anyone else, then I don't really see how we would survive as a species if no one ever wanted to f**k someone else.

Because there's more to me and you than our respective genitals.  When all characters, male or female, are portrayed as little more than sex objects, it ignores everything else about what it means to be human.

Or, you know, alien.

Not that all characters are going to be portrayed as sex objects any time soon.  At least, I hope so.

[BlackEssence]

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

Clearly misinterpretting my point here. I don't care about their designs. None of them bother me and your attempts at a Chewbacca Defense. My point is that you feel you should get what you find attractive as some ridiculous compensation for men having attractive symbols previously. And not only that but that men should somehow lose their attractive people just to somehow reach a point of supposed equality. If you have the right to Jacob, whose shoulders are way broader than any actual man, than men have the right to Miranda's set of assets.

Despite your supposed inate knowledge of me, I do have female friends. We get into conversations about what is physically appealing in men and never once have they mentioned a big package as a contributing factor. Women like rear ends and six packs based on the women I have asked. Based on my friends men like reasonably sized breasts and something to grab onto. So we've both been satiated and I ask only that you stop whining about what I want when what you want is equally unrealistic.

As for why all games have is "oversexualized" women is due to resources. Why in god's name would you assume that 200 summot years into the future fat people would still exist? I mean really and truthfully you think within 200 years they couldn't develop some means by which obesity could be circumvented with delicious, healthy food? Because it seems like you're asking for all sectors of society to be reasonably represented but in 200 years designer babies could easily be commonplace. Ugly people may well not exist any more merely because of technological advances.(Uglyshep aside)

I don't have an issue with my body, I am not sexually self concious and I see no real issue with people being unrealistically depicted in regards to males or females. Both genders are oversexualized. Don't paint yourself out to be the victim just because YOU are personally offended by a woman in peak condition, because I'm not offended when I see a buff guy. It's called a lifestyle choice, and we all make them every day.

This, 100%

I mean, hell, have any of you guys watched pro wrestling? 80% of the guys there are buffed out and 100% of the women are portrayed as sexy. I've been a WWE fan since I was three, so honestly, I've got no problem whatsoever with how the characters in ME2 were portrayed visually. I enjoyed them for their personalities.

Hey, for all we know, the "catsuit" on Miranda and "bodysuit" on Jacob may have both been specialized, advanced armor in themselves designed for them to use. Same for the likes of Samara, Tali, and Thane. Matter of fact, for Tali it's essential, because quarians rely on heavy shields to protect their bodysuits... which help them, y'know, live. Who really knows?

Christ, just stop complaining and enjoy the characters. If you really don't like them, then don't interact with them any more than you have to. Kill them off in the SM, I don't care. Just stop bloody complaining, because all it does is riles others up over tired issues.

That's why I asked the question: If it bothers you to see these issues come up, WHY, OH WHY, put yourself in the sitution to comment about it if you were really sick and tired of the complaining? If you ask me, THAT in itself serves no purpose. It councils each other out! I mean, what the heck were you hoping to get out of it?

See, no one wants to talk about. I have yet to come across a brave soul who can intelligently answer that question.

My goodness! *smh*

Modifié par BlackEssence, 22 avril 2011 - 07:31 .