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[ms_sunlight]

Damariel wrote...

you don't know that male gamers should play male characters and female gamers should play female characters?! ...wow.

But seriously only female's have some problems with play as a male... strange.

I'm a female gamer, and I have no problem playing a male character.  I can name loads of games I loved where I played the default male character.  Some of them I'm incredibly fond of - Guybrush Threepwood, Manny Calavera, The Nameless One, Chicken Chaser, Jack, Vyse, Riou.

Even so, I can tell you that if a game lets me choose, I will always choose to play a female character on my first playthrough, and very rarely play a male character on subsequent playthroughs.  If I create a character, rather than playing a pre-scripted role, my impulse is always to give it the same parts that I have.  What's so odd about that?

[Chromie]

If a game let's me choose I usually toss a coin for which ever gender I'll try first and rotate on subsequent playthroughs. I really don't see why some people think it's weird.

And Triss is a strong woman...and hot. What's not to like?! I love me red haired women.

[WardenGriff]

Sannom wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

(1) So whats your point?

(2) Were women not treated less then men during the Middle Ages.

(1) I think the point was to not use simplistic tactics to attract the male gamer, like the sex cards. Also, not using those same sex cards as a proof of the game's maturity (the gamers are more guilty of this than Cd Projekt Red though). The Witcher is mature in a lot of respects, but the sex cards diminish this maturity in my opinion.

(2) Yes, they were. It doesn't mean that the author decided to introduce those elements because he wanted realism. And it also doesn't mean that the makers of the game should try to titillate their male audience with the sex cards and a mini-game which consists of collecting women.

OK, I can't wade through the entire thread so if this was already posted forgive me. Romantic trysts are completely optional in TW1. I'm playing it right now. You can with one exception, avoid "bumping uglies" with all women in the game.

So lets leave the sex card mini game alone and focus on the underlying books based on a well selling Polish author. The story is complelling and the combat is decent. I believe they have improved the combat in TW2 but, have no first hand knowledge of it.

All I can tell you is that my disappointment in DA2 brought me to these forums and in reading, I learned about TW and bought it. It's filling the void for me, more of an old-school cRPG than I have played in a while.

Just my $.02, I'll go back to lurking and reading.

Modifié par WardenGriff, 06 mai 2011 - 03:02 .

[WardenGriff]

Nashiktal wrote...

Well I worked up the gumption and attempted to play The Witcher again. I finally made it pass the swamp (which has been my main block for playing the game, that swamp is terrible) and opened up into the new part of the city...

I'm still having trouble playing though. I'm starting to think the witcher isn't for me. I can't quite put my finger on why, but there is just something about this game that is putting me off from playing it. It might be the jilted combat, it might be the *off* dialogue, or maybe something else.

Would the witcher 2 require playing Witcher to enjoy it? From what I hear many of the problems of the Witcher is being "fixed" in the sequel.

You will not need to have played TW1 to enjoy TW2 although, it will add to the canon of lore you gain in playing TW2. Can't wait, Release date in quickly approaching!!!

[Chromie]

WardenGriff wrote...

All I can tell you is that my disappointment in DA2 brought me to these forums and in reading, I learned about TW and bought it. It's filling the void for me, more of an old-school cRPG than I have played in a while.

Just my $.02, I'll go back to lurking and reading.

Good for you!

Take a look at my post should be at the top of the page clicky You should see how the combat and other aspects of the game have been improved.

[Addai]

Maverick827 wrote...

Addai67 wrote...

Well... do you?

I don't know, I've never played or read about him. That's the point, though, it feels like a gamble with the paradigm CDP has set up. I can get into a pure "third person" game, such as Devil May Cry or Assassin's Creed, and can obviously get into a more "first person" game, like Mass Effect or Dragon Age, but a hybrid of the two? I couldn't know without playing it, but to play it I have to buy it, but to buy it I have to know if I'll enjoy it...

You can get TW1 pretty cheap these days.  What you get for your money, that's some good value there.

Modifié par Addai67, 06 mai 2011 - 04:06 .

[Addai]

Romantiq wrote...

We'll see his ass full of scars and monster bites

That's what I'm talkin about!

[ErichHartmann]

gastovski wrote...

Triss Calendar awesome!!

Sigh, I'd rather have Shani.   

[gastovski]

ErichHartmann wrote...

gastovski wrote...

Triss Calendar awesome!!

Sigh, I'd rather have Shani.   

no, you can't

[Chromie]

Someone should cosplay as Shani then =D

[Dreadstruck]

ErichHartmann wrote...

gastovski wrote...

Triss Calendar awesome!!

Sigh, I'd rather have Shani.   

Well you can close your left eye and pretend it's her. I mean.. redheads, right?

[Bryy_Miller]

WardenGriff wrote...
So lets leave the sex card mini game alone and focus on the underlying books based on a well selling Polish author. 

I don't think you can, really. I mean, they're a part of the game, optional or no. And the sex is right there, a huge part of the plot. Geralt's... well, a Witcher's libido. So I think it's a lot easier to say "if you don't want to be gay, don't romance Alistair". 

The sexuality of the game is forefront.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

WardenGriff wrote...
So lets leave the sex card mini game alone and focus on the underlying books based on a well selling Polish author. 

I don't think you can, really. I mean, they're a part of the game, optional or no. And the sex is right there, a huge part of the plot. Geralt's... well, a Witcher's libido. So I think it's a lot easier to say "if you don't want to be gay, don't romance Alistair". 

The sexuality of the game is forefront.

So is ******/bisexual romance. The focal point being on optional.

How is that any different?

[Bryy_Miller]

mrcrusty wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

WardenGriff wrote...
So lets leave the sex card mini game alone and focus on the underlying books based on a well selling Polish author. 

I don't think you can, really. I mean, they're a part of the game, optional or no. And the sex is right there, a huge part of the plot. Geralt's... well, a Witcher's libido. So I think it's a lot easier to say "if you don't want to be gay, don't romance Alistair". 

The sexuality of the game is forefront.

So is ******/bisexual romance. The focal point being on optional.

How is that any different?

I just said how they were different.

The whole sex angle is a major part of the game. It would be the same exact thing if DA2 or any RPG had romance/sexuality as one of the main story features.

Plus, you have the lesser concept of them just existing. I mean, Sex Cards. A sex mini-game. Come on. If this were pre-Hot Coffee, this would be a big deal.

Yes, they are optional. But they're also.... sex as a mini-game.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

But the sex isn't a main story feature. The entire premise of them being optional makes them non essential.

If anything, Bioware's romances are much more important to the core game than the sex cards are to the Witcher.

Take out sex cards? Basically same game.

Take out romances? Very different game.

Do I think they (sex cards) were tasteful? No, I can't imagine anyone would think that they were tasteful or anything more than fanservice.
Am I happy that they are gone in Witcher 2? Yes.

Very much so, I never liked the concept of them in the first place. But let's not pretend that the entire game consists of Geralt collecting cards and women as if they were pokemon.

Ignoring the Witcher because of sex cards is just as silly to me as ignoring Dragon Age 2 because of gay Anders. Witcher is a very good game, just ignore the sex cards.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 06 mai 2011 - 09:27 .

[Bryy_Miller]

So you don't think intensity can overshadow primacy? In this case, primacy being the core game's plot, and intensity being the sex cards?

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

If it's an entirely optional component of the game that can be avoided and is not important, I don't see the issue.

If it's too big of an issue for you to ignore, that's fine. That's the way you feel and I won't change that, but the way I feel is that in the greater context of this game, the sex card issue is not a central issue. I don't even like them, but again, when considered in the context of the game and it's universe, they play a minor role that's entirely optional and can be ignored altogether.

There are other games with much more controversial themes than the Witcher. Games have those, controversial elements. Sometimes they are less than tasteful. But when considered in the context of the game as a whole, they don't always play an integral part of the experience.

Such is the case for sex cards in my opinion.

For others, homosexuality is a controversial issue that is presented less than tastefully. I'm fine with them, personally. But in the same regard that homosexuality is not essential to the main plot of any Bioware games, neither are the sex cards essential to the main plot of the Witcher.

Which is what you were originally arguing - that sex cards couldn't be ignored because they were central to the plot.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 06 mai 2011 - 09:56 .

[HoonDing]

The question is, will the relationship with Triss be avoidable in TW2?

[naughty99]

I chose Triss over Shani in TW1 because Triss was slightly more entertaining when she yelled at me for staying out drinking all night

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

virumor wrote...

The question is, will the relationship with Triss be avoidable in TW2?

Why would you want it to be?



Or did you pick Shani?

But as long as there's no sex cards, I think most people will be fine with it. In a game rife with racism, filthy language and overall grimdark nature, I find it odd that sex cards made such a big splash. As if Geralt being a cruel, swearing, racist bastard who spreads his progeny via dozens of different women is totally okay, but once there's a card attached, it's so totally wrong and offensive. I mean, I don't think the cards are appropriate, but I fail to see how they are something that would ruin the game.

But that's me. I also got confused at why people took offence to things like the homosexual relationships, or the Liana sex scene, and those sorts of things. I mean, all of it is optional.

Modifié par mrcrusty, 06 mai 2011 - 10:15 .

[WardenGriff]

mrcrusty wrote...

virumor wrote...

I find it odd that sex cards made such a big splash. As if Geralt being a cruel, swearing, racist bastard who spreads his progeny via dozens of different women is totally okay, but once there's a card attached, it's so totally wrong and offensive. I mean, I don't think the cards are appropriate, but I fail to see how they are something that would ruin the game.

Geralt, being a witcher is sterile due to his mutation so,  no offspring.

And as far as Triss v Shani, I would have avoided those intimate encounters because I would have preferred my character to remain alone.  Although red heads ROCK!

[blothulfur]

Personally I see Geralts biggest problem with sex is that he'll never leave the bloody tent while Triss is flouncing around in the all together, be right with you Foltest i'm busy er practicising my swordplay...bang..bang...bang...now that's just sick...oh all right then but just this once...oh sweet mystery of life at last i've found you.

[Valcutio]

The Witcher 2 will remove all the bitter taste DA2 left in my mouth, Geralt > Hawke.

[Addai]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

So you don't think intensity can overshadow primacy? In this case, primacy being the core game's plot, and intensity being the sex cards?

Maybe you have to be a man to consider them "intense."  For one thing, I don't consider it a minigame.  I found it a silly little sidelight, would joke with my husband that I had bedded another wench, but they are hardly central to the game.  It's more of a character color thing, and can also be there for roleplay.  People on the street in Vizima will joke about hiding your women from Witchers, so it's kind of a game gag that women are throwing themselves at him.  On a couple occasions I thought about whether Geralt really was such a skank, and decided no- like the elven woman who'll sleep with him for bread.  So that was a roleplay decision.  The presentation was awkward, but Geralt sleeping around is part of the roleplay experience and if you want a basically celibate Geralt, you can by all means play that way.

Modifié par Addai67, 06 mai 2011 - 04:33 .

[slimgrin]

virumor wrote...

The question is, will the relationship with Triss be avoidable in TW2?

I see some very good potential with this dynamic. Because of the way they set up her character in TW1, there's the opportunity for Triss to be a devoted lover, faithfull freind, two-timing strumpet, or an outright traitor.

Maybe they'll even kill her off in some scenarios. It wouldn't surprise me. The Witcher is all about punching you in the gut when you least expect it.

Modifié par slimgrin, 06 mai 2011 - 04:49 .