my shepard doesn't need the krogan nor has any use for them, he has the rachni on his side.
So would you be pissed if most of the Krogans (EXCLUDING WREX) refuse to ally with you if you saved the Rachni?
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#102
Posté 23 avril 2011 - 04:02
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I'd take the Rachni over setting the Krogan loose on the galaxy again with the genophage cure. Any day. They can't be trusted.
#104
Posté 23 avril 2011 - 04:37
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Arcian wrote...
You seem to fail to remember that most if not all the krogan who fought in the Rachni Wars are dead. Whatever bad blood there was has likely vanished. I'd say there is more bad blood between the krogan and the turians than there is between the krogan and the rachni.omgodzilla wrote...
Obviously Bioware has to balance the pros and cons of being Paragon or Renegade. One cannot be more benificial than the other. So would you be pissed if most of the Krogan clans refuse to help you out in the fight against the Reapers IF you saved the Rachni? Wrex and Clan Urdnot would still fight for you but I don't see how you could convince the rest of them to cooperate with the Rachni. There is just too much bad blood between them. Even Wrex was against the idea of letting the Queen live and he is one of the most open minded Krogan out there. So Paragons would get the Rachni and Clan Urdnot in their army whereas Renegades would get all of the Krogan clans. Seems like a fair trade to me. What do you think?
Sure didn't seem that way with Wrex on Noveria. How do we know that there aren't a bunch of Krogan out there who would react exactly as Wrex did? Also, remember that Krogans live for over a thousand years. The rachni wars only took place a few generations ago. How do we know that all bad blood has dissapeared?
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Posté 23 avril 2011 - 06:01
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I knew this would crop up sooner or later. The phenomena is called "Gameplay and Story Segregation". Both partymember are scripted to say something in that scene, and the "kill the queen"-party member is always the one with the higher internal renegade value. The way the game handles it doesn't mean it accurately reflects that character's opinions.omgodzilla wrote...
Arcian wrote...
You seem to fail to remember that most if not all the krogan who fought in the Rachni Wars are dead. Whatever bad blood there was has likely vanished. I'd say there is more bad blood between the krogan and the turians than there is between the krogan and the rachni.omgodzilla wrote...
Obviously Bioware has to balance the pros and cons of being Paragon or Renegade. One cannot be more benificial than the other. So would you be pissed if most of the Krogan clans refuse to help you out in the fight against the Reapers IF you saved the Rachni? Wrex and Clan Urdnot would still fight for you but I don't see how you could convince the rest of them to cooperate with the Rachni. There is just too much bad blood between them. Even Wrex was against the idea of letting the Queen live and he is one of the most open minded Krogan out there. So Paragons would get the Rachni and Clan Urdnot in their army whereas Renegades would get all of the Krogan clans. Seems like a fair trade to me. What do you think?
Sure didn't seem that way with Wrex on Noveria. How do we know that there aren't a bunch of Krogan out there who would react exactly as Wrex did?
Plus, nothing in Wrex's dialogue indicates any true animosity, it's more like frustrated annoyance like, "Seriously, you're really going to undo all that hard work my ancestors went through?", followed by his comment if you release the queen that his people will wipe them out again should the need arise.
The Rachni Wars happened over 2000 years ago. There is not a single (known) krogan alive that fought in that war. Besides, why would the krogan hold a grudge against the rachni in the first place? They only fought them because they like fighting and because the salarians said, "Those guys are dangerous, please kill them for us," with the krogan going "Oh, alright, if you say so."omgodzilla wrote...
Also, remember that Krogans live for over a thousand years.
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Posté 23 avril 2011 - 06:10
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No, you gave an example with a consequence that YOU interpreted as negative because you're not concerned with human dominance and oppressing the aliens. A true renegade playing within the parameters of the game wouldn't think like you, they'd be trying to push the aliens off their piedestal and put the crown on their own heads - because that's how renegades are supposed to roll. You may call that a lack of true choice, but it's not - you choose to be a goody-two-shoes or a douchebag, the choice doesn't really matter because you win regardless but in different ways. If that doesn't fly with you, fine. It doesn't mean paragons should have negative consequences when renegades really have none when the chips are down.GodWood wrote...
Okay dude, cool beans.
Bioware can't interpret the reasoning behind my decisions.
I'm fully aware of this but it's honestly not relevent to my original point.
I said it's good to see that blue is having some negative consequences.
You said red has had none.
I gave an example of where they have.
Simple as that.
Yeah facepalming is such a strong argument, isn't it?GodWood wrote...
*facepalm*Arcian wrote...
You may interpret a choice one way, but going red is still going red. You side with the bad guys, and the bad guys win. There's a reason why killing the Council has humanity end up in control of the new Council one way or another. They don't call it evil, but that's about the only difference.
#107
Posté 23 avril 2011 - 06:26
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To me it seems like the krogans see the rachni like most aliens: If you get in my way I kill you. If you don't, well that's cool.
They are understandably extra hostile against the turians and salarians but that doesn't stop them from working with them if necesary.
They are understandably extra hostile against the turians and salarians but that doesn't stop them from working with them if necesary.
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Posté 23 avril 2011 - 06:28
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+1lovgreno wrote...
To me it seems like the krogans see the rachni like most aliens: If you get in my way I kill you. If you don't, well that's cool.
They are understandably extra hostile against the turians and salarians but that doesn't stop them from working with them if necesary.
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Posté 23 avril 2011 - 06:38
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lovgreno wrote...
To me it seems like the krogans see the rachni like most aliens: If you get in my way I kill you. If you don't, well that's cool.
They are understandably extra hostile against the turians and salarians but that doesn't stop them from working with them if necesary.
+1
#110
Posté 23 avril 2011 - 06:42
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No .. I was just glad that Wrex didn't shoot my Shepard when he did.
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Posté 23 avril 2011 - 07:09
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omgodzilla wrote...
Entreri10 wrote...
I'd be very pissed because I love the Krogans, but I also think there is no way they would give up the chance to be a part of the greatest fight in Mass Effect history.
Why are people assuming that by refusing to help you, they won't actually be fighting the Reapers? They wouldn't have a choice. Everyone is going to fight the Reapers because the Reapers will be going everywhere to rape everyone and everything. They simply won't be part of your army and will get their asses kicked. Remember, there is strength in numbers. The whole point of ME3 (atleast from what we've heard of it so far) is to unite all the species to take out the Reapers. Whether you win or not is dependant on whether you can unite all those races together. So even if you can't get the Krogan on your side, they would still technically be part of the fight. Its just that they won't last long because they have no one to help them because they were being stubborn jackasses.
Why are you (and everyone else for that matter) so quick to assume that the krogan, if you ally yourself with the rachni, won't actually be joining the Reapers instead? It's not like they have any important ties that bind them to the current galactic civilisation if you did, especially after being screwed like they were. Now, the Reapers can promise to cure the Genophage and ascend them...
#112
Posté 23 avril 2011 - 07:35
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Not if I can ally with the Vorcha instead.
Krogan for Vorcha? Seems like a fair trade.
