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[omgodzilla]

Obviously Bioware has to balance the pros and cons of being Paragon or Renegade. One cannot be more benificial than the other. So would you be pissed if most of the Krogan clans refuse to help you out in the fight against the Reapers IF you saved the Rachni? Wrex and Clan Urdnot would still fight for you but I don't see how you could convince the rest of them to cooperate with the Rachni. There is just too much bad blood between them. Even Wrex was against the idea of letting the Queen live and he is one of the most open minded Krogan out there. So Paragons would get the Rachni and Clan Urdnot in their army whereas Renegades would get all of the Krogan clans. Seems like a fair trade to me. What do you think?

Modifié par omgodzilla, 23 avril 2011 - 02:53 .

[Vanaer]

A true paragon still has the genophage data as a leverage.

[Sebby]

Not if I can ally with the Vorcha instead.

[omgodzilla]

Vanaer wrote...

A true paragon still has the genophage data as a leverage.

in that case, maybe it becomes harder for you to recruit the Salarians or the Turians?

[ISpeakTheTruth]

I don't see the Krogan having a problem with the Rachni nearly as much as with the Council. If you can convince them to follow you along side the government that nearly sterilized their people and killled billions of them during the rebelions than they should have no problem fighting with a race they fought with in a one one one war if anything I could see the Krogan respecting the Rachni for being able to survive despite someone trying to wipe them out, they endured just like the Krogan I could see them getting along rather well.

[omgodzilla]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

I don't see the Krogan having a problem with the Rachni nearly as much as with the Council. If you can convince them to follow you along side the government that nearly sterilized their people and killled billions of them during the rebelions than they should have no problem fighting with a race they fought with in a one one one war if anything I could see the Krogan respecting the Rachni for being able to survive despite someone trying to wipe them out, they endured just like the Krogan I could see them getting along rather well.

Yeah I guess that makes sense. I don't really agree with them respecting the Rachni though. On Noveria, Wrex says "Millions of my ancestors died to put those things down. Don't let them come back". If Wrex was so pissed at the notion of letting them live then I just don't see how most of the other Krogan would feel any better about it. Saving the Rachni should definitely cause a political ****storm though and make it harder for you to build an army.

[Merchant2006]

As for the Rachni... I think the Krogan will have to come and realise that they need all the help they can get. They may be all chestpounding warlovers but even a tough ass general knows when you need the help of everyone you can get.

omgodzilla wrote...

Vanaer wrote...

A true paragon still has the genophage data as a leverage.

in that case, maybe it becomes harder for you to recruit the Salarians or the Turians?

I think the term "Beggars can't be choosey" comes to mind. They may not agree with you having the 'cure data' but with the Reapers reaping the galaxy I don't think they can argue much against it. I'm guessing being preoccupied with the whole "our way of life and race are about to be extinct if we don't act now" is more important to both Salarians and Turians ^^.

[Dean_the_Young]

Vanaer wrote...

A true paragon still has the genophage data as a leverage.

Which doesn't mean the leverage works.

[aimlessgun]

Er...how exactly do they know you saved the Rachni? Did one of your crew sell you out?

[thatguy212]

aimlessgun wrote...

Er...how exactly do they know you saved the Rachni? Did one of your crew sell you out?

Wrex would have told the krogan probably

[Big I]

I would be annoyed if I saved Wrex, did Grunt's loyalty mission, kept Grunt alive, and saved the genophage data...but they STILL wouldn't ally with me.

Modifié par LookingGlass93, 22 avril 2011 - 07:29 .

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Vanaer wrote...

A true paragon still has the genophage data as a leverage.

Which doesn't mean the leverage works.

I'm sure it will help. If a pure paragon has saved Wrex, gained Grunt's loyalty, kept him alive, and saved the Genophage data only to have the Krogan say 'No thank you." Well then you'd have a situation like DA2 where what you did in the game didn't matter at all and I doubt Bioware would do that again.

[AerisBru]

Krogan refusing to fight in the biggest war EVER? I can't see it. Maybe LATER they would have problem with the rachni, but not before the battles against the Reapers.

[omgodzilla]

Merchant2006 wrote...

As for the Rachni... I think the Krogan will have to come and realise that they need all the help they can get. They may be all chestpounding warlovers but even a tough ass general knows when you need the help of everyone you can get.

omgodzilla wrote...

Vanaer wrote...

A true paragon still has the genophage data as a leverage.

in that case, maybe it becomes harder for you to recruit the Salarians or the Turians?

I think the term "Beggars can't be choosey" comes to mind. They may not agree with you having the 'cure data' but with the Reapers reaping the galaxy I don't think they can argue much against it. I'm guessing being preoccupied with the whole "our way of life and race are about to be extinct if we don't act now" is more important to both Salarians and Turians ^^.

It really shouldn't be that simple. Having everyone get along so easily doesn't seem very plausible. There has to be some kind of negative effect to letting the Queen live or saving the genophage data. Besides, Krogans aren't the most rational group of people out there. In ME1, Wrex tells you a story about his father. He said that his father wanted to continue fighting wars even though their population was suffering dire consequences from the genopage. Wrex tried to tell him to forget about war and focus on breeding but he wouldn't listen.

Also, look at Gavatog Uvenk or whatever his name was. Hes that one guy on Grunt's loyalty mission. He was pissed at Wrex for trying to unite all the Krogan clans because it went against tradition. He also hated Grunt for being tank bred even though Grunt was tough as hell. I am sure that there are plenty of other narrow minded Krogan leaders out there. They could be appalled at the idea of allying  with the Rachni and simply refuse to help you.

As for the coucil races, I am sure that they would intelligent enough to help fght the Reapers but their effectivness in the war could depend on whether you kept the genopage data or saved the Rachni. It could work similarly to the loyalty system in ME2. If you did kept the genopage data and saved the Rachni then there could be a crap ton of internal tensions among these races. They won't be as loyal to you and end up recieving alot of casualties in the final fight against the Reapers. If you did kill the Rachni and destroyed the genopage data then they would be more loyal to you and be more effective or whatever. Of course there are various other factors that could also come into play as well such as whether or not you killed the council so maybe they could have various levels of loyalty.

[Dean_the_Young]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Vanaer wrote...

A true paragon still has the genophage data as a leverage.

Which doesn't mean the leverage works.

I'm sure it will help. If a pure paragon has saved Wrex, gained Grunt's loyalty, kept him alive, and saved the Genophage data only to have the Krogan say 'No thank you." Well then you'd have a situation like DA2 where what you did in the game didn't matter at all and I doubt Bioware would do that again.

Uh, no. That would not be the case of DA2, that would be a case where a fan-wished alternative the game never implied or promised you not existing in lieu of a disqualifying action on the part of the player.

If the Krogan can/will ally with you EXCEPT if you spare the Rachni, that is not an all-encompassing railroaded choice. That is simply... a choice.

[Dante Angelo]

I can see Wreav not helping but not Wrex

[PnXMarcin1PL]

To be honest if you defeated clan Weyrlock and Uvenk's clan, Urdnot clan becomes most dominant on Tuchanka. If Wrex is a leader Krogan will join no matter what.

[seirhart]

Dante Angelo wrote...

I can see Wreav not helping but not Wrex

if I understand you here; you think that wreav will not help you if you let the queen live but wrex will is that correct? 
I believe that wrex will side with my shepard even though I let the queen go in all of my 4 other play thrus.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

The Devs have stated that ME3 will have impact on the decisions that you've made in the two games alot more than Me2 did because ME2 was a bridging game like DA2 was. So what major choices are made in the game?

Council, Rachni, Rewrite Geth, Genophage, Collector base, Tali's trial (Possibly). Now if we have a game that is unchanged on all these factors no matter what your choice was than I'd say that is a DA2. Both games call themselves RPGs but if choice doesn't change anything than it never mattered. I'm not saying that the results should go the way I wan I"m just saying that the choices you made should affect how one side reacts. If you saved the Genophage data that shuld drastically change the way the Krogan react vs. if you destroyed it. To not have that is a poor decision.

That being said I'm sure that there will be significant outcomes in all the branches based on choice and in game actions

[SalsaDMA]

Krogans are valued on the danger of the enemies they fight. You cannot find a more dangerous enemy in the galaxy than the incomming reaper invasion.

If they somehow decline to fight the reapers, their social lore alone will scream "retcon" more than anything else will say 'plothole'.

[Dante Angelo]

seirhart wrote...

Dante Angelo wrote...

I can see Wreav not helping but not Wrex

if I understand you here; you think that wreav will not help you if you let the queen live but wrex will is that correct? 
I believe that wrex will side with my shepard even though I let the queen go in all of my 4 other play thrus.

Yes thats what I meant. I need to learn how to word my sentences better

[omgodzilla]

Dante Angelo wrote...

I can see Wreav not helping but not Wrex

I said that Wrex would help you no matter what but keep in mind that his clan isn't the only krogan clan.

[nevar00]

omgodzilla wrote...

Vanaer wrote...

A true paragon still has the genophage data as a leverage.

in that case, maybe it becomes harder for you to recruit the Salarians or the Turians?

Peronally, I think it would be utterly rediculous for most species to give you a hard time about cooperating when facing galactic extinction.

The Krogan are an exception as I could certainly see most of them be stubborn like that.  And no I wouldn't be "mad", it would be a legitamate consequence to a decision I made.

[omgodzilla]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Krogans are valued on the danger of the enemies they fight. You cannot find a more dangerous enemy in the galaxy than the incomming reaper invasion.

If they somehow decline to fight the reapers, their social lore alone will scream "retcon" more than anything else will say 'plothole'.

Technically they would still fight the Reapers since the Reapers will eventually invade their homeworld. When that happens, they will have to fight. The difference here is that they simply won't ally themselves with you or the Rachni.

[omgodzilla]

nevar00 wrote...

omgodzilla wrote...

Vanaer wrote...

A true paragon still has the genophage data as a leverage.

in that case, maybe it becomes harder for you to recruit the Salarians or the Turians?

Peronally, I think it would be utterly rediculous for most species to give you a hard time about cooperating when facing galactic extinction.

The Krogan are an exception as I could certainly see most of them be stubborn like that.  And no I wouldn't be "mad", it would be a legitamate consequence to a decision I made.

Well the whole point of ME3 is to gather allies and save humanity. The gameinformer article said that gaining the loyalty of all the other races will depend on more than just completing missions. Which means that your desicions in the past will have dire consequences. There has to be some kind of difficulty with getting all those species to help you out otherwise it doesn't seem like your choices in the past games actually mattered.