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[TEWR]

The Angry One wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Not if DA2 sales are any indicator to EA. They'll realize that by trying to pawn off an RPG as just a game with combat, there will be no profit. And EA isn't making the game. Bioware is. They could leave EA if they wanted to and either work freelance or find a new company to put money behind them that isn't like EA.

This assumes that EA think logically (has never been true) and that BioWare staff want to give up easy money.

so EA is pretty much this?



I can see that. But I'd bank more money on Bioware giving up easy money rather than becoming a bunch of sellouts.

[SirShreK]

AlexXIV wrote...

Roleplaying means to play a role, so I guess there is always RPG in the game.

So... Half-life, Just cause, GTA are all RPG games?

[AlexXIV]

SirShreK wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Roleplaying means to play a role, so I guess there is always RPG in the game.

So... Half-life, Just cause, GTA are all RPG games?

Well they are action games with RPG elements. That's the future. Because it's more fun.

[TEWR]

randName wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
I also fail to see how people bursting into piles of goo gives one an emotional reaction other than sheer laughter. In God of War that would make some sense, because Kratos is a demi-god. But in a game where you are playing as a man/woman who is about as average as the next person, it makes zero sense. Even then only certain mage talents could make an enemy explode while making sense.

This has no basis on reality - you can shove a stave through your chest, cast fire from your hands - enemies explode by your touch, what I see in DA2 are demi-gods.

From humble beginings true, but we all have to start from somewhere.


EDIT: Or the next time you see a civilian/human stick her fist through the chest of someone who is still alive and then continue to pull out their beating heart and then consume it, call me, it would be a great scoop.

Grace shoving a staff through her chest and living was ******-poor development work. If a mage gets killed by a sword throug the chest, than a mage should die from self-impalement. In a world where magic exists, magic is normal. It does not make anyone a demi-god. It is something they are born with in their DNA. It has nothing to do with gods. It is biological.

Also, who the hell shoved their fist through someone's chest and ate a still beating heart? Fenris doesn't. He just sticks his hand in their chest and kills them. He doesn't eat anyone's heart. Quit pulling **** out of your ass.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 24 avril 2011 - 08:54 .

[AlexXIV]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

randName wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
I also fail to see how people bursting into piles of goo gives one an emotional reaction other than sheer laughter. In God of War that would make some sense, because Kratos is a demi-god. But in a game where you are playing as a man/woman who is about as average as the next person, it makes zero sense. Even then only certain mage talents could make an enemy explode while making sense.

This has no basis on reality - you can shove a stave through your chest, cast fire from your hands - enemies explode by your touch, what I see in DA2 are demi-gods.

From humble beginings true, but we all have to start from somewhere.


EDIT: Or the next time you see a civilian/human stick her fist through the chest of someone who is still alive and then continue to pull out their beating heart and then consume it, call me, it would be a great scoop.

Grace shoving a staff through her chest and living was ******-poor development work. In a world where magic exists, magic is normal. It does not make anyone a demi-god. It is something they are born with in their DNA. It has nothing to do with gods. It is biological.

Also, who the hell shoved their fist through someone's chest and ate a still beating heart? Fenris doesn't. He just sticks his hand in their chest and kills them. He doesn't eat anyone's heart. Quit pulling **** out of your ass.

So after shoving his hand into his chest, through his ribcage, he couldn't pull his heart out and eat it?

[randName]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

randName wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
I also fail to see how people bursting into piles of goo gives one an emotional reaction other than sheer laughter. In God of War that would make some sense, because Kratos is a demi-god. But in a game where you are playing as a man/woman who is about as average as the next person, it makes zero sense. Even then only certain mage talents could make an enemy explode while making sense.

This has no basis on reality - you can shove a stave through your chest, cast fire from your hands - enemies explode by your touch, what I see in DA2 are demi-gods.

From humble beginings true, but we all have to start from somewhere.


EDIT: Or the next time you see a civilian/human stick her fist through the chest of someone who is still alive and then continue to pull out their beating heart and then consume it, call me, it would be a great scoop.

Grace shoving a staff through her chest and living was ******-poor development work. If a mage gets killed by a sword throug the chest, than a mage should die from self-impalement. In a world where magic exists, magic is normal. It does not make anyone a demi-god. It is something they are born with in their DNA. It has nothing to do with gods. It is biological.

Also, who the hell shoved their fist through someone's chest and ate a still beating heart? Fenris doesn't. He just sticks his hand in their chest and kills them. He doesn't eat anyone's heart. Quit pulling **** out of your ass.

You can as a Warrior Reaver take out the heart and consume it using Devour.

[smilie]http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110313023711/dragonage/images/thumb/8/8f/Hemorrhage.png/42px-Hemorrhage.png[/smilie] You can do the stave through the chest move with a mage using Hemorrage, as can Merrill. 



Sorry to break it to you.

Modifié par randName, 24 avril 2011 - 08:59 .

[sympathy4saren]

There needs to be way more enemies. And people who think we are joking or whatever need to stop being disrespectful. If da3 can be more like GOW, than it culd be da coolest game eva. I don't like the non-dialogue suggestion, but I do love the red eyes/ sharp spikes idea.

[TEWR]

AlexXIV wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

randName wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
I also fail to see how people bursting into piles of goo gives one an emotional reaction other than sheer laughter. In God of War that would make some sense, because Kratos is a demi-god. But in a game where you are playing as a man/woman who is about as average as the next person, it makes zero sense. Even then only certain mage talents could make an enemy explode while making sense.

This has no basis on reality - you can shove a stave through your chest, cast fire from your hands - enemies explode by your touch, what I see in DA2 are demi-gods.

From humble beginings true, but we all have to start from somewhere.


EDIT: Or the next time you see a civilian/human stick her fist through the chest of someone who is still alive and then continue to pull out their beating heart and then consume it, call me, it would be a great scoop.

Grace shoving a staff through her chest and living was ******-poor development work. In a world where magic exists, magic is normal. It does not make anyone a demi-god. It is something they are born with in their DNA. It has nothing to do with gods. It is biological.

Also, who the hell shoved their fist through someone's chest and ate a still beating heart? Fenris doesn't. He just sticks his hand in their chest and kills them. He doesn't eat anyone's heart. Quit pulling **** out of your ass.

So after shoving his hand into his chest, through his ribcage, he couldn't pull his heart out and eat it?

what evidence is there to suggest that Fenris has a taste for hearts? None. Does it seem like something he'd do? No. If  you two want Fenris to have an insatiable appetite for hearts, go write a fanfic about it.

Now, I'm starting to get more than a little irritated at this thread and the people in it. So before a mod comes and gives me a tempban I'm going to take a break.

You can as a Warrior Reaver take out the heart and consume it using Devour.

You can do the stave through the chest move with a mage using Hemorrage, as can Merrill. 



Sorry to break it to you.

But is Fenris a reaver? No he is not. Also, Devour says they absorb lingering essence of fallen enemies. No where does it say that means they eat a heart. Stop trying to make what you imagine to be the case actual fact.


And it's still ******-poor development because now you're combining gameplay into this. Gameplay doesn't mean anything in the DA universe.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 24 avril 2011 - 09:04 .

[xkg]

AlexXIV wrote...
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So after shoving his hand into his chest, through his ribcage, he couldn't pull his heart out and eat it?

That is actually very good idea for a nice finsher move. We have "hands tearing apart" finisher so reaping somoenes heart could be a nice addition to game's gore.

[AlexXIV]

randName wrote...
You can as a Warrior Reaver take out the heart and consume it using Devour.

You can do the stave through the chest move with a mage using Hemorrage, as can Merrill. 



Sorry to break it to you.

I am actually not sure about the staff through chest thing. I mean I am all for action and blood but that looked a bit silly. Especially if the stafff has a point and a dull end, they always impale themselves with the dull end. Who would do that?

[sleepyowlet]

xkg wrote...

Why do you think more blood/enemies/gore/flying parts more action, steam tanks, dinosaurs, dwarvencopters ,vampires etc... would kill RPG in DA3 - you still would be playing a character running around doing quests, splashing enemies - That is Role Playing. Still same old good Dragon Age but better this time.

Edit:  Slying only darkspawns/spiders/abominations while running around with 3 companions is getting old - time to make something new

*inhale* *exhale*

nope. not calm enough yet.

*rolls up a cigarette*

Right. No. That would not be role-playing. Role-playing is about interaction with a world and its inhabitants (and no, killing them doesn't count) it's about making decisions (and no, choosing a sword or a spell doesn't count either)  - and most importantly it's about climbing into your characters head and acting out their personality. Dialogue is an important part of that for me (I don't like playing violent, grunting characters) I like having the freedom of talking to people, of sneaking by or other non violent ways of solving a conflict - if it fits the character I'm playing. A character I make up. I do absolutely not like to be railroaded into killing tons of people.

The DA world has a certain lore, a certain setting. All this stuff you suggested would seriously break that lore - especially when it comes to combat. If there absolutely has to be fighting, I'd like it to look real. Magic is one thing, but the laws of physics still work, and they affect non magical combat. I'd like to see stuff that looks real. I can provide you with video-examples, if you like. I'm heartly sick of guys in heavy plate doing sommersaults or waving claymores around like toothpicks.

[randName]

xkg wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
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So after shoving his hand into his chest, through his ribcage, he couldn't pull his heart out and eat it?

That is actually very good idea for a nice finsher move. We have "hands tearing apart" finisher so reaping somoenes heart could be a nice addition to game's gore.

Devour already does this, well the enemy doesn't die from it - but observe that you hold a purple chunk of something that looks like a heart once you pull the move off - then you consume it and regain health.

So they already have that in DA2, not need to ask for it for DA3, just that they keep it.

[AlexXIV]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
what evidence is there to suggest that Fenris has a taste for hearts? None. Does it seem like something he'd do? No. If  you two want Fenris to have an insatiable appetite for hearts, go write a fanfic about it.

Now, I'm starting to get more than a little irritated at this thread and the people in it. So before a mod comes and gives me a tempban I'm going to take a break.

Why would you get a ban for discussing ideas? You don't have to like it.

And I am not saying that Fenris should do it. Just that something like this could be done. Also some people prefer fresh meat. I myself don't in real life, but it is a game, so ...

[randName]

AlexXIV wrote...

randName wrote...
You can as a Warrior Reaver take out the heart and consume it using Devour.

You can do the stave through the chest move with a mage using Hemorrage, as can Merrill. 



Sorry to break it to you.

I am actually not sure about the staff through chest thing. I mean I am all for action and blood but that looked a bit silly. Especially if the stafff has a point and a dull end, they always impale themselves with the dull end. Who would do that?

Demi-gods.
 

Personally I prefer more sanity than DA2 for DA3, say that the bloodmages either conjure the blood without punching blunt staves through their chests, or that at worst they cut themselves with the murder knife.

[Abispa]

Clowns. Killing clowns is fun. Hawke would've reached epic coolness covered in clown blood. Exploding clowns. Everywhere. Jumping down from the sky. Colors. So many options.

*sniffle*

[AlexXIV]

randName wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

randName wrote...
You can as a Warrior Reaver take out the heart and consume it using Devour.

You can do the stave through the chest move with a mage using Hemorrage, as can Merrill. 



Sorry to break it to you.

I am actually not sure about the staff through chest thing. I mean I am all for action and blood but that looked a bit silly. Especially if the stafff has a point and a dull end, they always impale themselves with the dull end. Who would do that?

Demi-gods.
 

Personally I prefer more sanity than DA2 for DA3, say that the bloodmages either conjure the blood without punching blunt staves through their chests, or that at worst they cut themselves with the murder knife.

Well demigods, but demigod doesn't mean stupid. Would you try to stab yourself with a baseball bat if you had a knife?

[xkg]

randName wrote...

xkg wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...
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So after shoving his hand into his chest, through his ribcage, he couldn't pull his heart out and eat it?

That is actually very good idea for a nice finsher move. We have "hands tearing apart" finisher so reaping somoenes heart could be a nice addition to game's gore.

Devour already does this, well the enemy doesn't die from it - but observe that you hold a purple chunk of something that looks like a heart once you pull the move off - then you consume it and regain health.

So they already have that in DA2, not need to ask for it for DA3, just that they keep it.

Ahh i see - i've done only Mage and Rogue playthroughs. Seems i missed great deal of fun.
Im going for it one more time then, as a reaver warrior this time.

Modifié par xkg, 24 avril 2011 - 09:06 .

[TEWR]

AlexXIV wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
what evidence is there to suggest that Fenris has a taste for hearts? None. Does it seem like something he'd do? No. If  you two want Fenris to have an insatiable appetite for hearts, go write a fanfic about it.

Now, I'm starting to get more than a little irritated at this thread and the people in it. So before a mod comes and gives me a tempban I'm going to take a break.

Why would you get a ban for discussing ideas? You don't have to like it.

And I am not saying that Fenris should do it. Just that something like this could be done. Also some people prefer fresh meat. I myself don't in real life, but it is a game, so ...

I might get a ban for getting really pissed off.

*inhale* *exhale*

nope. not calm enough yet.

*rolls up a cigarette*

Right. No. That would not be role-playing. Role-playing is about interaction with a world and its inhabitants (and no, killing them doesn't count) it's about making decisions (and no, choosing a sword or a spell doesn't count either)  - and most importantly it's about climbing into your characters head and acting out their personality. Dialogue is an important part of that for me (I don't like playing violent, grunting characters) I like having the freedom of talking to people, of sneaking by or other non violent ways of solving a conflict - if it fits the character I'm playing. A character I make up. I do absolutely not like to be railroaded into killing tons of people.

The DA world has a certain lore, a certain setting. All this stuff you suggested would seriously break that lore - especially when it comes to combat. If there absolutely has to be fighting, I'd like it to look real. Magic is one thing, but the laws of physics still work, and they affect non magical combat. I'd like to see stuff that looks real. I can provide you with video-examples, if you like. I'm heartly sick of guys in heavy plate doing sommersaults or waving claymores around like toothpicks.

thank you sleepowlett.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 24 avril 2011 - 09:08 .

[randName]

AlexXIV wrote...

Well demigods, but demigod doesn't mean stupid. Would you try to stab yourself with a baseball bat if you had a knife?

No, but stupid demi-gods might.

Anyway I really would prefer more sanity than DA2 for DA3, just focus on the good parts of DA2, add more realistic gore, better and more blood, and then more daemons and monsters to fight, as the humans feel weird since they take too much damage before they die, and besides while I like the corpse explosions it feels a bit strange when the humans explodes, better be that we can explain that by having daemons nest inside of them.

[AlexXIV]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...
what evidence is there to suggest that Fenris has a taste for hearts? None. Does it seem like something he'd do? No. If  you two want Fenris to have an insatiable appetite for hearts, go write a fanfic about it.

Now, I'm starting to get more than a little irritated at this thread and the people in it. So before a mod comes and gives me a tempban I'm going to take a break.

Why would you get a ban for discussing ideas? You don't have to like it.

And I am not saying that Fenris should do it. Just that something like this could be done. Also some people prefer fresh meat. I myself don't in real life, but it is a game, so ...

I might get a ban for getting really pissed off.

Well then maybe better to take a break. It's not worth getting pissed off about, trust me

[randName]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

I might get a ban for getting really pissed off.

Just chill, we aren't threatening your world, nor do I think that we are insulting you - but if you can't stand us do walk off, since I for one don't want you to get banned and forced to leave.

But I do welcome your points, and the discussion so do come back once you feel that you are level headed again.



& Note that I for one want more sanity to the blood and gore, not the sort of saucy everything exlodes over nothing, with people sticking staves through their chest combat - just that DA3 might benefit from focusing on what DA2 did well and consider to shelf many of the RPG elements if failed to deliver in DA2 and instead grasp the one thing it did rather well, even if it got too cartoony as it could never decide if you were a pauper or a god decended from heaven, or hell, as to lord as a prince of destruction over the lands.

Modifié par randName, 24 avril 2011 - 09:12 .

[AlexXIV]

randName wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Well demigods, but demigod doesn't mean stupid. Would you try to stab yourself with a baseball bat if you had a knife?

No, but stupid demi-gods might.

Anyway I really would prefer more sanity than DA2 for DA3, just focus on the good parts of DA2, add more realistic gore, better and more blood, and then more daemons and monsters to fight, as the humans feel weird since they take too much damage before they die, and besides while I like the corpse explosions it feels a bit strange when the humans explodes, better be that we can explain that by having daemons nest inside of them.

Well they have different difficulty levels already and in lower difficulty they die faster. But of course then the game gets too easy and that's not fun either. So maybe more enemies who die faster is a good point after all.

[randName]

AlexXIV wrote...

randName wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Well demigods, but demigod doesn't mean stupid. Would you try to stab yourself with a baseball bat if you had a knife?

No, but stupid demi-gods might.

Anyway I really would prefer more sanity than DA2 for DA3, just focus on the good parts of DA2, add more realistic gore, better and more blood, and then more daemons and monsters to fight, as the humans feel weird since they take too much damage before they die, and besides while I like the corpse explosions it feels a bit strange when the humans explodes, better be that we can explain that by having daemons nest inside of them.

Well they have different difficulty levels already and in lower difficulty they die faster. But of course then the game gets too easy and that's not fun either. So maybe more enemies who die faster is a good point after all.

Yes I think that as well, in general less health on many of the too biffed up humans and instead simply add more of them, and more daemons among them, given them glowing red eyes and spikes and tentacles.

[AlexXIV]

You know this may be off topic and I apologize but I wonder where all the trolls are. Not that I miss them or anything, just that I thought there would be more trolls. Anyway I hope Bioware considers all what was said here and makes DA3 even more awesome.

[SirShreK]

AlexXIV wrote...

You know this may be off topic and I apologize but I wonder where all the trolls are. Not that I miss them or anything, just that I thought there would be more trolls. Anyway I hope Bioware considers all what was said here and makes DA3 even more awesome.

I sincerely doubt by more awesome you mean DA2 + more awesome = Even more awesome.

I have played the Demo. Its must be a horrible game to combine combat from Die Nasty Warriors with a Story written by people with social agendas and focus groups in mind.