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[Dreadstruck]

So... is Filippa still lesbian?

[Mihura]

Seagloom wrote...

As a fan of tough women in realistic armor, I have to say Saskia's design is disappointing. It looks neither protective nor interestingly designed. I like that she wears plate over her belly, but why not cover her chest too? It looks like she is wearing an incomplete suit of armor as is.

Granted, this is far from the worst armor design I have seen in a game. It is merely nothing to write home about unless comparing it to Aribeth's platemail or something out of "Sacred" or "Rift". Were I to grade it in terms of realistic and non-sexualized representation I would probably give it a C+ or a B at most.

It will be interesting to see how women in "the Witcher 2" are portrayed. I know it takes place in a crapsack world, and expect a heaping helping of sexism and worse, but that article Brock linked to was just... blergh. There was not one description there that failed to mention how each woman is sexy is some fashion. They try to bury it by saying X and X is capable, powerful, or whatever, but it sends a very mixed message. Unfortunately I will have to hope someone whose opinions I trust buys the game and gives that aspect a thorough review, since I will not have the opportunity.

Cannot agree more maybe there are great character with really meh design but that preview really did not help at all.

Avalla'ch wrote...

So... is Filippa still lesbian?

I am really afraid of this, I really really hope she stays that way and do not go to the past because of Geralt.

Modifié par Mihura, 07 mai 2011 - 12:16 .

[Chromie]

Joshd21 wrote...

I caved and bought the Witcher 2 today, hopefulley it will prvoide some hours of entertainment. I need something to do now that Rift is done and while I wait for SWTOR, which seems not to be released for another six months..

So I'm willing to try this game and hopefulley it kicks ass, or I'm going wish I bought the sims2.

Sims 3 was on sale this week =O

[Carfax]

Seagloom wrote...

As a fan of tough women in realistic armor, I have to say Saskia's design is disappointing. It looks neither protective nor interestingly designed. I like that she wears plate over her belly, but why not cover her chest too? It looks like she is wearing an incomplete suit of armor as is.

Granted, this is far from the worst armor design I have seen in a game. It is merely nothing to write home about unless comparing it to Aribeth's platemail or something out of "Sacred" or "Rift". Were I to grade it in terms of realistic and non-sexualized representation I would probably give it a C+ or a B at most.

It will be interesting to see how women in "the Witcher 2" are portrayed. I know it takes place in a crapsack world, and expect a heaping helping of sexism and worse, but that article Brock linked to was just... blergh. There was not one description there that failed to mention how each woman is sexy is some fashion. They try to bury it by saying X and X is capable, powerful, or whatever, but it sends a very mixed message. Unfortunately I will have to hope someone whose opinions I trust buys the game and gives that aspect a thorough review, since I will not have the opportunity.

Really, why do you even post in these threads?  It's obvious from the tone of your posts that you don't like the Witcher series (probably because you're an overt feminist), yet you constantly feel the need to criticize the game because it doesn't live up to your lofty standards of gender equality

[Seagloom]

I criticize plenty of games for that. If you were around the DA2 forums in the months leading up to its release you would have noticed the occasional similarly themed post there. As to why I post? Because I feel like it. I do not need permission or an excuse other than wishing to express my opinion. If you dislike what I write so much, ignore it. I sure as hell will not stop because of anything *you* write, that is certain.

[Zjarcal]

Carfax wrote...
Really, why do you even post in these threads?  It's obvious from the tone of your posts that you don't like the Witcher series (probably because you're an overt feminist), yet you constantly feel the need to criticize the game because it doesn't live up to your lofty standards of gender equality

Given how many people voice their complaints about DA2 on the DA2 forums, I see nothing wrong with someone voicing a complaint about the Witcher 2 in a Witcher 2 thread. And it's not like she's posting that over and over on every page.

And "lofty standards of gender equality"? Please.

[jlb524]

Carfax wrote...
Really, why do you even post in these threads?  It's obvious from the tone of your posts that you don't like the Witcher series (probably because you're an overt feminist), yet you constantly feel the need to criticize the game because it doesn't live up to your lofty standards of gender equality

That's a legit reason to criticize a game....

[mousestalker]

What's great about the Witcher is how it sublimates the hero's essentially homosexual proclivities into rampant Don Juanism. Anything that gets teenage boys more comfortable with their actual, rather than societally imposed, sexual feeling is a-ok in my book.

Modifié par mousestalker, 07 mai 2011 - 01:47 .

[Maria Caliban]

There was no sexual equality in the medieval world. However, the vast majority of women were busty, clear-skinned playboy bunnies who'd have sex with you in exchange for giving them flowers. Don't let anyone tell you that's an element added to the story just to caterer to the fantasies of a specific demographic.

Because if that were true, then you could legitimately ask why the Witcher can bend reality over a barrel to satisfy the presumed desires of straight, male gamers, but gender inequality is simply not allowed because it's not historically accurate.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 07 mai 2011 - 01:48 .

[Carfax]

Zjarcal wrote...
Given how many people voice their complaints about DA2 on the DA2 forums, I see nothing wrong with someone voicing a complaint about the Witcher 2 in a Witcher 2 thread. And it's not like she's posting that over and over on every page.

And "lofty standards of gender equality"? Please.

The point is, Seagloom seems to be philosophically opposed to games like the Witcher/Witcher 2.  In fact, I recall she mentioned that she has a copy of the game given to her by a friend, yet she hasn't even opened the package.

Her primary reason for disliking the game seems to stem from the fact that the Witcher locks you into playing a male character, as well as the game's "perceived" sexism.......and the Witcher 2 hasn't changed in that regard.

Thus said, I wonder why she constantly criticizes a game that she's likely never going to play anyway.

[Chromie]

stupid forumcode...

Modifié par Ringo12, 07 mai 2011 - 01:59 .

[Carfax]

Maria Caliban wrote...

There was no sexual equality in the medieval world. However, the vast majority of women were busty, clear-skinned playboy bunnies who'd have sex with you in exchange for giving them flowers. Don't let anyone tell you that's an element added to the story just to caterer to the fantasies of a specific demographic.

Because if that were true, then you could legitimately ask why the Witcher can bend reality over a barrel to satisfy the presumed desires of straight, male gamers, but gender inequality is simply not allowed because it's not historically accurate.

Pure fail.  The Witcher is a FANTASY WORLD with abundant Medieval influences.  It's not a direct copy of any particular historical era.

I didn't see you complaining that DA2 "bends reality" to satisfy female gamers by having female warriors covered in plate armor and swinging swords bigger than they are.

With that said, the Witcher World was created by a man, and the games were created by men as well.  Also, the primary audience for the Witcher are men.

And since most men prefer attractive women to unattractive ones, I don't see why it's such a bad idea to have the primary female NPCs be attractive.

[Maria Caliban]

Ringo12 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote... sex with you in exchange for giving them flowers. Don't let anyone tell you that's an 

Do not remember that in game then again I didn't bother going for the sex cards really. =O

I went for all of them but couldn't finish the game because of my loading times kept getting longer... and longer... and longer...

Yes, there was a girl outside of the first city you could have sex with if you gave her flowers.

Carfax wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

There was no sexual equality in the medieval world. However, the vast majority of women were busty, clear-skinned playboy bunnies who'd have sex with you in exchange for giving them flowers. Don't let anyone tell you that's an element added to the story just to caterer to the fantasies of a specific demographic.

Because if that were true, then you could legitimately ask why the Witcher can bend reality over a barrel to satisfy the presumed desires of straight, male gamers, but gender inequality is simply not allowed because it's not historically accurate.

Pure fail.  The Witcher is a FANTASY WORLD with abundant Medieval influences.  It's not a direct copy of any particular historical era.

Then there should be no problem with having gender equality. Glad you agree with me!

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 07 mai 2011 - 01:59 .

[Chromie]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote... sex with you in exchange for giving them flowers. Don't let anyone tell you that's an 

Do not remember that in game then again I didn't bother going for the sex cards really. =O

I went for all of them but couldn't finish the game because of my loading times kept getting longer... and longer... and longer...

Yes, there was a girl outside of the first city you could have sex with if you gave her flowers.
 

huh..did not know that.

[slimgrin]

I got rejected several times while playing The Witcher. And my prowess was mocked by a naiad. That hurt.

[Seagloom]

'Tis true, I never opened the package because games locking me into a male protagonist role rarely interest me nowadays. I have enjoyed a number of games with male protagonists in the past, such as "Planescape: Torment", and I am currently plodding through "Alpha Protocol." "The Witcher" is low on my backlog partly for its male protagonist, partly because I have a pile of fantasy titles I rather play before it, and partly due to the game's premise never piquing my interest.

I never said I disliked the game--only that I am not keen on playing it. Any criticisms I make are based on information I can glean from screenshots or read online. I also once challenged the idea that TW2 and DA2 are truly comparable in a random thread floating around "Off Topic". Gameplay wise, I think the only criticism I made was that TW2 did not seem as tactical as some are claiming, and that "Skyrim" would likely blow its tactical aspect out of the water anyway.

I am not philosophically opposed to the Witcher as a game. Heck, I like several of REH's stories, and own a bunch of Mongoose's Conan tabletop books. Grittiness is not a barrier to my enjoying something as long as I feel it makes *some* sense, and is not included to appeal to the lowest common denominator. What I *am* philosophically opposed to is the pretense that CD Projekt RED has no gender bias in its portrayal of women. Just because the Witcher takes place in a medieval dystopia does not mean those design choices, and the words their writer chose to describe the game's female characters, are above reproach.

Even Triss, who started off okay prior to the marketing blitz, has a meta note describing how she is cool about her "Playboy" spread. If the idea is to show other women they have no chance at capturing Geralt's affections, then why is she posing for a *men's* magazine?

In short (too late!) I see no reason to hold back critcism, and I hardly see my criticisms as unfairly prejudicial or unwarranted.

Modifié par Seagloom, 07 mai 2011 - 02:25 .

[darkshadow136]

Rhipz wrote...

 Same company that gave Dragon age 2 an 8/10

http://www.plughead....sions-witcher-2

Yep The Witcher 2 is going to be the game to beat. CD project like what they said in the article posponed releasing the game till they got it right, all the way to redoing the entire game engine, knowing that such a decision would cost them money, but in the end they knew they would be puting out a product that they could be proud of and impress the hell out of their fans of the game franchise. Only if Bioware did not push out DA2 before it's time, maybe we all would be talking about DA2 in a positive epic sense instead of all the negativity about it.

It just goes to show when you have a large major company like EA runnig your release dates and telling you what to do you lose in the end. To be a well crafted epic RPG it has to be slowing crafted and done right, not quickly slabbed together, and advertised and over-hyped just to be in reality a dead horse.

[Dreadstruck]

slimgrin wrote...

I got rejected several times while playing The Witcher. And my prowess was mocked by a naiad. That hurt.

[Addai]

virumor wrote...

Higher vampires are quite different from the bloodthirsty kind that lurks around in crypts, Geralt even had a vampire friend in his previous life.

"Have sex with me or I'll kill you" is sort of bloodthirsty.  I'm just sayin.

[Addai]

Carfax wrote...

Witcher 2 enviroments video

Amazing is all I have to say.  This game looks to be the most immersive fantasy World ever conceived in a video game!

OMG

Skyrim just got bumped.

Edit:  The "women of Witcher 2" article is much less impressive.  I'll stick to ogling the pretty trees and waterfalls.  And the Geralt.

Modifié par Addai67, 07 mai 2011 - 03:45 .

[NKKKK]

Don't like, don't play, this series doesn't have to cater to your particular brand if it didn't promise so, which can't be said about Dragon Age and Mass Effect.

Damn fan girls...

[Pups_of_war_76]

Pretty environments alone do not a quality RPG make.

Modifié par Pups_of_war_76, 07 mai 2011 - 05:05 .

[Archaven]

Anyone seen the living world trailers? I just went OMGWTF i'm sold...

[Chromie]

Archaven wrote...

Anyone seen the living world trailers? I just went OMGWTF i'm sold...

Actually I remember you "shatting your pants"

[Shirosaki17]

Joshd21 wrote...

I caved and bought the Witcher 2 today, hopefulley it will prvoide some hours of entertainment. I need something to do now that Rift is done and while I wait for SWTOR, which seems not to be released for another six months..

So I'm willing to try this game and hopefulley it kicks ass, or I'm going wish I bought the sims2.

How was Rift btw? Was there good end game content? Is it doing well for a MMO?