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[SalsaDMA]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

CaptainIsabela wrote...

I don't understand why BW would have to handle anything differently. There was nothing wrong with the romance options for us gays in DA2..and straight people who have a problem with it need to get over themselves.

Let's make an answer for that:


I don't understand why BW would have to handle anything differently.
There was nothing wrong with the romance options for us straigth people in ME1 or ME2.. and gay people who have a problem with it need to get over
themselves.

Notice anything?

Thereis a difference here though,  I'm surprised you don't see it.  You didn't lose any content by the everyone is BI choice,  someone simply gained content. 

Loose/gain content? That's what you think it is about?

It's about massive retconning of characters. People aren't asking for 'more' content. They are asking for existing content to be changed to cater to their specific little fantasy. In this effect I actually would be loosing content, as characters rewritten were no longer the characters they used to be, but someone new. Not to mention the whole fact that this is the 3rd part of trilogy, and from a storytelling perspective it would be one hell of a mess to suddenly sweep as big a change to a character in under the rug as a change in sexual preference would be for the audience.

In all honesty, at first I wouldn't even had raised an eyebrow if BW, to cater to frothing 'straigthophobes' (if that is even a word, but it somehow suits the people in here that are so vehemently against straigth people in their games), had included a new LI option for that segment only. After all, if it didn't touch with the establishment of the old characters what would be the issue, right?

And then it hit me, that it would actually touch on the establishment of the character at the centerpiece of the story: Shepard him/herself.

Wether you like it or not, Shepards sexual identity have been established already in the 2 preceeding games, and making a change to that in the third game is just mindblowingly silly. Silly, as in it would require a serious workload from the writers to make sense, and silly in that it would take focus away from what they want the game to be about: People experiencing 'incredible moments' while trying to save the galaxy.

Ofc, one could argue that it would be an 'incredible moment' too , but more in the way of 'this is not credible at all, why am I even bothering with this kind of plot?' rather than 'wauw.. that was awesome..'

[Ryzaki]

Maria Caliban wrote...

ME 3 isn't going to have all the love interests be bisexual. You'll be lucky to even see m/m in Mass Effect. Heck, the lead designer says FemShep/Liara isn't a same-sex couple.


Mass Effect is the straightverse. Thedas is the biverse.

Sad but true. 

*huggles her biverse* 

See that's why straightverse has to deal with Reapers. They refused to let Harbinger express his love for DudeShepard. 

[Russalka]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...
How many people are actually bi? Not everyone, so I feel that it is unrealistic, even for Ashley or Kaidan. I just want the characters to stay constant.

More unrealistic things have happened during Shepard's travels.

[AngelicMachinery]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@AngelicMachinery

How many people are actually bi? Not everyone, so I feel that it is unrealistic, even for Ashley or Kaidan. I just want the characters to stay constant.

Well,  I know a decent some of bi/gaypeople myself.  It's not a stretch just because you haven't encountered many personally...  though, it's more likely you have encountered them and just haven't realized it.

[Targy90]

rynluna wrote...

Targy90 wrote...

Because Kaiden has never been and never will be a LI for mShep. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Please start a thread with all the spoilers you can give for ME3 since you are obviously a developer!  I want to know all these juicy details.  How dare you hold out on everyone!

It takes a fool not to notice that there will be no male/male action  going on in this trilogy, so please save your sarcasm for someone who cares.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

@jlb524 Well, Shepard had to get the best people for his mission in ME2, and it would be unrealistic if every specialist is a human (Cerberus realized this as well), as there are other races.

Everyone becoming bi? That makes NO sense (my opinion).

[Ryzaki]

Full stop.

Where is anyone genuinely arguing all the LIs be turned bisexual?

[naledgeborn]

Vormaerin wrote...

naledgeborn wrote...

Liara is Xenophilia. Unless they bring Kelly back as a full fledged romance, she doesn't count either. As I said, if you want to RP a gay or a lesbian in Mass Effect, best to just push for it in the game after ME3.

Oh yeah, it doesn't count if it doesn't agree with your point of view.

Obviously, being gay with Thane or Garrus wouldn't be gay because it would be xenophilia?   Same deal with Femshep Talimancers?

Not once did I say I was for or against homosexuality. I got my personal RL views and I try to keep them off the internet. That being said, yes, Thane, Garrus, Wrex, Blasto the Hanar SpecTRe. All Xenophilia. I'm calling a spade a spade. That's all.

Like I said twice already, homosexuality will not be part of this trilogy "officially". Get over it and stop wasting your energy on forcing it in Mass Effect 3 and direct it towards  "Grand Theft Skycar Omega", "Alliance Corsair" or "First Contact War" when they're announced. You'll have an expoentially greater chance of having your gay or lesbian LI in those. 

[Ramirez Wolfen]

@Russalka

One thing doesn't equal another.

[Clonedzero]

rynluna wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...
yup, i even mentioned that i hated their forced romance fanservice in this thread a couple pages back.

So was the writing in of their optional romances such horrible writing and terribly inconsistent that you couldn't even handle playing the game? 

i played the game but i noted how forced and horrible those romances were. i dont want more bad writing in the games, how is that a bad thing?

and again, should they shoe-horn gay romances in breaking any consistancy the characters had to make a minority happy? it seems really ridiculous to want to force something that has NO indication of ever happening.. and yes i'd say the same about tali/garrus romances. just seems like its not worth it.

it works in DA2 because they were established as such, in ME the characters are established as straight. (and no, the "well they never said they werent bi" does not fly. in that case ic ould go "well ashley never said she wasnt super rich and owned 8 mansions" its bad writing)

[Clonedzero]

Ryzaki wrote...

Full stop.

Where is anyone genuinely arguing all the LIs be turned bisexual?

well the fact im arguing that they shouldnt mess with established characters sexual preferences and getting argued against.

i said new characters would be perfectly fine to be bi/gay. but i guess thats not enough?

[jlb524]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@jlb524 Well, Shepard had to get the best people for his mission in ME2, and it would be unrealistic if every specialist is a human (Cerberus realized this as well), as there are other races.

Shepard didn't pick the team...TIM did.  Also, having to rely on non-humans for any type of aid is kind of counter to the Cerberus idealology.   I'm sure they could have found enough awesome humans to round out the team.

But noooooo, we need aliens b/c they are cool or something and the fans like diversity...pshaw!

[Ryzaki]

Clonedzero wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Full stop.

Where is anyone genuinely arguing all the LIs be turned bisexual?

well the fact im arguing that they shouldnt mess with established characters sexual preferences and getting argued against.

i said new characters would be perfectly fine to be bi/gay. but i guess thats not enough?

Yeah that's not what I'm asking. 

The bolded is what I'm asking. 

Asking one or two (or hell even four) LIs be open to s/s romance Shepard isn't asking everyone be turned bisexual. Not even close considering we have 8 straight LIs (and one nongendered)  

[AngelicMachinery]

jlb524 wrote...

Shepard didn't pick the team...TIM did.  Also, having to rely on non-humans for any type of aid is kind of counter to the Cerberus idealology.   I'm sure they could have found enough awesome humans to round out the team.

But noooooo, we need aliens b/c they are cool or something and the fans like diversity...pshaw!

Yea, that made zero sense to me.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

@jlb524 Mass Effect is a science fiction space game. Don't you think that aliens being in it are pretty much a given?

[Dazaster Dellus]

It seems to me less that the pro gay side has become somewhat unreasonable. It seems they don't really want a gay or bi LI in ME3. They want specific gay or bi LI's in ME3(Ashley/Kaidan, Garrus, Tali to be specific) and they want them to become gay/bi out of the blue. Then the other half of the people which I agree with are saying that the characters should remain the same as they have been and not just happen to flip a light switch and jump on the bi train to Shepsville. Hell it has been said over and over that it would be fine if a new character was added and he or she was bi/gay or whatever. But the pro gay/bi group don't want that. They want their specific characters that they like and enjoy to be gay. That is where the impasse is coming from. At least from what I am seeing.

[jeweledleah]

@ Rizaki, we'll have to agree to disagree. I'm completely not buying the whole "they were in love with shepard form the start" plot. if you mean saved their lives on virmire? they feel guilty that the other one was left to die. you mean Horizon? with the angry way most people took it (which was the point I believe, to encourage people to try out new romantic options) - I'm not seeing the love happening there. Ash/ Kaidan feel betrayed there as much as Shepard feels betrayed, more in fact. even in their love letters, you know to Shepards that they felt strongly about, they don't sound incredibly sure about that relationship, especially in case of Kaidan. I'm not seeing how love could possible develop from that.

the only way I can see it happening is if they are starting fresh.

as for adding it in, you cannot make it identical to the old relationship, you need to write it anew, if you are going to make it available for same sex - you also need to make it available for opposite sex (especially for those new players) and the dynamic is already different there, you cannot reuse the old relationship... all for a character that may or may not be in any specific game yeah... a bit more complicated than just taking completely new characters... like James Sanders even, and writing completely fresh romance that can be made identical for male or female, ala Liara (or every DA2 romantic interest)

[kumquats]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@AngelicMachinery

How many people are actually bi? Not everyone, so I feel that it is unrealistic, even for Ashley or Kaidan. I just want the characters to stay constant.

A game should be realistic?
Then it should be possible for Shepard to have a relationship with a plant and the normandy.

Or do you really think hetero, bi or ****** are the only options these days?
We are really a strange species when it comes to love, we are so wierd you have no idea...

[Ramirez Wolfen]

@Dazaster Dellus

FINALLY! SOMEONE BESIDES ME NOTICES!

[jlb524]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@jlb524 Mass Effect is a science fiction space game. Don't you think that aliens being in it are pretty much a given?

I wasn't talking about aliens in the game...just in Shepard's Cerberus party...makes no sense.  They should have been mostly human (if not, all human if we want to get real picky).

Besides, a piece of Science Fiction doesn't have to include aliens.

[AngelicMachinery]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@jlb524 Mass Effect is a science fiction space game. Don't you think that aliens being in it are pretty much a given?

Cerberus is a pro human group,  they're racist and not a fan of aliens.  Sure, they can exist but it makes little sense why they're on a Cerberus ship.

[Ryzaki]

@jeweledleah: Not once did I say it was to be identical to the old romance. Not a one time. And I was always in favor of it being open to both male and female Shepards.

That said we do have to agree to disagree.

[Vormaerin]

naledgeborn wrote...

Like I said twice already, homosexuality will not be part of this trilogy "officially".

Except femshep can totally be attracted to Liara and Liara is a hawt blue chick regardless of what you think about her DNA.   And Kelly Chambers states she's bi and she'll hook up with femshep just in case her word isn't enough on the subject.

So its already part of the setting, officially.