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[omgodzilla]

SalsaDMA wrote...

TridentWhisper wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

TridentWhisper wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Krogans are valued on the danger of the enemies they fight. You cannot find a more dangerous enemy in the galaxy than the incomming reaper invasion.

If they somehow decline to fight the reapers, their social lore alone will scream "retcon" more than anything else will say 'plothole'.

No, it would stay consistent with the lore. Krogan live for thousands of years, and they only need to go one or two generations back to remember the Rachni Wars. Would you suddenly agree to fight together with the same people that killed your family?

Not to mention last time the Krogan saved the galaxy they got rewarded with the Genophage. So it would be logical that they are reluctant to fight besides Rachni, Turians and Salarians. I'm not saying Wrex wouldn't agree to help, but there are a lot of Krogan besides Wrex.

You're not thinking like a krogan.

It's you who's not paying enough attention. If you listened to the Krogan dialogs through the games, especially on Tuchanka, you will understand that the Krogan aren't just a battle-hungry race who only cares about fighting strong enemies. Most of them hate how the other races have treated them and think that it was unjust.
This shows that Krogan can hold grudges that can last for millennia, ergo they will also probably refuse to ally themselves with the Rachni.

I'm curious what grudge you think they should hold against the Rachnii.

It might have something to do with how the Rachni took out a crap ton of Krogan all those years ago.

[Lucifer_Cheney]

AerisBru wrote...

Krogan refusing to fight in the biggest war EVER? I can't see it. Maybe LATER they would have problem with the rachni, but not before the battles against the Reapers.

This!

[Ultai]

Vanaer wrote...

A true paragon still has the genophage data as a leverage.

And what about Wrex?  Curing the genophage would screw up his plans for the krogan.  Also I'm sure the rest of the galaxy will be so delighted to know that both the rachni are back and the krogans are cured.  Nothing will backfire there.  All you gotta do is use that charm/intimidate I win button and everyone will just up and agree that Shepard has done the right thing.

[88mphSlayer]

wouldn't the genophage data dismantle everything Wrex is doing?

[aimlessgun]

thatguy212 wrote...

aimlessgun wrote...
And if Wrex wasn't around, like in my playthrough?


RE: Saving genophage data. I was more interested in using to blackmail the Turians/Salarians/Asari. Keeping the genophage data is renegade to the core. Just like saving the Rachni is easily seen as being ultrarenegade.

Very tempting for Krogan though, esp. Wreav I would imagine.

Well Okeer knew you destroyed saren's cure, and Wreav knew you killed Wrex, So someone is telling the krogan what you've done

The salarians were around for that. But I do suspect that Shepard just stupidly writes absolutely everything in her mission reports and all the information about what you've done is sent out regardless

[jbblue05]

Derp!!
We're not going to fight the Reapers and rather be smoothies because Wrex told us you spared a Rachni Queen

Modifié par jbblue05, 23 avril 2011 - 02:27 .

[DPSSOC]

aimlessgun wrote...

thatguy212 wrote...

aimlessgun wrote...
And if Wrex wasn't around, like in my playthrough?


RE: Saving genophage data. I was more interested in using to blackmail the Turians/Salarians/Asari. Keeping the genophage data is renegade to the core. Just like saving the Rachni is easily seen as being ultrarenegade.

Very tempting for Krogan though, esp. Wreav I would imagine.

Well Okeer knew you destroyed saren's cure, and Wreav knew you killed Wrex, So someone is telling the krogan what you've done

The salarians were around for that. But I do suspect that Shepard just stupidly writes absolutely everything in her mission reports and all the information about what you've done is sent out regardless

Really should've told Shepard to keep off the Twitter.

[Destroy Raiden_]

Wrex proves he can put aside huge differences in ME so him not aiding me in ME3 would be like me shooting myself in the foot to win a sprinting race. He's going to come weather he's gotten more people on board by the time ME3 rolls around is debatable but if I'm able to give only his clan the cure and Wrex decides whom is able to get it then that's fine. The reason Wrex decides is he has proven he won't go psycho like the last Krogan conquering planets that weren't theirs to begin with and creating war only those who fallow this path and seek to colonize uninhabited worlds will get the cure and be able to create a populous those who are still war mongers and have not gotten the point as to why the genophage had to be used will not receive the cure and will kill themselves off from their stupidity.

[Admoniter]

Not in the slightest in fact I would enjoy it quite a bit if some paragon choices horribly backfired on us every once and a while.

[omgodzilla]

jbblue05 wrote...

Derp!!
We're not going to fight the Reapers and rather be smoothies because Wrex told us you spared a Rachni Queen

I said that they wouldn't ally with you and be a part of your army. They can still fight the Reapers. The only difference is that they would be doing it on their own and get their asses kicked. It doesn't sound very rational but keep in mind that we are talking about a race that contains a large number of proud and stubborn warriors. Asking them to work with giant bugs that killed a metric ****load of their ancestors a few generations ago doesn't sound like it something that ALL of them would agree to.

[omgodzilla]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Wrex proves he can put aside huge differences in ME so him not aiding me in ME3 would be like me shooting myself in the foot to win a sprinting race. He's going to come weather he's gotten more people on board by the time ME3 rolls around is debatable but if I'm able to give only his clan the cure and Wrex decides whom is able to get it then that's fine. The reason Wrex decides is he has proven he won't go psycho like the last Krogan conquering planets that weren't theirs to begin with and creating war only those who fallow this path and seek to colonize uninhabited worlds will get the cure and be able to create a populous those who are still war mongers and have not gotten the point as to why the genophage had to be used will not receive the cure and will kill themselves off from their stupidity.

I dont mean to sound rude but this is the fourth time I have said this.

Wrex joins you no matter what. The only Krogans who won't ally with you are those from some of the other clans.

Modifié par omgodzilla, 23 avril 2011 - 03:11 .

[Nashiktal]

Pissed? Nah.

Frustrated to no end? Yes.

[Sajuro]

I think they would be more mad if you had the Salarians than the bug species the rocked in a war.

[Reapinger]

Rachni were the bomb and Krogan are just violent as hell so I would be upset to lose both of their allegiances.

[Almostfaceman]

omgodzilla wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

omgodzilla wrote...

jbadm04 wrote...

anything can happen, but why should the Krogan be pissed because of the Rachni? As I understand the Krogan, they dont care. Heck, the Rachni were good enemies, something the Krogan value. The Salarians invented the genophage, but the Krogan are mostly pissed at Turians.

Im prepared for anything in ME3, but I realy dont see why Krogans should turn on my Shep, because she saved the Rachni.

If you bring Wrex with you when you talk to the Rachni Queen, he says this:

"Millions of my ancestors died to put those things down. Don't let them come back!".

That implies that they actually do care. They care alot.

Wrex also said "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".

Reaper threat > Rachni

Which makes Wrex a hypocrite. If you bring Liara along with you during the conversation with the Queen, she says "She could be a possible ally!" or something like that but Wrex doesn't give a crap. He still wants the Queen dead.

Well, you're the one who brought up what he says as an example of Krogan's holding grudges. So are you saying that Krogan's can't think past their grudges and fight the greater threat?

I think if the rachni prove that they want to help fight, the reasoning "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" can very well kick in, if we're going to use Wrex as an example of how the Krogan think.

[Kingthlayer]

Would never happen. BioWare would never do anything to anger the paragons. For they might let a terrorist loose on BioWare HQ.

[AngelicMachinery]

Vanaer wrote...

A true paragon still has the genophage data as a leverage.

A true paragon wouldn't use that as leverage.  Your walking the lineof renegade there.

[omgodzilla]

Almostfaceman wrote...

omgodzilla wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

omgodzilla wrote...

jbadm04 wrote...

anything can happen, but why should the Krogan be pissed because of the Rachni? As I understand the Krogan, they dont care. Heck, the Rachni were good enemies, something the Krogan value. The Salarians invented the genophage, but the Krogan are mostly pissed at Turians.

Im prepared for anything in ME3, but I realy dont see why Krogans should turn on my Shep, because she saved the Rachni.

If you bring Wrex with you when you talk to the Rachni Queen, he says this:

"Millions of my ancestors died to put those things down. Don't let them come back!".

That implies that they actually do care. They care alot.

Wrex also said "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".

Reaper threat > Rachni

Which makes Wrex a hypocrite. If you bring Liara along with you during the conversation with the Queen, she says "She could be a possible ally!" or something like that but Wrex doesn't give a crap. He still wants the Queen dead.

Well, you're the one who brought up what he says as an example of Krogan's holding grudges. So are you saying that Krogan's can't think past their grudges and fight the greater threat?

I think if the rachni prove that they want to help fight, the reasoning "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" can very well kick in, if we're going to use Wrex as an example of how the Krogan think.

I can definitely see some of them acting that way. Wrex and his followers would probably be mature enough to work with the Rachni but not all Krogan are that openminded and rational. The reason I used Wrex as an example earlier was to show how it would be challenging to convince even an intelligent Krogan to cooperate with the Rachni. Obviously, he is smart enough to set aside his grudges now but as I said earlier, not all Krogan are like that. 

[Taritu]

never mind.

Modifié par Taritu, 23 avril 2011 - 05:25 .

[Ironsandshrew]

I'd be very pissed because I love the Krogans, but I also think there is no way they would give up the chance to be a part of the greatest fight in Mass Effect history.

[Nashiktal]

A true paragon is a model soldier.

So s/he would pass the data up higher on the chain of command to make the decision.

Whats that you say? you are as high up as you can get? Well **** we have a catch-22.

[magelet]

It seems pretty unlikely that if the krogan would not support Shepard if Wrex supported Shepard. I mean he is trying to unite the krogan clans together, so if he's in charge he can just be like "Kill stuff BECAUSE I SAID SO." And then they would. And it would be great.

[omgodzilla]

magelet wrote...

It seems pretty unlikely that if the krogan would not support Shepard if Wrex supported Shepard. I mean he is trying to unite the krogan clans together, so if he's in charge he can just be like "Kill stuff BECAUSE I SAID SO." And then they would. And it would be great.

When you ask Wrex how his attempts at uniting the Krogan are going, Wrex replies "Better than I expected. Worse than I hoped". Which means that he doesn't have complete control over the other clans. You also have people like Gavatog Uvenk who were pissed at Wrex for doing what he was doing. So not everyone is likely to listen to Wrex if he were to try and rally them all up and tell them to cooperate with the Rachni.

[magelet]

Well, sure it's not...IDEAL shall we say, but there's still the fact that it's going, "better than expected." And that's just after what, like two years?
There's still the possibility that he could unite them more effectively, especially when Uvenk is gone. And having a unifying cause like eminent destruction by giant robot dudes is always good. Basically, some krogan would still follow him. Just maybe not all of them.

I think that a bigger issue would be if Wrex died on Virmire. Then you'd be dealing with Wreav and he's just no good.

[omgodzilla]

Entreri10 wrote...

I'd be very pissed because I love the Krogans, but I also think there is no way they would give up the chance to be a part of the greatest fight in Mass Effect history.

Why are people assuming that by refusing to help you, they won't actually be fighting the Reapers? They wouldn't have a choice. Everyone is going to fight the Reapers because the Reapers will be going everywhere to rape everyone and everything. They simply won't be part of your army and will get their asses kicked. Remember, there is strength in numbers. The whole point of ME3 (atleast from what we've heard of it so far) is to unite all the species to take out the Reapers. Whether you win or not is dependant on whether you can unite all those races together. So even if you can't get the Krogan on your side, they would still technically be part of the fight. Its just that they won't last long because they have no one to help them because they were being stubborn jackasses.