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[BigC-VI]

Please note, that if this in the wrong forum I apologize. I assume this has already been brought up, and if it has, I have not found it, but will put this up for locking when a link is provided, thank you.

I had recently beaten DA2 and had been
highly dissatisfied with one aspect of the new love system, “how
the handled being homosexual” NOW PLEASE, I quoted that because I
was completely for homosexuality in both ME and DA, but when I played
as Hawke, I hated that, even though my character was played straight,
as I am, I was docked friendship points for being nice to Anders and
having him fall for me because of that. Now, as I read the GI article
of ME3, I was overjoyed to finally see the the Virmire Survivor was
back. I personally chose to leave Ashley to die because I had no
romance with her, beside that, Kaiden and I had been the typical
buddies throughout ME1. I think having Kaiden as a friend is awesome,
but, as I discovered in DA2, being friendly, or even caring toward
the character, lead them to love me. I love the fact that my Shep and
VS have a bromance, just like my Shepard had with Jacob in ME2, but I
don't want that coming back on me in the form of love, and therefore,
having to make me turn them down and lose a friendship. I'm aware
that these are two different games, albeit the feel of a medieval ME
in DA2, but I know I was glad to see all types of love accepted into
the game. I think it would be a good option to simply add a romance
option in the menu, like when you first start the game, ( i.e. “Auto
level up, companion powers”)




The romance option would be a simple
choice as displayed.




Romance>

-Female only
-Male only
-Both



This is an unoffensive way to allow
friendships to continue without losing loyalties or causing greif
within your team.




Thanks for reading.







(I'm also aware that the loyalty system
may not even be in ME3 for companions, but it would make sense for
new team members to have a loyalty mission. Also, it has been said
that loyalties will not be strictly missions, and therefore, could be
dialogue options, and thus the reason for this post, thank you. )

[Foolsfolly]

I thought they handled it rather well in DA2. One of the better things about an otherwise mediocre game.

[BigC-VI]

Foolsfolly wrote...

I thought they handled it rather well in DA2. One of the better things about an otherwise mediocre game.

Agreed, but the point is, you had to hurt them if they felt that way. And in all honesty, Anders was quite the flirt with girls in Awakening, and then soon after meeting Hawke, he gets rather mushy in my opinion. I can see how that would initiate fireworks for a female Hawke, but it doesn't seem very much like Anders. All that aside, We shouldn't get docked points for not feeling something you know? I had no intention of being homosexual in the game, so why should I get docked points for it?

[Michoss]

Yeah, they handled it reeeeaaally well with Anders telling you about his boyfriend and hitting on you every time you select 'paragon' option.

[Sajuro]

I think there should be an option to engage romance with any character, otherwise keep it at friendship or bromance level
edit: I meant a literal option in the dialogue wheel.

Modifié par Sajuro, 23 avril 2011 - 12:16 .

[Pwener2313]

ME3 needs this in the options menu below difficulty....

"Are you gay" [YES] [NO] [BOTH WAYS]

[Foolsfolly]

I just told Anders the truth, "I'm not interested in you." And it did cause a bit of a rivalry add but that's not a bad thing if you want to rival him anyway. It could have been done with a neutral answer, I'll agree with that, but it wasn't gamebreaking. So I hurt his feelings. I still ended up with him being 100% Friendship by the end of my first playthrough.

Modifié par Foolsfolly, 23 avril 2011 - 12:19 .

[BigC-VI]

@Michoss: I'm glad im not the only one who saw that lol
@Sajuro: It would be logical, but I think the wheel would become too big?
@Pwener: Unnecessary. We're trying not to offend here. Srsly dude?

[Foolsfolly]

Sajuro wrote...

I think there should be an option to engage romance with any character, otherwise keep it at friendship or bromance level
edit: I meant a literal option in the dialogue wheel.

That's exactly how it's handled in DA2. You click on the Heart icon'd choice and you forward the romance that way. Anders just comes onto the player if they've been diplomatic with him. He's the only character that does that...except for Isabela but no one complains about that, apparently.

[Sajuro]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

I think there should be an option to engage romance with any character, otherwise keep it at friendship or bromance level
edit: I meant a literal option in the dialogue wheel.

That's exactly how it's handled in DA2. You click on the Heart icon'd choice and you forward the romance that way. Anders just comes onto the player if they've been diplomatic with him. He's the only character that does that...except for Isabela but no one complains about that, apparently.

Then I can understand being friend-zoned could bring down your friendship with someone, I know it has when I have been put in the 'just friends' category.

[Seboist]

Michoss wrote...

Yeah, they handled it reeeeaaally well with Anders telling you about his boyfriend and hitting on you every time you select 'paragon' option.

DA2 also rectonned his heterosexuality from Awakening.

[Pwener2313]

BigC-VI wrote...

@Pwener: Unnecessary. We're trying not to offend here. Srsly dude?

Comedy went out the window with you. Just trying to light things up with a joke, no need to be a hardass.

[Foolsfolly]

I actually thought Anders was gay in Awakening until I heard that one comment about wanting a woman. The frosted hair, single golden ear ring, his love of cats and jewelry....he was kinda effeminate back then, ya know.

[cachx]

It seems to me that people got more upset over the unwanted rivalry points instead of the whole "handle homosexuality" thing, wich in Ander´s case, is kinda dumb, because is pretty easy to overcome if you want to befriend him.

Plus, of course a character is going to feel bad/insulted about being shot down. For people that claim to like decisions and consequences, some really hate to deal with the "consequences" part.

I'm not sure this will be an issue at all on ME3, I would really hate if Shep were to turn gay in the last installment just because... (I'm not sure if Liara counts, and I don't know how seriously is the game going to take Kelly ). Also I doubt that last-minute love interests will get introduced.

[Foolsfolly]

yorkj86 wrote...

They'd feel bad about being shot down, if there was no provocation, whatsoever, for those advances?  Hell, if I have to, I'd edit myself lost points, due to such a stupid mechanic.  Or course, that's easier said than done, with the infamous "How the hell do I not romance you" dialogue trap.

Well, the no provocation is a little odd to say. Anders is a refugee fugitive in hiding. Because he's a mage he's also constantly on the look out for Templars. And then he meets Hawke. And if Hawke is supportive, kind, and cares about Anders...well Anders starts to flirt with Hawke.

I mean, it's not a stretch of the imagination. And it's totally avoidable if you use sacrastic/rude/intimidating/neutral dialogue towards the guy.

I found the romances in ME2 to be more annoying. I couldn't talk to any possible romance option (for whichever gender I was currently playing) past a certain point without being brought into their romance. That was annoying since I rarely got to talk to many of these people anyway. I found Jack to be the worst offender in ME2, personally.

[BigC-VI]

I see the point in how they'd not like getting shot down, but it takes away from the experience of being a friend, and actually becoming more then a teammate, like friends you actually trust. It just seems, if it were reality, they would know you aren't that way, and hit on something else.

[Pwener2313]

Yeah, bacause what is said here is how relationships work like in real life. Points be dammed, that **** better not end up in ME.

[Pwener2313]

yorkj86 wrote...

I hate the DA series

*looks at statement*


*looks at DA shield* 


*looks at statement again*

Huh......

[BigC-VI]

Pwener2313 wrote...

Yeah, bacause what is said here is how relationships work like in real life. Points be dammed, that **** better not end up in ME.

-.- I lol'd

[Seboist]

Foolsfolly wrote...

I actually thought Anders was gay in Awakening until I heard that one comment about wanting a woman. The frosted hair, single golden ear ring, his love of cats and jewelry....he was kinda effeminate back then, ya know.

He was flamboyant, yes but he openly flirted with women and in one scene he says something to the effect of "I love you but NOT in THAT way!" to the male Grey Warden in a disgusted tone.

[Foolsfolly]

yorkj86 wrote...

I hate the DA series, so I don't have a clue what you're talking about. I thought we were discussing the way romances factor in to points systems, dialogue systems, and morality systems. If being friendly counts as "provocation," if turning someone down causes them to lose "favor" with my character, and if there's no way to be friendly to them without it counting as "provocation," yes, I will edit myself the lost points.

Well, you're still looking at it in DA:O terms. The Friendship/Rivalry meter is very different than the Like/Dislike meter in the first game. The companions can either be friends or rivals with Hawke.

What that means is that for Friends Hawke is generally supportive, always there to help and lend a hand, and cares for the character. You can romance a friend and they even get a certain friendship passive for it. The companion's storyline changes so Hawke is supportive of them.

Rivals are characters that Hawke disagrees with. You can romance a rival and get a passive for their rivalry. The companion's rivalry storyline has Hawke caring about the characters but forcing them to see their shortcomings in the hopes to overcome them.

Example. The companion character Merrill is a blood mage obessed with elven past. The friendship storyline has Hawke support Merrill's obession and use of Blood Magic (a forbidden school of magic). The rivalry storyline has Hawke dislike Merrill's blood magic usage and thinks Merrill's obession is unhealthy and self-destructive. When you romance her it's either a "You're special, smart, and no one understands you" with friendship and a "I love you, you're intelligent, but I can't let you destroy yourself."

The Friendship/Rivalry system is a rather decent system. I still prefer the ME way of doing things where there is no meter telling you where you stand with their loyalty and affection....but DA2's meter is superior to DA1's.

And I'm not the biggest fan of DA2.

[MajesticJazz]

There was nothing wrong with the bi-sexual romances in DA2. People just need to be more open minded and less homophobic/prejudice.

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