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[Pechvogel]

I honestly do not think the game is directed strictly towards man.

Iorveth for instance, might be the the best looking elf I have ever seen in a game, or Geralt for that matter, him running around half naked, exposing his well build torso - Is that too directed towards the male audience?

Also I think that women like to see strong and attractive female characters as much as man do. Perhaps it is more gratifying to identify with such a character?
In general ppl tend to associate sexual attractiveness with success/ strong character. I think this might be the reason we often find beautiful individuals intimidating.
Just a thought.

As for Saskia's outfit it is not as outrageous as some make it out to be. Actually I think it could be an indication of good characterization. She is a solder, but she is also a women, perhaps that low cut armor is a way of portraying that little bit of female vanity in her. Little flaws like this, give the character some depth.

Actually her design reminds me of another character from the witcher saga, Meve – the queen of Lyria and Rivia. [possible book spoiler follows]

There was this one situation in the book where she was siting in a meeting with other northern rulers, while idly fiddling with the giant rubies of her ostentatious neckless. In contrast, there was the scene where she was on the field of battle dressed in a heavy amour, having her teeth knocked out.

[Addai]

Pechvogel wrote...

As for Saskia's outfit it is not as outrageous as some make it out to be. Actually I think it could be an indication of good characterization. She is a solder, but she is also a women, perhaps that low cut armor is a way of portraying that little bit of female vanity in her. Little flaws like this, give the character some depth.

Well not to make too much of it (as we already have I suppose), but a soldier who leaves her neck and chest exposed- that's more than a character quirk.  It's dumb.  They don't call it a breastplate for nothing.  So if we are supposed to respect her for her prowess, the plate brassiere works against it.  I would rather think it's just fanservice than that a warrior female has some rationale to do something so silly.

Modifié par Addai67, 07 mai 2011 - 11:58 .

[JS SOLOMAN 6000]

Modifié par JS SOLOMAN 6000, 08 mai 2011 - 12:13 .

[Quercus]

Addai67 wrote...

Pechvogel wrote...

As for Saskia's outfit it is not as outrageous as some make it out to be. Actually I think it could be an indication of good characterization. She is a solder, but she is also a women, perhaps that low cut armor is a way of portraying that little bit of female vanity in her. Little flaws like this, give the character some depth.

Well not to make too much of it (as we already have I suppose), but a soldier who leaves her neck and chest exposed- that's more than a character quirk. It's dumb. They don't call it a breastplate for nothing. So if we are supposed to respect her for her prowess, the plate brassiere works against it. I would rather think it's just fanservice than that a warrior female has some rationale to do something so silly.

Ever thought of weight and movements restrictions? And besides, plate doesn't save you from a sword or spear trust, and lets not talk about maces and axes. Sure, it saves you from half missed cuts, but the human ribs are study enough to protect your heart and lunghs from that as well. As for the neck, not every one wears neck protection, including male soldiers. It's not dumb, it a choice to make more agile moves or not (yup, even those neck protectors do restrict, mostly your quick turning view.).

But sure, sexy she is, and sexy she is potrait as. And that goes against feminists nature, so we must find aspects to critisize, especialy if they have a sence of truth to it, or can others make it believe so.

She wears no chain male bikini, so your argument is invalid.

Modifié par Shiroukai, 08 mai 2011 - 12:37 .

[Carfax]

Shiroukai wrote...
Ever thought of weight and movements restrictions? And besides, plate doesn't save you from a sword or spear trust, and lets not talk about maces and axes. Sure, it saves you from half missed cuts, but the human ribs are study enough to protect your heart and lunghs from that as well. As for the neck, not every one wears neck protection, including male soldiers. It's not dumb, it a choice to make more agile moves or not (yup, even those neck protectors do restrict, mostly your quick turning view.).

Honestly, thats not true.  Quality plate armor will easily deflect a sword or spear thrust, unless it was done via the power and momentum of riding on horseback.  Plate armor was almost impenetrable for the most part, so you had to look for the gaps and sections in the armor that weren't protected by plate, such as the arm pit or joint areas..

But sure, sexy she is, and sexy she is potrait as. And that goes against feminists nature, so we must find aspects to critisize, especialy if they have a sence of truth to it, or can others make it believe so.

She wears no chain male bikini, so your argument is invalid.

As someone who is a non feminist, even I can see they have a point.  There is no doubt that Saskia (as well as the other women) has been overtly sexualized to a degree.

However, as I've been saying all a long, this is simply a consequence of men preferring to look at depictions of attractive females vs realistic ones.

We see this all the time in fantasy, and really, it's no big deal.......unless you're a feminist.

Modifié par Carfax, 08 mai 2011 - 01:02 .

[orbit991]

My vote is on full body Burkas, anyone with me!?

[Addai]

Shiroukai wrote...

Ever thought of weight and movements restrictions? And besides, plate doesn't save you from a sword or spear trust, and lets not talk about maces and axes. Sure, it saves you from half missed cuts, but the human ribs are study enough to protect your heart and lunghs from that as well. As for the neck, not every one wears neck protection, including male soldiers. It's not dumb, it a choice to make more agile moves or not (yup, even those neck protectors do restrict, mostly your quick turning view.).

Now you're making me laugh.  Why wear armor at all if all you need are bones?    Quality plate would stop most weapons of the era.  In fact it would have stopped early firearm shots, too.

Don't dig the hole any deeper.  It's just fanservice, let's leave it at that.

But sure, sexy she is, and sexy she is potrait as. And that goes against feminists nature, so we must find aspects to critisize, especialy if they have a sence of truth to it, or can others make it believe so.

She wears no chain male bikini, so your argument is invalid.

I'm not a feminist.  The developers themselves market the game as realistic.  But not where boobs are concerned.

[tmp7704]

Shiroukai wrote...

Ever thought of weight and movements restrictions?

The men who appear in the same game clearly didn't. Someone tell them they're totally dumb for wearing all that bulky armour which supposedly isn't good for anything, only slows them down and costs a fortune.

[slimgrin]

Why some gamers want to see representations of women stripped of their sexuality is beyond me. I'll never understand. Dress them in cardboard boxes I guess. Maybe that's equality.

[tmp7704]

Not stressing the sexuality doesn't equal stripping it from people. Maybe that's why you fail to understand -- you're "trying to understand" something that no one actually asks for.

[DragonRageGT]

slimgrin wrote...

Why some gamers want to see representations of women stripped of their sexuality is beyond me. I'll never understand. Dress them in cardboard boxes I guess. Maybe that's equality.

Some people should be watching Game of Thrones or Blood & Sand to see if they get a clue about the force that drives the Universe!

[Archaven]

Or clearly Dragon Age 2 is the game what they really want? *hint* Aveline

Edit
I'm glad CDPR did their own game and not listening much to the fans. Mostly fans are the one who turn it to a bad game. My opinion of course.

Modifié par Archaven, 08 mai 2011 - 04:04 .

[GodWood]

slimgrin wrote...
Why some gamers want to see representations of women stripped of their sexuality is beyond me. I'll never understand. Dress them in cardboard boxes I guess. Maybe that's equality.

And I can't understand why some people fail so much at trying to understand something so simple.

If a female character works in a brothel  I fully expect them to be dressed in a sexualized manner.
If a female character is shown in a sex scene I fully expect nudity. 
But when a female character is in battle she shouldn't be trying to flaunt her goods or be sexualized in any way, she should simply be dressed appropriately for battle.

Why is that so hard to understand?

[Archaven]

@Godwood
So would it satisfy you IF developer made 2 character models, one in loosely after duty armored outfit and another in full cardboard boxes *ahem full plate armor with even helm* when going to battle?

[sympathy4saren]

I wonder what BioWare thinks about this early critic analysis.

[slimgrin]

GodWood wrote...

slimgrin wrote...
Why some gamers want to see representations of women stripped of their sexuality is beyond me. I'll never understand. Dress them in cardboard boxes I guess. Maybe that's equality.

And I can't understand why some people fail so much at trying to understand something so simple.

If a female character works in a brothel  I fully expect them to be dressed in a sexualized manner.
If a female character is shown in a sex scene I fully expect nudity. 
But when a female character is in battle she shouldn't be trying to flaunt her goods or be sexualized in any way, she should simply be dressed appropriately for battle.

Why is that so hard to understand?

It is in fact entirely unrealistic to think a woman would last more than a few seconds in such a battle. It is fantasy. Furthermore, artists have always accentuated the human form. Why is this so surprising to people who play games? It's everywhere: in movies, painting, illustration, sculpture; and prudes have always cried for stuff to be covered up in the name of decency and practicality.

I've long noticed a double standard here on this site, for both Bioware and CD red. They make more realistic depictions of women, they make them sexy and attractive, because fans want their romances right? But they get slammed for doing it. 

Modifié par slimgrin, 08 mai 2011 - 04:52 .

[BlackyBlack]

The Witcher 2 is 'vastly, vastly better than Dragon age 2'

That's not really a compliment. Dog $h!+ is 'vastly, vastly better than Dragon age 2'

[Addai]

slimgrin wrote...

Why some gamers want to see representations of women stripped of their sexuality is beyond me. I'll never understand. Dress them in cardboard boxes I guess. Maybe that's equality.

Oh, please.  Are men in armor stripped of their sexuality?  Do women have to be half naked not to be?

Let women be sexy in appropriate places at appropriate times, and let women who are supposed to be smart and capable look like it- at the appropriate places and times.

Modifié par Addai67, 08 mai 2011 - 05:29 .

[NKKKK]

Addai67 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Why some gamers want to see representations of women stripped of their sexuality is beyond me. I'll never understand. Dress them in cardboard boxes I guess. Maybe that's equality.

Oh, please.  Are men in armor stripped of their sexuality?  Do women have to be half naked not to be?

Let women be sexy in appropriate places at appropriate times, and let women who are supposed to be smart and capable look like it- at the appropriate places and times.

This game wasn't meant to appeal to both genders like Dragon Age, stop demanding that it should. 

[Pechvogel]

I just had a closer look at Saskia's armor. I noticed a little loop. I think her armor is unbutoned, which makes sense considering she is not on a battlefield in those screens.

Addai67 wrote...

Oh, please. Are men in armor stripped of their sexuality? Do women have to be half naked not to be?

And who is the half naked woman, you speak off?

I seriously think ppl are overreacting. She doesn't have a full breast plate, but she does have that cloth/ leather thing, its not like she is naked. A buff-coat is an example of a light yet sturdy leather defense, which provided effective protection against sword cuts. Maybe Saskias armor has similar properties.

Also keep in mind that not all armor was made to be used in warfare. Maybe its a decorative/ parade type of suit.

[Addai]

NKKKK wrote...

This game wasn't meant to appeal to both genders like Dragon Age, stop demanding that it should. 

Are you just making that up?

Modifié par Addai67, 08 mai 2011 - 06:46 .

[Damariel]

 and of course we don't have better topics to discuss.<_<
Did anyone see battle on this screen?... no? soo what is the problem?.

Modifié par Damariel, 08 mai 2011 - 07:01 .

[mean W_Girl]

GodWood wrote...

slimgrin wrote...
Why some gamers want to see representations of women stripped of their sexuality is beyond me. I'll never understand. Dress them in cardboard boxes I guess. Maybe that's equality.

And I can't understand why some people fail so much at trying to understand something so simple.

If a female character works in a brothel  I fully expect them to be dressed in a sexualized manner.
If a female character is shown in a sex scene I fully expect nudity. 
But when a female character is in battle she shouldn't be trying to flaunt her goods or be sexualized in any way, she should simply be dressed appropriately for battle.

Why is that so hard to understand?

could not agree with you more

[Arni-Magic]

бля, вы че вы все на английском?

[Chromie]

Arni-Magic wrote...

бля, вы че вы все на английском?

пошел на хуй, чтобы


I can use google translate to!

Modifié par Ringo12, 08 mai 2011 - 08:23 .