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I played Witcher 1 and I really liked it. I would like it better if I could have been a Female Witcher and had the romances with guys. I would not mind if BioWare would adopt the way the environments work in Witcher for their games.

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Terastar wrote...

I played Witcher 1 and I really liked it. I would like it better if I could have been a Female Witcher and had the romances with guys. I would not mind if BioWare would adopt the way the environments work in Witcher for their games.


But the game is based on books.

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Yep. I wouldn't mind it but sadly that's not the way it works. Sapkowski himself (I think) has stated that there have been no female witchers ever(maybe that's why he hated the TV series? lol).

You can't bend a canon like that for the sake of fanservice, which means no female Witch King Queen of Angmar in LOTR either. :D

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Ringo12 wrote...

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The Witch King of Angmar aye... Cool, yeah he was my favourite character dispite the fact that he said very little and his most awesome scene was cut out only to be found in the extended edition... he pwned gandalf good

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Both are medieval .. I want to shoot!

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Monica83 wrote...

the witcher 2 will destroy Da2 in all sides :D


I really do not understand why TW2 fans are so vehement that it be better than DA2. 

Okay. So you didn't like one game. That's good for you. Okay. You like another game instead. Good for you. 

Also.
It's a video game.
Sex is completely gratuitous for a video game.
And saying that it's based on a book or is based in a sexist time doesn't make it okay.

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Bryy_Miller wrote...

Monica83 wrote...

the witcher 2 will destroy Da2 in all sides :D


I really do not understand why TW2 fans are so vehement that it be better than DA2. 


I don't think you've got the causality right there; if anything, it's the reverse.

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Bryy_Miller wrote...

Monica83 wrote...

the witcher 2 will destroy Da2 in all sides :D


I really do not understand why TW2 fans are so vehement that it be better than DA2. 

Okay. So you didn't like one game. That's good for you. Okay. You like another game instead. Good for you. 

Also.
It's a video game.
Sex is completely gratuitous for a video game.
And saying that it's based on a book or is based in a sexist time doesn't make it okay.


Why does it always fall down to sex, sexcards and sexism?
Some Witcher haters dislikers seem to really like to beat this dead horse over and over again.

Yes, it was in the books, yes sexism is bad in real life, and no, CD Projekt is not going to be politically correct.

Also, no one here seems to be "okay with it" as you would like to put. It's just a part of the world and lore.
I doubt you will see anyone here cheering "wooo, sexism! take that inferior (wo)man!"

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Bryy_Miller wrote...

Monica83 wrote...

the witcher 2 will destroy Da2 in all sides :D


I really do not understand why TW2 fans are so vehement that it be better than DA2. 

Okay. So you didn't like one game. That's good for you. Okay. You like another game instead. Good for you. 

Also.
It's a video game.
Sex is completely gratuitous for a video game.
And saying that it's based on a book or is based in a sexist time doesn't make it okay.


Well did my homework on the Witcher 2 and it's rare that I get into the prediction business but the game looks better in virtually every field. From graphics to voice acting to story, a type of game I thoght Bioware would make more of, well, a game they would make eventually, as this one does some damn impressive things. It's a four year labour of love type development vs a 18 month cash grab. Really DA2 is not even in the races, Skyrim , LA Noir and likely Deus Ex will beat the pants of it as well.

As far as sex in a cinematic game, well, you have nudity in a rated R film right? They dont wear pajamas or those thick DA undies on. And yes it does make it ok when it's based on a book, especially when the book is rooted in medieval attitudes and history. For me the last thing I want to play is something that has been made watered down and politically corrected to death at the expense of grit and realties of the old world it's set in. Seriously though you had no problem with DA2's gallons of squirting blood splashing everywhere? But a breast is gonna kill ya?

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Avalla'ch wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Monica83 wrote...

the witcher 2 will destroy Da2 in all sides :D


I really do not understand why TW2 fans are so vehement that it be better than DA2. 

Okay. So you didn't like one game. That's good for you. Okay. You like another game instead. Good for you. 

Also.
It's a video game.
Sex is completely gratuitous for a video game.
And saying that it's based on a book or is based in a sexist time doesn't make it okay.


Why does it always fall down to sex, sexcards and sexism?
Some Witcher haters dislikers seem to really like to beat this dead horse over and over again.

Yes, it was in the books, yes sexism is bad in real life, and no, CD Projekt is not going to be politically correct.

Also, no one here seems to be "okay with it" as you would like to put. It's just a part of the world and lore.
I doubt you will see anyone here cheering "wooo, sexism! take that inferior (wo)man!"


I remember the first major choice in the Witcher was to either save the witch Abigail or let the town folk have her. I was debating the whole lesser of the two evils thing and then the priest started going on about how evil comes from women. Now personally having a healthy attitude towards women and not being affraid of their breasts my dillema was solved quickly, the town had to burn. So is there Sexism? yes, do you have to be sexist? not in the slightest. In fact I took great pleasure taking out any such types, looking forward to more in the sequel.

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Avalla'ch wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

Monica83 wrote...

the witcher 2 will destroy Da2 in all sides :D


I really do not understand why TW2 fans are so vehement that it be better than DA2. 

Okay. So you didn't like one game. That's good for you. Okay. You like another game instead. Good for you. 

Also.
It's a video game.
Sex is completely gratuitous for a video game.
And saying that it's based on a book or is based in a sexist time doesn't make it okay.


Why does it always fall down to sex, sexcards and sexism?
Some Witcher haters dislikers seem to really like to beat this dead horse over and over again.

Yes, it was in the books, yes sexism is bad in real life, and no, CD Projekt is not going to be politically correct.

Also, no one here seems to be "okay with it" as you would like to put. It's just a part of the world and lore.
I doubt you will see anyone here cheering "wooo, sexism! take that inferior (wo)man!"


Ehhh I love this opinion :
Breasts=sexism...

Please show some maturity. Game have M rate from ESRB, and all possible warnings.

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The first Witcher bored me to death when I played it, and my pc got too old to run the new one. Still I do hope it turns to be a great game to make the genre stronger.

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Witcher 1 seemed like a great game... Err... just haven't gotten... around to play it that much. :D

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The Witcher 1 wasn't really my style of game. That said, there were a lot of things about it that I liked. The atmosphere, areas, and some of the plots were really great. Unfortunately I feel it fell a bit flat in many other areas like combat, dialogue, itemization, and characterization. I really hope they improve in the Witcher 2, because I saw a lot of potential in their first game. I don't particularly feel like commenting on how it stands up to DA2 right now because I'm a bit mad at Bioware, and I'd have a clear bias.

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Bryy_Miller wrote...

Monica83 wrote...

the witcher 2 will destroy Da2 in all sides :D


I really do not understand why TW2 fans are so vehement that it be better than DA2. 

Okay. So you didn't like one game. That's good for you. Okay. You like another game instead. Good for you. 

Also.
It's a video game.
Sex is completely gratuitous for a video game.
And saying that it's based on a book or is based in a sexist time doesn't make it okay.


Why is it not ok to depict a time in a realistic way? Are you not comforable with your own sexuality? It's a video game so it can be serious? When movies where first coming around did it not have similar problems as well?

It did but great directors were forced to push movies in to an art form and games can be art. First and foremost Witcher 2 is a game based on books. It lives up to the world created by the author and realistically shows how cruel the world is. If your too damn close minded to except that maybe it's not the game for you, maybe you need to go back to Fable III because clearly you can't handle a game when it tries to treat every in a mature way, Play Fable I think it's more to liking.

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I'm taking a wait and see approach to Witcher 2. If I hear it's good, I'll get it.

I don't understand how you can be a gamer or a fan of the RPG genre and want a game that hasn't even been released to fail. Play it and if it sucks it should fail and if it's good it should succeed. Or watch some videos of the gameplay and check out reviews and word of mouth before deciding on whether it's good or not.

DA2 was bad. I played it and it's a terrible game. If it succeeds then more terrible games like it will be released. So naturally I wanted it to fail, but only after playing it.

And to the people who enjoyed DA2: You can watch a bad movie and enjoy it, but that doesn't make it a good movie. I've watched some bad movies that I enjoyed, but I atleast recognize that they're bad. Same can be said of a video game.

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@Shirosaki17 some people when their favorite devs release game which isn't that good as it should be, thinks that other companies should too do games which should be worse than all of us wanted. It makes this people happy in some weird way.

Modifié par Damariel, 03 mai 2011 - 03:13 .


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DA2 wasn't terrible imo. It's just not the quality we expect from Bioware. we KNOW Bioware can do better. DA2 was rushed to popularize on the success of DA:O.

But yes I want rpgs to be successful there are not enough of them released yearly. Too many damn shooters in the market like always.

Witcher 2
Skyrim
Deus Ex
Mass Effect 3

Rpg's im looking forward to.

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Ringo12 wrote...
Are you not comforable with your own sexuality?


Are you serious?

When movies where first coming around did it not have similar problems as well?


The difference is that games are an interactive experience. Tons of people buy them for the sex. I have nothing against sex in games if it's not depicted. Because it really is simply a waste of space.

First and foremost Witcher 2 is a game based on books. It lives up to the world created by the author and realistically shows how cruel the world is.


And were sex cards a part of the book?

If your too damn close minded to except that maybe it's not the game for you, maybe you need to go back to Fable III because clearly you can't handle a game when it tries to treat every in a mature way, Play Fable I think it's more to liking.


I have no idea where you get off assuming any of this about me. Because obviously, if I say that sex in a video game is gratuitous, it must mean that I'm a prude.

Modifié par Bryy_Miller, 03 mai 2011 - 08:57 .


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Bryy_Miller wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...
Are you not comforable with your own sexuality?


Are you serious?

When movies where first coming around did it not have similar problems as well?


The difference is that games are an interactive experience. Tons of people buy them for the sex. I have nothing against sex in games if it's not depicted. Because it really is simply a waste of space.

First and foremost Witcher 2 is a game based on books. It lives up to the world created by the author and realistically shows how cruel the world is.


And were sex cards a part of the book?

If your too damn close minded to except that maybe it's not the game for you, maybe you need to go back to Fable III because clearly you can't handle a game when it tries to treat every in a mature way, Play Fable I think it's more to liking.


I have no idea where you get off assuming any of this about me. Because obviously, if I say that sex in a video game is gratuitous, it must mean that I'm a prude.


Seems the best thing for you to do is not play the game. Seriously whatever hang up you have over nudity it's of personal nature and to say it shouldnt be there because you dont like it, is pretty damn self indulgent. Like I said before, gallons of blood sqirting out of bodies is perfectly normal but show a breast and we need to cover our eyes and run in fear, you dont see this as a bit bizarre?

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orbit991 wrote...
Seems the best thing for you to do is not play the game.


I didn't come in here stating I was. All I did was respond to all the posts that implied they only loved TW2 because it wasn't another game.

Seriously whatever hang up you have over nudity it's of personal nature and to say it shouldnt be there because you dont like it, is pretty damn self indulgent.


Except that I've already said I have no problem with sex.

Like I said before, gallons of blood sqirting out of bodies is perfectly normal but show a breast and we need to cover our eyes and run in fear, you dont see this as a bit bizarre?


No, it's completely bizarre, but that's not the point at all. 

I mean, come on. Is it that hard to believe that some people may actually have a problem with gratuitous sex in video games, but be fine with sex in real life? Are you guys even reading what I have written?

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Bryy_Miller wrote...

I mean, come on. Is it that hard to believe that some people may actually have a problem with gratuitous sex in video games, but be fine with sex in real life? Are you guys even reading what I have written?


It's hard for me to believe. The only time I can think of sex being interactive are in God of War and GTA San Andreas and even that was a mod. It's just a cutscene for Witcher 2, Dragon Age, Mass Effect, a crap ton of other games.

I'd like to know game has sold well because it had sex in the game and interactive. You sound like Fox news to me. Next you'll be saying the scenes in Mass Effect 1 were porn and it let you take full control of Shepard and your partner.

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Bryy_Miller wrote...

orbit991 wrote...
Seems the best thing for you to do is not play the game.


I didn't come in here stating I was. All I did was respond to all the posts that implied they only loved TW2 because it wasn't another game.

Seriously whatever hang up you have over nudity it's of personal nature and to say it shouldnt be there because you dont like it, is pretty damn self indulgent.


Except that I've already said I have no problem with sex.

Like I said before, gallons of blood sqirting out of bodies is perfectly normal but show a breast and we need to cover our eyes and run in fear, you dont see this as a bit bizarre?


No, it's completely bizarre, but that's not the point at all. 

I mean, come on. Is it that hard to believe that some people may actually have a problem with gratuitous sex in video games, but be fine with sex in real life? Are you guys even reading what I have written?


Look fine in the end you have your view for whatever reason, we have our view. To me it just doesnt matter, I've seen boobs on network tv as a kid while living in Europe for a few years and I dont get very worked up about them, it's no big taboo to me be it in the sheets on tv, movies or a game, it just doesnt give me a "it's wrong" reaction. I still think it's weird cosidering these are 50-80 hour games to have a problem with less then a minute or two of nudity, but whatever.

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Why is it that every Witcher video I see focuses entirely on its action-oriented combat and really not much else?

The videos where you actually do see some dialogue, it lasts for one minute out of the twenty-five minute combat demonstration and then the presenter is always like "now, up here we're about to talk into a really cool area with some cool combat, but let me talk about a UI screen or seven first."

Then they apparently turn into John Madden and try to play up mundane and obvious things. "As you can see, when you hit his shield, you don't do very much damage." Cool?

When he started talking about game mechanics like time passing affecting potions...it honestly sounded like a marketing meeting that is held in a movie theater to make things seem not us boring. "Clearly we need to increase the boob to non-boob time ratio in the fourth quarter if we're going to meet these quotas." Maybe it's just a language barrier issue, but everything about The Witcher just sounds so...perfunctory. "Nice. Nice use of the mechanics." - "Indubitably." /golfclap

I enjoy action games (I'm looking forward to Dragon's Dogma, for instance) so I'll probably give TW2 a shot, but games where I don't get to define a character (but instead play a pre-defined character, like Aragorn in the game adaptations of the movies) just never resonate for me as much as games that do.

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