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[Ryzaki]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@jlb524 Mass Effect is a science fiction space game. Don't you think that aliens being in it are pretty much a given?

Cerberus is a pro human group,  they're racist and not a fan of aliens.  Sure, they can exist but it makes little sense why they're on a Cerberus ship.

Yeah...that didn't make much sense to me either. 

[Targy90]

jlb524 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@jlb524 Well, Shepard had to get the best people for his mission in ME2, and it would be unrealistic if every specialist is a human (Cerberus realized this as well), as there are other races.

Shepard didn't pick the team...TIM did.  Also, having to rely on non-humans for any type of aid is kind of counter to the Cerberus idealology.   I'm sure they could have found enough awesome humans to round out the team.

But noooooo, we need aliens b/c they are cool or something and the fans like diversity...pshaw!

TIM is an opportunist, he will use any resources he has available to ensure human dominance in the galaxy.

[jlb524]

Dazaster Dellus wrote...

It seems to me less that the pro gay side has become somewhat unreasonable. It seems they don't really want a gay or bi LI in ME3. They want specific gay or bi LI's in ME3(Ashley/Kaidan, Garrus, Tali to be specific) and they want them to become gay/bi out of the blue. Then the other half of the people which I agree with are saying that the characters should remain the same as they have been and not just happen to flip a light switch and jump on the bi train to Shepsville. Hell it has been said over and over that it would be fine if a new character was added and he or she was bi/gay or whatever. But the pro gay/bi group don't want that. They want their specific characters that they like and enjoy to be gay. That is where the impasse is coming from. At least from what I am seeing.

It seems to me less that the pro xenophillic side has becomes somewhat unreasonable.  It seems they don't really want a new alien LI in ME2.  They want specific alien LI's in ME2 (Tali/Garrus to be specific) and they want them to become interested in humans out of the blue.  Then the other half of the people which I agree with are saying that the characters should remain the same as they have been and not just happen to flip a light switch and jump on the human-loving train to Shepsville. 

[Maria Caliban]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@jlb524 Mass Effect is a science fiction space game. Don't you think that aliens being in it are pretty much a given?

I don't. There's quite a bit of science fiction without aliens.

[PlumPaul93]

jlb524 wrote...

Dazaster Dellus wrote...

It seems to me less that the pro gay side has become somewhat unreasonable. It seems they don't really want a gay or bi LI in ME3. They want specific gay or bi LI's in ME3(Ashley/Kaidan, Garrus, Tali to be specific) and they want them to become gay/bi out of the blue. Then the other half of the people which I agree with are saying that the characters should remain the same as they have been and not just happen to flip a light switch and jump on the bi train to Shepsville. Hell it has been said over and over that it would be fine if a new character was added and he or she was bi/gay or whatever. But the pro gay/bi group don't want that. They want their specific characters that they like and enjoy to be gay. That is where the impasse is coming from. At least from what I am seeing.

It seems to me less that the pro xenophillic side has becomes somewhat unreasonable.  It seems they don't really want a new alien LI in ME2.  They want specific alien LI's in ME2 (Tali/Garrus to be specific) and they want them to become interested in humans out of the blue.  Then the other half of the people which I agree with are saying that the characters should remain the same as they have been and not just happen to flip a light switch and jump on the human-loving train to Shepsville. 

your getting more and more ridiculous by the second. Someone disagrees with what you want and instead of discussing it like a mature person you continue to change the subject and get off topic.

[jlb524]

Targy90 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@jlb524 Well, Shepard had to get the best people for his mission in ME2, and it would be unrealistic if every specialist is a human (Cerberus realized this as well), as there are other races.

Shepard didn't pick the team...TIM did.  Also, having to rely on non-humans for any type of aid is kind of counter to the Cerberus idealology.   I'm sure they could have found enough awesome humans to round out the team.

But noooooo, we need aliens b/c they are cool or something and the fans like diversity...pshaw!

TIM is an opportunist, he will use any resources he has available to ensure human dominance in the galaxy.

But there are plenty of human resources available.  He doesn't need any non-humans on the ship.  Which would, ya know, fall in line with Cerberus' core tenant (humanity needs to rely on ourselves and blah blah blah).

Basically, the reason is that the devs wanted a mix of humans and cool aliens, because people want cool aliens on their team even if it makes zero sense for them to be on their team.  They also want them to be LIs even if that makes zero sense.  I personally don't care, as variety and choice make these games interesting and more fun, but the hypocrisy I see on these forums in regards to s/s LIs is quite obnoxious, especially when these complaints could easily be applied elsewhere in the game.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

@Maria Caliban Did you notice that I also said "space"?

Side note: My computer isn't letting me see anything on page 14, so I won't be able to respond to anything there.

[Sylvianus]

No !

We don't want this crap for M3. Da2 sucks !

M3 has nothing to learn from this game that crap, from stupid decisions, a game that sells poorly, recipe completely ridiculous.

Thank you not to encourage Mass effect's team to follow the footsteps of DA2, you may make a bad game, while for now it promises.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 23 avril 2011 - 09:36 .

[naledgeborn]

"wheels on a bus". I'm done here.

[Targy90]

jlb524 wrote...

Targy90 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@jlb524 Well, Shepard had to get the best people for his mission in ME2, and it would be unrealistic if every specialist is a human (Cerberus realized this as well), as there are other races.

Shepard didn't pick the team...TIM did.  Also, having to rely on non-humans for any type of aid is kind of counter to the Cerberus idealology.   I'm sure they could have found enough awesome humans to round out the team.

But noooooo, we need aliens b/c they are cool or something and the fans like diversity...pshaw!

TIM is an opportunist, he will use any resources he has available to ensure human dominance in the galaxy.

But there are plenty of human resources available.  He doesn't need any non-humans on the ship.  Which would, ya know, fall in line with Cerberus' core tenant (humanity needs to rely on ourselves and blah blah blah).

Basically, the reason is that the devs wanted a mix of humans and cool aliens, because people want cool aliens on their team even if it makes zero sense for them to be on their team.  They also want them to be LIs even if that makes zero sense.  I personally don't care, as variety and choice make these games interesting and more fun, but the hypocrisy I see on these forums in regards to s/s LIs is quite obnoxious, especially when these complaints could easily be applied elsewhere in the game.

They could be applied to these things, true.
But no one cares.

[Sylvianus]

" we dont want " ooooh they are all bi " silly system. T__T

[AngelicMachinery]

Sylvianus wrote...

No !

We don't want this crap for M3. Da2 sucks !

M3 has nothing to learn from this game that crap, from stupid decisions, a game that sells poorly, recipe completely ridiculous.

Thank you not to encourage Mass effect's team follow the footsteps of DA2, you may make a bad game, while for now it promises.

I must be drunk.

[Vormaerin]

Aliens are entirely optional in science fiction, certainly. And no one is arguing that ALL the LIs should be bi in ME3. That's a strawman. No one is even arguing that any particular character should be bi, just that there's not enough information established to make it impossible. There's no reason that Ashley /couldn't/ be, unlikely though it is.

But it it silly that they put all this effort into romances (9 characters) and the only ones that aren't straight are female.

[TheChris92]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@jlb524 Mass Effect is a science fiction space game. Don't you think that aliens being in it are pretty much a given?

Not quite. I don't remember films, such as Minority Report or Inception having any aliens. Science Fiction is a genre, which depicts certain phenomenas that are not necessarily accepted by mainstream science. These phenomenas doesn't have to include aliens of any kind. Just saying. 

Modifié par TheChris92, 23 avril 2011 - 09:37 .

[Russalka]

Sylvianus wrote...

" we dont want " ooooh they are all bi " silly system. T__T

Speak for yourself.

[jlb524]

Targy90 wrote...

They could be applied to these things, true.
But no one cares.

Yes, that's my point...no one cares in those cases but do care in the case of s/s romance and make a big stink about it...and this makes those people look like hypocrites, which is never a good thing.   Then I start to wonder why the s/s thing really bothers these people and not all the other possible immersion breaking boo boo's BW's writers make.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Does anyone notice that I said "space" as well? Or did people just miss it.

[Sylvianus]

I'm speak for some, not for myself bro. so " we "

[Chewin]

TheChris92 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@jlb524 Mass Effect is a science fiction space game. Don't you think that aliens being in it are pretty much a given?

Not quite. I don't remember films, such as Minority Report or Inception having any aliens. Science Fiction is a genre, which depicts certain phenomenas that are not necessarily accepted by mainstream science. These phenomenas doesn't have to include aliens of any kind. Just saying. 

Well he did add the word 'space'...

[jeweledleah]

jlb524 wrote...

But there are plenty of human resources available.  He doesn't need any non-humans on the ship.  Which would, ya know, fall in line with Cerberus' core tenant (humanity needs to rely on ourselves and blah blah blah).

Basically, the reason is that the devs wanted a mix of humans and cool aliens, because people want cool aliens on their team even if it makes zero sense for them to be on their team.  They also want them to be LIs even if that makes zero sense.  I personally don't care, as variety and choice make these games interesting and more fun, but the hypocrisy I see on these forums in regards to s/s LIs is quite obnoxious, especially when these complaints could easily be applied elsewhere in the game.

Or its a great way for TIM to convince Shepard that Cerberus has in fact change all the while arranging for all these pesky alien elements die out in a process, or just  be used.  Cerberus hasn't shied away from using aliens before.  working for Cerberus doesn't mean you ARE Cerberus any more then signing up to take out archangel means you are full fledged blue sun's merc.

@ Rizaki..  my incoherency strikes again, what I meant to say is that they cannot write identical new romance with VS for both Male and female Shepard becasue the dynamic between them and virmire survivor is already different.  specificaly - in case of oposite sex shepard, atraction was there from the start and gotten over years ago. while in case of same sex shepard atraction didn't exist in the beginning.  I suppose you could bring it down to the differences between rivaly/frienship path romances, but its still differences that would have to be adressed.  No need with a fresh character.

plus there's this pesky matter of them not being in half the games.

[Russalka]

Sylvianus wrote...

I'm speak for some, not for myself bro. so " we "

Just exclaiming what you want is not a very progessive way of arguing, is it?

[AngelicMachinery]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Does anyone notice that I said "space" as well? Or did people just miss it.

Space doesn't mean Aliens,  it can mean aliens but it is not requisite.  Check out Dune,  they're aren't really any aliens in that,  sure, there's different plant and animal life but there isn't one single alien.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

@rynluna Your insults are unnecessary. Please refrain from them.

@Chewin3 FINALLY SOMEBODY NOTICES!