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[grimkillah]

I am not really concerned of Miranda's dress or Jack's lack of it. BioWare have offered player many different personalities that catered to all. I love the new Liara simply because of her new-found assertiveness during LotSB, and Tali's display of leadership quality during the trial, on Freedom's Progress and Haestrom make me fall in love with her. Both characters suffered typical stereotype weak clueless female needs saving during ME1, but with ME2 both have developed into an actual person, and someone who can lead and command the situation around her. Personally I am a sucker for girls like that. But besides that, BioWare still offered Miranda as sacrificial lamb towards the hormone driven teenage boys, so everyone is happy.

[Merchant2006]

Eudaemonium wrote...

BlackEssence wrote...

Silmane wrote...

To hell with Miranda's (lack of)armor...

Fix that FACE!

Omg....I thought I was the only one who...thought her face was slightly....odd. *giggles*

Trust me, you are far from the only one. It seriously disturbed me the first time I played the game.

BUT SHE'S SO BEAUTIFUL!

Hurr I'm a hoers.

Modifié par Merchant2006, 22 avril 2011 - 07:32 .

[Warlocomotf]

AntiChri5 wrote...

Well, that just doesn't seem fair. I could maybe agree about the full black outfit, but the white and black outfit Miranda wears does not appear paperthin- honestly it looks about 2mm thick or so (which isn't much less than ME1 light armor- really).

You can see her belly button.

Huh? I can't actually. I've looked up about 5 different pictures now, I can't see it. Not in the background image of this website, not in any other pictures I can find. Example:
http://4.bp.blogspot..._2D00_300x0.jpg

What you can see however, is that the edge of the material is a few milimeter thick, see:
http://images.wikia....aracter_Box.png

Look at the material on the left side of her neck, that meterial looks between 3 and 4 milimeters thick.

[BlackEssence]

Merchant2006 wrote...

Eudaemonium wrote...

BlackEssence wrote...

Silmane wrote...

To hell with Miranda's (lack of)armor...

Fix that FACE!

Omg....I thought I was the only one who...thought her face was slightly....odd. *giggles*

Trust me, you are far from the only one. It seriously disturbed me the first time I played the game.

BUT SHE'S SO BEAUTIFUL!

Omgoodness, with that smile, I swear I see Gomer Pyle in that face. LOL.

[Abramis brama]

I agree with AdmiralCheez 100%. These little things can be seriously worrying when we have so little information out.
I hate to see Ashley or Jack become a another victim of tight leather clothes and maximum sex appeal.

[jacobOriley]

Gabriel the First wrote...

Wow, the OP should seriously have a chill-pill. Though I do agree with AC, but it's kinda obvious, isn't it?

The OP is one of the most level headed, reasonable and humorous female poster's on these forums. There are other's of course, not trying to leave the other's out. I couldn't agree with the OP more and I'm a male gamer way past the adolescent age. ( I very much liked Jack the way she was in ME2 ). I just laugh at the way the devs attempt to appeal to a certain age, but I'm sure there's sales figure's to back it up. Sad really.

[Urdnot Orrad]

BlackEssence wrote...

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

Clearly misinterpretting my point here. I don't care about their designs. None of them bother me and your attempts at a Chewbacca Defense. My point is that you feel you should get what you find attractive as some ridiculous compensation for men having attractive symbols previously. And not only that but that men should somehow lose their attractive people just to somehow reach a point of supposed equality. If you have the right to Jacob, whose shoulders are way broader than any actual man, than men have the right to Miranda's set of assets.

Despite your supposed inate knowledge of me, I do have female friends. We get into conversations about what is physically appealing in men and never once have they mentioned a big package as a contributing factor. Women like rear ends and six packs based on the women I have asked. Based on my friends men like reasonably sized breasts and something to grab onto. So we've both been satiated and I ask only that you stop whining about what I want when what you want is equally unrealistic.

As for why all games have is "oversexualized" women is due to resources. Why in god's name would you assume that 200 summot years into the future fat people would still exist? I mean really and truthfully you think within 200 years they couldn't develop some means by which obesity could be circumvented with delicious, healthy food? Because it seems like you're asking for all sectors of society to be reasonably represented but in 200 years designer babies could easily be commonplace. Ugly people may well not exist any more merely because of technological advances.(Uglyshep aside)

I don't have an issue with my body, I am not sexually self concious and I see no real issue with people being unrealistically depicted in regards to males or females. Both genders are oversexualized. Don't paint yourself out to be the victim just because YOU are personally offended by a woman in peak condition, because I'm not offended when I see a buff guy. It's called a lifestyle choice, and we all make them every day.

This, 100%

I mean, hell, have any of you guys watched pro wrestling? 80% of the guys there are buffed out and 100% of the women are portrayed as sexy. I've been a WWE fan since I was three, so honestly, I've got no problem whatsoever with how the characters in ME2 were portrayed visually. I enjoyed them for their personalities.

Hey, for all we know, the "catsuit" on Miranda and "bodysuit" on Jacob may have both been specialized, advanced armor in themselves designed for them to use. Same for the likes of Samara, Tali, and Thane. Matter of fact, for Tali it's essential, because quarians rely on heavy shields to protect their bodysuits... which help them, y'know, live. Who really knows?

Christ, just stop complaining and enjoy the characters. If you really don't like them, then don't interact with them any more than you have to. Kill them off in the SM, I don't care. Just stop bloody complaining, because all it does is riles others up over tired issues.

That's why I asked the question: If it bothers you to see these issues come up, WHY, OH WHY, put yourself in the sitution to comment about it if you were really sick and tired of the complaining? If you ask me, THAT in itself serves no purpose. It councils each other out! I mean, what the heck were you hoping to get out of it?

My goodness! *smh*

Quite simply because I feel the need to ask others to stop raging over dead-horse issues, ma'am. It's nothing against people having their opinions, but if I had a dime for every time people hated on Miranda in these forums simply because of her clothing, I'd be Bill Gates. I just wish people would learn to agree to disagree about this sort of thing, you know?

Yeah yeah, I know... it's impossible. Doesn't stop me from trying to make it happen to some degree.

[Silmane]

grimkillah wrote...

I am not really concerned of Miranda's dress or Jack's lack of it. BioWare have offered player many different personalities that catered to all. I love the new Liara simply because of her new-found assertiveness during LotSB, and Tali's display of leadership quality during the trial, on Freedom's Progress and Haestrom make me fall in love with her. Both characters suffered typical stereotype weak clueless female needs saving during ME1, but with ME2 both have developed into an actual person, and someone who can lead and command the situation around her. Personally I am a sucker for girls like that. But besides that, BioWare still offered Miranda as sacrificial lamb towards the hormone driven teenage boys, so everyone is happy.

 "But besides that, BioWare still offered Miranda as sacrificial lamb towards the hormone driven teenage boys, so everyone is happy."

This is pretty funny lol. Because teenage boys are the only males who like good looking female bodies, right? 

Teenage boys can't even buy this damn game. 

[Clover Rider]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Knightsire wrote...

Why do you consider it pandering to the lowest common denominator?  If people couldn't sexualize anyone else, then I don't really see how we would survive as a species if no one ever wanted to f**k someone else.

Because there's more to me and you than our respective genitals.  When all characters, male or female, are portrayed as little more than sex objects, it ignores everything else about what it means to be human.

Or, you know, alien.

Not that all characters are going to be portrayed as sex objects any time soon.  At least, I hope so.

You know what I like most about a character like this one http://onepiece.wiki...ki/Nami/History nope not the looks but the good personality and great backstory.

[Someone With Mass]

Silmane wrote...
 "But besides that, BioWare still offered Miranda as sacrificial lamb towards the hormone driven teenage boys, so everyone is happy."

This is pretty funny lol. Because teenage boys are the only males who like good looking female bodies, right? 

Teenage boys can't even buy this damn game. 

Eh...yes, they can. The rating is just a suggestion, not a rule.

[AntiChri5]

Warlocomotf wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...

Well, that just doesn't seem fair. I could maybe agree about the full black outfit, but the white and black outfit Miranda wears does not appear paperthin- honestly it looks about 2mm thick or so (which isn't much less than ME1 light armor- really).

You can see her belly button.

Huh? I can't actually. I've looked up about 5 different pictures now, I can't see it. Not in the background image of this website, not in any other pictures I can find. Example:
http://4.bp.blogspot..._2D00_300x0.jpg

What you can see however, is that the edge of the material is a few milimeter thick, see:
http://images.wikia....aracter_Box.png

Look at the material on the left side of her neck, that meterial looks between 3 and 4 milimeters thick.

Not near thick enough.

In her black outfit, her belly button is clearly visible, and the only difference between her white outfit and her black one are the colour.

[Silmane]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Silmane wrote...
 "But besides that, BioWare still offered Miranda as sacrificial lamb towards the hormone driven teenage boys, so everyone is happy."

This is pretty funny lol. Because teenage boys are the only males who like good looking female bodies, right? 

Teenage boys can't even buy this damn game. 

Eh...yes, they can. The rating is just a suggestion, not a rule.

Oh man, you dodged that one! 

You sidestepped the point completely and I knew someone would. 

[Ahglock]

Warlocomotf wrote...

You cannot enter combat in ME2 until you put on your armour.

Except when you just wake up from the operation table? Oh right.

Saying that the things you install into armour are not a part of it is like saying a rifles scope is not a part of it.

It exists for all armor types, not just the geavy armor.

And for reference, here's a picture of ME1 light armor:
xbox360media.ign.com/xbox360/image/article/781/781355/mass-effect-20070417043814531-000.jpg

No that is an artists rendition of light armor.  Below is one of the lightest of light armor,s and it looks  a heck of a lot more protective than Miranda's outfit.  Some of the higher quality light armors had some really thick and obvious plates.

[AntiChri5]

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

Quite simply because I feel the need to ask others to stop raging over dead-horse issues, ma'am. It's nothing against people having their opinions, but if I had a dime for every time people hated on Miranda in these forums simply because of her clothing, I'd be Bill Gates. I just wish people would learn to agree to disagree about this sort of thing, you know?

Yeah yeah, I know... it's impossible. Doesn't stop me from trying to make it happen to some degree.

Heres a hint: Most are not hating on Miranda, they are hating on the outfit BioWare put her in.

[grimkillah]

Silmane wrote...

grimkillah wrote...

I am not really concerned of Miranda's dress or Jack's lack of it. BioWare have offered player many different personalities that catered to all. I love the new Liara simply because of her new-found assertiveness during LotSB, and Tali's display of leadership quality during the trial, on Freedom's Progress and Haestrom make me fall in love with her. Both characters suffered typical stereotype weak clueless female needs saving during ME1, but with ME2 both have developed into an actual person, and someone who can lead and command the situation around her. Personally I am a sucker for girls like that. But besides that, BioWare still offered Miranda as sacrificial lamb towards the hormone driven teenage boys, so everyone is happy.

 "But besides that, BioWare still offered Miranda as sacrificial lamb towards the hormone driven teenage boys, so everyone is happy."

This is pretty funny lol. Because teenage boys are the only males who like good looking female bodies, right? 

Teenage boys can't even buy this damn game. 

I found Miranda's body a turnoff, and I don't know what country you are from, but teenages can buy this game in my country.

[Knightsire]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Knightsire wrote...

Why do you consider it pandering to the lowest common denominator?  If people couldn't sexualize anyone else, then I don't really see how we would survive as a species if no one ever wanted to f**k someone else.

Because there's more to me and you than our respective genitals.  When all characters, male or female, are portrayed as little more than sex objects, it ignores everything else about what it means to be human.

Or, you know, alien.

Not that all characters are going to be portrayed as sex objects any time soon.  At least, I hope so.

Why can't it be there as a part of the whole person?  Yeah, that person is sexy as is obvious from their appearance, but the story of Miranda is exposed in dialogue as you get to know her.  There is a sense of genuine selflessness she displays to her sister and the fact that she can't have children as leaked via the Shadowbroker files gives her a certain vulnerability.

I don't see why you can't have both.  It certainly happens in real life.  The first thing you will notice about her is that she is beautiful, but there is also a person there as well provided that you take the time to invest in getting to know her character.  It really does seem like the best of both worlds with the option to either take it to a level skin deep or look deeper behind the mask.

Honestly, I think the game does this well.  The way you romance Miranda can be slightly different based upon conversation choices.  In one scenario you can romance her as a person and appeal to how she feels about you.  Then, there is a another set of conversation choices where you act like a complete ass and she calls you out on that where you make it clear you just want to get in her pants.  The resulting love scene may be the same, but the journey was different in my opinion.

Modifié par Knightsire, 22 avril 2011 - 07:46 .

[Almostfaceman]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

... but I need to get this out of my system.

The one thing that annoys me most is that game developers often assume the only people that play their games are young, horny males who have never had a girlfriend and probably will never get one.  Female characters, if present at all, are frequently given over-exaggerated "hot" bodies jammed into revealing and too-tight outfits.

Well, to be fair, guys are horny whether they be 17 or 45 and with or without girlfriends/wives.  It's what we do.

If one even takes a casual glance at marketing - it's hyper-sexualized.  Good or bad, this is the world we live in today.  

Bioware is no exception, but to their credit they often made a joke out of it to mock their cheap pandering to a seventeen-year-old's erection and backed off on the whole boobies thing when it wasn't appropriate.  For example, take ME1: it had an entire race of sexy babes, but Bioware was able to get away with this because they poked fun at the trope and also gave the asari an interesting culture and deep characters.  There was only one case of extreme cleavage (Matriarch Boobnezia Benezia), and none of the female leads were overtly sexualized (FemShep and Ashley especially were pretty plain in their body-types and never wore anything incredibly revealing apart from certain types of armor that had a tendency to ride up the crack).  So I let them get away with it.

Yes, relatively speaking I thought Bioware did a fair job at keeping the game PG-13 ish.  

And then came ME2.  Suddenly, boobs, boobs everywhere (plus a few manly bits this go-round: check out Jacob and Thane.  Specifically, check out Jacob's butt, which really is as bad as Miranda's save for it got less screen time).  Now, I didn't complain too much because for the most part it fit the characters and again they mocked themselves for doing it (Miranda's buttshots and her encounter with a certain Eclipse commando).  It only really got stupid when people started running around with naught but a breather mask, and at the very least all the characters were interesting enough as people that I was able to look past the cleavage.  However, Tali's reduction into a "shrinking violet" type of character set off alarm bells in my head, and the presentation of all female characters in Genesis (the PS3 comic) would have made me punch Casey Hudson in the teeth had I not been able to transfer my blame to the Dark Horse team, who tend to kind of suck anyway.  At least they didn't try to sex up FemShep apart from some really agressive flirting which I usually avoided or skipped over anyway.  So again, Bioware got a pass.  A very shaky pass, but at least it wasn't Soul Calibur or Dead or Alive.

I must admit, the breather mask thing was slightly annoying, because the previous game covered people up for hostile environments.  But only slightly - it's a game - not a space simulator.

Very respectfully I do suggest that you are overly-sensitive about Tali being a "shrinking violet".  I find her reactions fairly realistic - hero complexes do exist.  If there's anyone who fits the hero mold - it's Shepard.  Tali still though doesn't mind disagreeing with me.  She still likes to get her hands dirty in a fight.  She doesn't ask me for help in her mission.  She doesn't lose her love and focus for starships or electronics.  She just falls in love, and that changes things, always.

But now, looking at the new information trickling in about ME3, I am beginning to suspect things are going to get worse (perhaps better for those of you who play alone and with one hand).  I know we know next to nothing about ME3, but Ashley's new look (sans bun, bigger ******, and a tight body suit) plus their comment about Jack being softened and matured raised a few red flags.  The PS3M article, which I shouldn't pay attention to because it was written by a bunch of very randy morons who didn't bother to do their homework, only made matters worse by reminding everyone how hot and sexy all the female characters are.

Listen, fellas: Jack and Ashley were cool because they didn't conform to the role of typical female lead.  Now, I'm hopeful these two characters will retain their unique (albeit somewhat abrasive) personalities, but after Tali...  I really don't know.

I won't repeat myself about Tali but I would personally welcome some changes in Jack.  She's processing a traumatic childhood and she's going to go through phases in her struggle to cope with it.  I think she'll still be salty and tough, but she may have learned a bit about the value of teamwork.  Her encounter with the overwhelming threat of the Reapers may have sobered her outlook a bit as well, so she's less focused on becoming a pirate and more focused on working with her friend Shep in destroying the Reapers.

I don't see Bioware reverting back to the combat suites of ME1, so yes I expect Ash to show up in some kind of catsuit.  If she doesn't, fine.  I've always thought she was hot so I'm looking forward to different looks from her.  Rather than lose her abrasiveness, though, I think if she's a Spectre she may have found a useful outlet for it.  We'll see.

Yeah, I know I'm complaining too much.  But honestly, one of the reasons I enjoy the Mass Effect series is that I can play it without feeling like the developers think I'm some sort of half-wit mouth-breather.  I mean, seriously Bioware, you don't have to objectify your characters when your fans do it for you.  Put what you do best--your characters--first, and save the energy wasted on over-abundant sex appeal for something more important.

And yeah, I know I probably shouldn't be worrying.  I'm sure ME3 will be an awesome game, but nonetheless, consider me mildly concerned.

EDIT: Fixed a typo.  Seriously, "Asley?"  Boy oh boy, I don't even...

I agree with you - you are worrying a little too much.  Please don't.  I understand your concerns but I don't believe that we're going to lose character in ME3.  If LotSB is any kind of indicator, we're just going to learn more about the characters we already enjoy.

[Legbiter]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Because there's more to me and you than our respective genitals.  When all characters, male or female, are portrayed as little more than sex objects, it ignores everything else about what it means to be human.

Heh, if you're going to make a character be romancable to a man you definetly need to make it worth his while looks wise. Unique snowflake frumps don't have the sexual market value to land a catch like Shepard without bringing something to the table in that regard. Sorry about that but that's how it is.

[Someone With Mass]

Even if Miranda's suit protects against bullets, there's this cute little thing called kinetic energy.

[BlackEssence]

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

BlackEssence wrote...

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

Clearly misinterpretting my point here. I don't care about their designs. None of them bother me and your attempts at a Chewbacca Defense. My point is that you feel you should get what you find attractive as some ridiculous compensation for men having attractive symbols previously. And not only that but that men should somehow lose their attractive people just to somehow reach a point of supposed equality. If you have the right to Jacob, whose shoulders are way broader than any actual man, than men have the right to Miranda's set of assets.

Despite your supposed inate knowledge of me, I do have female friends. We get into conversations about what is physically appealing in men and never once have they mentioned a big package as a contributing factor. Women like rear ends and six packs based on the women I have asked. Based on my friends men like reasonably sized breasts and something to grab onto. So we've both been satiated and I ask only that you stop whining about what I want when what you want is equally unrealistic.

As for why all games have is "oversexualized" women is due to resources. Why in god's name would you assume that 200 summot years into the future fat people would still exist? I mean really and truthfully you think within 200 years they couldn't develop some means by which obesity could be circumvented with delicious, healthy food? Because it seems like you're asking for all sectors of society to be reasonably represented but in 200 years designer babies could easily be commonplace. Ugly people may well not exist any more merely because of technological advances.(Uglyshep aside)

I don't have an issue with my body, I am not sexually self concious and I see no real issue with people being unrealistically depicted in regards to males or females. Both genders are oversexualized. Don't paint yourself out to be the victim just because YOU are personally offended by a woman in peak condition, because I'm not offended when I see a buff guy. It's called a lifestyle choice, and we all make them every day.

This, 100%

I mean, hell, have any of you guys watched pro wrestling? 80% of the guys there are buffed out and 100% of the women are portrayed as sexy. I've been a WWE fan since I was three, so honestly, I've got no problem whatsoever with how the characters in ME2 were portrayed visually. I enjoyed them for their personalities.

Hey, for all we know, the "catsuit" on Miranda and "bodysuit" on Jacob may have both been specialized, advanced armor in themselves designed for them to use. Same for the likes of Samara, Tali, and Thane. Matter of fact, for Tali it's essential, because quarians rely on heavy shields to protect their bodysuits... which help them, y'know, live. Who really knows?

Christ, just stop complaining and enjoy the characters. If you really don't like them, then don't interact with them any more than you have to. Kill them off in the SM, I don't care. Just stop bloody complaining, because all it does is riles others up over tired issues.

That's why I asked the question: If it bothers you to see these issues come up, WHY, OH WHY, put yourself in the sitution to comment about it if you were really sick and tired of the complaining? If you ask me, THAT in itself serves no purpose. It councils each other out! I mean, what the heck were you hoping to get out of it?

My goodness! *smh*

Quite simply because I feel the need to ask others to stop raging over dead-horse issues, ma'am. It's nothing against people having their opinions, but if I had a dime for every time people hated on Miranda in these forums simply because of her clothing, I'd be Bill Gates. I just wish people would learn to agree to disagree about this sort of thing, you know?

Yeah yeah, I know... it's impossible. Doesn't stop me from trying to make it happen to some degree.

You darn right it's impossible. Just as it's impossible to ask people to do something when they have the right to do whatever they wanna do and talk about what ever they want to talk about when it comes to topics like this. But, you have the power to avoid the situation if it frustrates you. So, why get into it when you KNOW the outcome and how it makes you feel? Until someone answers that, asking people to stop whining when they have a right to that is illogical and it serves no purpose. Just my opinion on that. When I give my thoughts on something, I seek no approval or seek for people to change their minds and since being here in the short time that I have, all I see is people trying to change other people's minds because they don't agree with what that person says and its absolutely pathetic.

Modifié par BlackEssence, 22 avril 2011 - 07:50 .

[Ahglock]

Some Geth wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Knightsire wrote...

Why do you consider it pandering to the lowest common denominator?  If people couldn't sexualize anyone else, then I don't really see how we would survive as a species if no one ever wanted to f**k someone else.

Because there's more to me and you than our respective genitals.  When all characters, male or female, are portrayed as little more than sex objects, it ignores everything else about what it means to be human.

Or, you know, alien.

Not that all characters are going to be portrayed as sex objects any time soon.  At least, I hope so.

You know what I like most about a character like this one http://onepiece.wiki...ki/Nami/History nope not the looks but the good personality and great backstory.

The Nami's arc on her home isalnd is one of my favorite stories ever, not limiting it to anime at all.  Lets just say I get a lot of dust in my eyes when watching or reading that.  

[AdmiralCheez]

Urdnot Orrad wrote...

This, 100%

No, not that.  The post you quoted fails to acknowledge the wide variance in tastes and turn-ons.  If we all just liked what we were supposedly programmed to, then that would be the only kind of people who would be reproducing.

I mean, hell, have any of you guys watched pro wrestling? 80% of the guys there are buffed out and 100% of the women are portrayed as sexy. I've been a WWE fan since I was three, so honestly, I've got no problem whatsoever with how the characters in ME2 were portrayed visually. I enjoyed them for their personalities.

Not everyone likes pro-wrestling.  I think it's disgusting and campy, and don't find any male or female wrestler visually striking.

Hey, for all we know, the "catsuit" on Miranda and "bodysuit" on Jacob may have both been specialized, advanced armor in themselves designed for them to use. Same for the likes of Samara, Tali, and Thane. Matter of fact, for Tali it's essential, because quarians rely on heavy shields to protect their bodysuits... which help them, y'know, live. Who really knows?

As someone mentioned before, what happens when the shields go down?

I don't have a problem with unique outfits so long as they are unique.  When most or all of them are tight, form-fitting, and revealing, they're not precisely unique, are they?

If you read the OP, you will notice I said that I tolerated ME2's boobage because it fit the characters and compared to other games wasn't that bad.  However, there is a line that can be crossed, and Bioware seems to be getting closer and closer to it.

Christ, just stop complaining and enjoy the characters. If you really don't like them, then don't interact with them any more than you have to. Kill them off in the SM, I don't care. Just stop bloody complaining, because all it does is riles others up over tired issues.

Whoa, fella, you are way off the mark.

I love the characters.  All of them.  Even Jacob.  I love them because of their personalities, their backstories, the writing and voice-acting that came with them--hell, even their power loadouts!

However, the main reason I love them is because they are unique.  I worry that, in pandering to easy sex appeal, these characters will lose their individuality and become cookie-cutter bodies with cookie-cutter personalities.  Will this happen?  Probably not, but it's possible that Bioware's starting to slide down that slope.

[Clover Rider]

Ahglock wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Knightsire wrote...

Why do you consider it pandering to the lowest common denominator?  If people couldn't sexualize anyone else, then I don't really see how we would survive as a species if no one ever wanted to f**k someone else.

Because there's more to me and you than our respective genitals.  When all characters, male or female, are portrayed as little more than sex objects, it ignores everything else about what it means to be human.

Or, you know, alien.

Not that all characters are going to be portrayed as sex objects any time soon.  At least, I hope so.

You know what I like most about a character like this one http://onepiece.wiki...ki/Nami/History nope not the looks but the good personality and great backstory.

The Nami's arc on her home isalnd is one of my favorite stories ever, not limiting it to anime at all.  Lets just say I get a lot of dust in my eyes when watching or reading that.  

It's one of the things the anime got right from the manga and it gets me everytime too.