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[Destroy Raiden_]

Did anyone ever want to consider that BW wanted to make a game where the main male character wasn't bi? In both DA's he is, in Jade Empire he is, and in Starwars I think he is (never played that one.) Maybe they just wanted to do one where the main character wasn't bi but let fshep secondary main character be alittle sense they didnt' want to completely alienate their past players who were use to that set up. Yet they're being hammered because they wanted to try something different?

[flem1]

Males aren't bi in the first place. This is the main problem.

[AngelicMachinery]

flem1 wrote...

Males aren't bi in the first place. This is the main problem.

I'm not sure what this means...

[Centauri2002]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Did anyone ever want to consider that BW wanted to make a game where the main male character wasn't bi? In both DA's he is, in Jade Empire he is, and in Starwars I think he is (never played that one.) Maybe they just wanted to do one where the main character wasn't bi but let fshep secondary main character be alittle sense they didnt' want to completely alienate their past players who were use to that set up. Yet they're being hammered because they wanted to try something different?

That would be fine if FemShep was a secondary character, but she's not. She's the exact same character as the iconic MaleShep. The only difference is their gender. To have one treated differently from the other is absurd under this premise. You have a bunch of customisability options at the beginning of the game, like changing the way you look. None of that changes your game experience. Unless BioWare want to start changing their marketing: MaleShep - how the game was meant to be played. FemShep - where we shoved all the token aspects.

And if she is secondary (which she's not), then why does she have more varied options? 

[Mykel54]

I personally prefer characters that are consistant, i don´t like all of them being bisexual just for providing fan service. Each one should have it´s own preferences, some could be hetero and other ******, and maybe one or two going both ways. The romances in DA2 feel swallow and unrealistic because of this, like Anders going from straigth in awakenings to ****** in DA2, but stil straigth if you are female. It makes no sense and it is just a cheap way of making all romances open to everybody, that is not how it works, in fact, i would suggest limiting several romances depending on your actions (say that in ME2 Liara is only available if you are mostly paragon, or Miranda if you are mostly renegade).

[alienatedflea]

hey kiddos, here is the biggest swerve in the Mass Effect mythology, After two games in the Shephard storyline, Shephard is now gay because the developers want to please a minority! Who knew?! I thought I would have had to opportunity to be gay in the first one when the story was being set up but noooo my shep just all of the sudden decides to jump out of the closet because BIOWARE wanted to make a very few people happy while sacrifacing the majority...Boy, I didn't see that swerve coming...

[Melduran]

As a role playing game that takes on the role of a space marine who has already been around long before you "ASSUME DIRECT CONTROL" if he isn't gay in the begining then he isnt gay. I swear this crap belongs on the Sims not in a RPG. Call me homophobic but just because an NPC that I like is the same gender doesn't turn it into broke back mountain mass effect. Whats the next step in this escapade? Furrries?

[Centauri2002]

alienatedflea wrote...

hey kiddos, here is the biggest swerve in the Mass Effect mythology, After two games in the Shephard storyline, Shephard is now gay because the developers want to please a minority! Who knew?! I thought I would have had to opportunity to be gay in the first one when the story was being set up but noooo my shep just all of the sudden decides to jump out of the closet because BIOWARE wanted to make a very few people happy while sacrifacing the majority...Boy, I didn't see that swerve coming...

Not a very masterful attempt at sarcasm. >.>

Besides, who said adding an option in for same sex romance would make your Shepard gay? This game is about choice. If you choose to romance a female with your MaleShep then you can quite easily claim he's straight. It's your decision to make. But your play through has no effect on other people.

@Melduran: Funny you mention that. Since you can romance aliens, that claim wouldn't be too farfetched, would it?

Modifié par centauri2002, 30 avril 2011 - 04:42 .

[AngelicMachinery]

I don't understand why your Shepherd becomes gay if the option opens up to hit on a man and you don't follow through with it. It's just another option like who to save on virmire or what have you... it's not the Sheploo suddenly wants to have a pants party for the PRIZE.

We already have furries yo,  look at Turians...  they're like space dinosaurs, and who knows what Tali looks like under her suit?  Her feet remind me of Daisy Duck's.

Modifié par AngelicMachinery, 30 avril 2011 - 05:11 .

[lazuli]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

I don't understand why your Shepherd becomes gay if the option opens up to hit on a man and you don't follow through with it. It's just another option like who to save on virmire or what have you... it's not the Sheploo suddenly wants to have a pants party for the PRIZE.

We already have furries yo,  look at Turians...  they're like space dinosaurs, and who knows what Tali looks like under her suit?  Her feet remind me of Daisy Duck's.

Exactly.  It's sort of like how if you're playing a Renegade Shepard you are not suddenly a Paragon just because the option exists for you to choose to be a Paragon.

[alienatedflea]

centauri2002 wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

hey kiddos, here is the biggest swerve in the Mass Effect mythology, After two games in the Shephard storyline, Shephard is now gay because the developers want to please a minority! Who knew?! I thought I would have had to opportunity to be gay in the first one when the story was being set up but noooo my shep just all of the sudden decides to jump out of the closet because BIOWARE wanted to make a very few people happy while sacrifacing the majority...Boy, I didn't see that swerve coming...

Not a very masterful attempt at sarcasm. >.>

Besides, who said adding an option in for same sex romance would make your Shepard gay? This game is about choice. If you choose to romance a female with your MaleShep then you can quite easily claim he's straight. It's your decision to make. But your play through has no effect on other people.

@Melduran: Funny you mention that. Since you can romance aliens, that claim wouldn't be too farfetched, would it?

Maybe you missed my point.  If shephard was ever given the opportunity to be gay/bi or whatever you want to call it, then the first mass effect would be it.  Now, I'm not going to go with consistency because some people's definitions and rationalizations for consistency is all FUBAR but it would not feel the same mass effect game if in ME3 shep could go with anyone he/she choose to...thats what I hate about DA2 is that because everyone gay gamer out there was ****ing about the stereotypical gay elf was the only option for the males to go with...so to appease the demands of the few everyone in DA2 was bi so if you just wanted to have a friendship with Anders then you would get massively rivarly points for shooting him down...what the hell now we get punished because we dont like them that way? great job bioware...now you people propose the same thing for ME...and I hope they dont listen...its ridiculious that some people can be so selfish...lord knows if I posted this on "fight for love" thread then ill be called a homophobic ****hole...

[alienatedflea]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

I don't understand why your Shepherd becomes gay if the option opens up to hit on a man and you don't follow through with it. It's just another option like who to save on virmire or what have you... it's not the Sheploo suddenly wants to have a pants party for the PRIZE.

We already have furries yo,  look at Turians...  they're like space dinosaurs, and who knows what Tali looks like under her suit?  Her feet remind me of Daisy Duck's.

I will copy and paste my response to you just so you know where I am coming from:

Maybe you missed my point.  If shephard was ever given the opportunity to be gay/bi or whatever you want to call it, then the first mass effect would be it.  Now, I'm not going to go with consistency because some people's definitions and rationalizations for consistency is all FUBAR but it would not feel the same mass effect game if in ME3 shep could go with anyone he/she choose to...thats what I hate about DA2 is that because everyone gay gamer out there was ****ing about the stereotypical gay elf was the only option for the males to go with...so to appease the demands of the few everyone in DA2 was bi so if you just wanted to have a friendship with Anders then you would get massively rivarly points for shooting him down...what the hell now we get punished because we dont like them that way? great job bioware...now you people propose the same thing for ME...and I hope they dont listen...its ridiculious that some people can be so selfish...lord knows if I posted this on "fight for love" thread then ill be called a homophobic ****hole...

[Centauri2002]

alienatedflea wrote...

Maybe you missed my point.  If shephard was ever given the opportunity to be gay/bi or whatever you want to call it, then the first mass effect would be it.  Now, I'm not going to go with consistency because some people's definitions and rationalizations for consistency is all FUBAR but it would not feel the same mass effect game if in ME3 shep could go with anyone he/she choose to...thats what I hate about DA2 is that because everyone gay gamer out there was ****ing about the stereotypical gay elf was the only option for the males to go with...so to appease the demands of the few everyone in DA2 was bi so if you just wanted to have a friendship with Anders then you would get massively rivarly points for shooting him down...what the hell now we get punished because we dont like them that way? great job bioware...now you people propose the same thing for ME...and I hope they dont listen...its ridiculious that some people can be so selfish...lord knows if I posted this on "fight for love" thread then ill be called a homophobic ****hole...

I think you've missed the point, in that case. Most people for the added same sex romance aren't asking for everyone to be bisexual. They're asking for a single male/male romance option. It can be implemented in such a way that the player has to initiate the romance so any Anders-like situations don't crop up again. 

And Shepard can be gay/bisexual. FemShep has that option. She's the exact same character as MaleShep, so why does he not have a similar option? It's still a huge double standard, in my opinion.

[alienatedflea]

centauri2002 wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

Maybe you missed my point.  If shephard was ever given the opportunity to be gay/bi or whatever you want to call it, then the first mass effect would be it.  Now, I'm not going to go with consistency because some people's definitions and rationalizations for consistency is all FUBAR but it would not feel the same mass effect game if in ME3 shep could go with anyone he/she choose to...thats what I hate about DA2 is that because everyone gay gamer out there was ****ing about the stereotypical gay elf was the only option for the males to go with...so to appease the demands of the few everyone in DA2 was bi so if you just wanted to have a friendship with Anders then you would get massively rivarly points for shooting him down...what the hell now we get punished because we dont like them that way? great job bioware...now you people propose the same thing for ME...and I hope they dont listen...its ridiculious that some people can be so selfish...lord knows if I posted this on "fight for love" thread then ill be called a homophobic ****hole...

I think you've missed the point, in that case. Most people for the added same sex romance aren't asking for everyone to be bisexual. They're asking for a single male/male romance option. It can be implemented in such a way that the player has to initiate the romance so any Anders-like situations don't crop up again. 

And Shepard can be gay/bisexual. FemShep has that option. She's the exact same character as MaleShep, so why does he not have a similar option? It's still a huge double standard, in my opinion.

Alright, I will highlight my point: If shephard was ever given the opportunity to be gay/bi or whatever you want to call it, then the first mass effect would be it.
This trilogy is over with...they admitted they didnt have time to add your male s/s romance and they are in the final stages of development of ME3...are you selfishly asking them to do rewrites so a few people might (its not guaranteed) be happy in their shepard universe? It works for DA:O because it was the first game in that storyline therefore it was carried over to DA2 (in bad fashion in my opinion) so It should have been added in ME1 then carried over to ME2 and ME3 but it wasnt and the only way you can have your s/s is fem shep...tough break but life isnt fair and complaining about it wont help...(if you think it does, then look at how successful DA2 "everyone is bi" was)

Modifié par alienatedflea, 30 avril 2011 - 05:31 .

[Russalka]

Why isn't any other request for storylines/gameplay additions called "selfish"?

I thought the forums are for this sort of input.

And I did not really see any problem with how things were handled in Dragon Age 2. It might be a bit of a stretch for Mass Effect 3 though.

Modifié par Russalka, 30 avril 2011 - 05:51 .

[alienatedflea]

Russalka wrote...

Why isn't any other request for storylines/gameplay additions called "selfish"?

I thought the forums are for this sort of input.

And I did not really see any problem with how things were handled in Dragon Age 2. It might be a bit of a stretch for Mass Effect 3 though.

Did I say that the other fan requests weren't selfish? Bioware will make a game that fits the storyline.  I am not making any requests for ME3. Forums for me is just to talk about the game. Sure, people will use the forums to complain or praise the game and selfishly request things from the developers...so you are fine with everyone being Bi? and if you just wanted to be friends, you basically get punished for not having your way with them...

[Olwydd]

Wow, so much vitriole on these forums.

But I finally understand now; these romances are content for sole the purpose of pleasing fans, which obviously means that they are destroyers of immersion and cater to only a perverse minority. Just like Shep being able to romance a Quarian or a Turian in ME2. Of course, all of us here naturally refuse to a acknowlege the validity of such romance options, because Shep couldn't express interest in them in ME1; thus they are a vile, universally hated retcon that should be removed, to, you know, preserve canon Shep, who was shown in ME1, without any shadow of a doubt, to ONLY be interested in Humans and Asari, and never in a million years any other species...

/sarcasm


Is it really so bad for people to want an extra option? Sure, ManShep can't  have a s/s romance in the first two games, but I fail to see how you can automatically equate this to ManShep being somehow canonically straight. It is, after all, a role-playing game; nothing is explicitly said about Shep's sexuality one way or the other, so whining about how this somehow 'infers' that Shep is straight is, quite frankly, absolutely ridiculous. It's up to the player. Moreover, none of the NPCs are shown to be canonically straight, either. Previous signs of attraction for one sex do not necessarily preclude future attraction for another.

Allowing ManShep to engage in a s/s relationship does not diminish or detract from anything. If you don't want your Shep to be gay, don't choose the option. It's as simple as that. Others do want that option. Why deprive them of it out of pettiness?

Modifié par Olwydd, 30 avril 2011 - 06:13 .

[Russalka]

People are free to suggest what ever they want and they should not be judged for it.

I do not care whether everyone is bisexual, I would just wish to see a male bisexual love interest.

And I really wish people understood how well it suited Anders to get rivalry for rejection, or to even come forward with it.. He is a needy person, wishing for approval, wanting help and perhaps to be loved. People get hurt when rejected, it is realistic.

And rivalry is hardly a punishment.

[Darth Death]

I really hope BioWare doesn't take any consideration from what's posted here. Majority of it I feel will ruin ME3 for me.

[AngelicMachinery]

alienatedflea wrote...

I will copy and paste my response to you just so you know where I am coming from:

Maybe you missed my point.  If shephard was ever given the opportunity to be gay/bi or whatever you want to call it, then the first mass effect would be it.  Now, I'm not going to go with consistency because some people's definitions and rationalizations for consistency is all FUBAR but it would not feel the same mass effect game if in ME3 shep could go with anyone he/she choose to...thats what I hate about DA2 is that because everyone gay gamer out there was ****ing about the stereotypical gay elf was the only option for the males to go with...so to appease the demands of the few everyone in DA2 was bi so if you just wanted to have a friendship with Anders then you would get massively rivarly points for shooting him down...what the hell now we get punished because we dont like them that way? great job bioware...now you people propose the same thing for ME...and I hope they dont listen...its ridiculious that some people can be so selfish...lord knows if I posted this on "fight for love" thread then ill be called a homophobic ****hole...

That wasn’t really what I was addressing,  perhaps I should have been more clear.  I was merely confused by the concept that Shepherd having the option to engage in Male/Male romance automatically makes EVERY sheploo out there gay.  It boggles my mind,  it’s like saying that just because the option exist you actually killed both Ashley and Kaiden on Virmire while both simultaneously survived.  Or that every Femme Shep out there swings both ways because they have the potential too.   This is what bothers me.

As for your argument your logic here for the most part could be considered sound,  but,  it pretty much relies on the fact that they never introduce anything new into the series with each new installment.  Such as “If they were going to use ammo in mass effect you would find it in the first game.”  When Mass Effect two came rolling around suddenly we have to scavenge for magazines instead of waiting for heat to reduce.  Things change,  and there is absolutely no reason why male homosexual relationships couldn’t be introduced into the game. 

Will male homosexuality be introduced into the game?  I don’t know.  Will I be disappointed if it is not?  Yes,  but,  it isn’t going to destroy my experience with the game. I’ll play the Mass Effect 3 and enjoy it for what it is.  I do know though I will keep suggesting it though until the game is released,  just as anyone else can express they’re hopes for material included or excluded from the game.

Speaking of  DA2,  I don’t understand peoples anger about everyone being Bi.  It makes more sense to me than Cerberus Employing aliens in Mass Effect 2. 

[Olwydd]

Darth Death wrote...

I really hope BioWare doesn't take any consideration from what's posted here. Majority of it I feel will ruin ME3 for me.

Other people having options will ruin the game for you?

[AngelicMachinery]

alienatedflea wrote...

Russalka wrote...

Why isn't any other request for storylines/gameplay additions called "selfish"?

I thought the forums are for this sort of input.

And I did not really see any problem with how things were handled in Dragon Age 2. It might be a bit of a stretch for Mass Effect 3 though.

Did I say that the other fan requests weren't selfish? Bioware will make a game that fits the storyline.  I am not making any requests for ME3. Forums for me is just to talk about the game. Sure, people will use the forums to complain or praise the game and selfishly request things from the developers...so you are fine with everyone being Bi? and if you just wanted to be friends, you basically get punished for not having your way with them...

As is, in Mass Effect you also get "punished" for not having your way with someone. There is less dialogue available to characters unless you romance them,  and hell,  if your character is the wrong gender dialogue just entirely stops.  I'd rather get +15 rivalary points in DA2 than the sudden lack of character interaction.

[Darth Death]

Olwydd wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

I really hope BioWare doesn't take any consideration from what's posted here. Majority of it I feel will ruin ME3 for me.

Other people having options will ruin the game for you?

From what I read thus far.... YES.

[AngelicMachinery]

Darth Death wrote...

Olwydd wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

I really hope BioWare doesn't take any consideration from what's posted here. Majority of it I feel will ruin ME3 for me.

Other people having options will ruin the game for you?

From what I read thus far.... YES.

May I ask what you read thus far that will RUIN EVERYTHING?  Or is it just the idea of homosexuality that bothers you?

[Darth Death]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

Olwydd wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

I really hope BioWare doesn't take any consideration from what's posted here. Majority of it I feel will ruin ME3 for me.

Other people having options will ruin the game for you?

From what I read thus far.... YES.

May I ask what you read thus far that will RUIN EVERYTHING?  Or is it just the idea of homosexuality that bothers you?

I won't go too deep since my purpose here isn't to debate with others, but after playing DA2 I came to the conclusion that the romance system was oddly done & somewhat disturbing. I just want things to be simple, not overcomplicated or controversial. From what I read, my beliefs are in the minority.