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[alienatedflea]

@ Sennen Scale Are you telling me that you couldnt complete ME1 or ME2 if you didnt have a romance? LMAO good joke...its OPTIONAL

[Russalka]

alienatedflea wrote...

@ Sennen Scale Are you telling me that you couldnt complete ME1 or ME2 if you didnt have a romance? LMAO good joke...its OPTIONAL

Some people would be like that if bisexual options were added.

[SennenScale]

alienatedflea wrote...

SennenScale wrote...

In a role playing game that gives you the choices of apperance, gender, alignment, background, military history, in some cases partymembers, which romance you choose (if your sexuality if fixed, letting us choose a LI at all is rubbish because your preferences would be fixed, as that is a part of your sexuality)and gives you an open world?

Limiting RP options in a game with multiple romance options seems silly and arbitrary unless the romance was central to the plot (Deus Sex Machina? Rescuing Princess Peach?) in some way.

And Femshep is allowed to be a lesbian, straight girl, or bi. Why the attention to Sheploo's orientation if Femshep is up for grabs?

Lets go with your "limiting RP options" theory, Since you think sexual orientation is something up to the person not the developer so why couldnt I negiogated with soveriegn? I personally think it would be cool to be on the WINNING side in ME1...oh wait those damn developers limited my opitions. .

so why couldn't I have a threesome with miranda and Ashley? oh wait damn those developers for limiting my options

so why couldn't I just shoot (whoever the human councilier is) in the head and take his place while saving the galaxy? oh wait damn those developers for limiting my options

so why couldn't I meet the rachni new homeworld so I can see how my little buggies are coming along in ME2? oh wait damn those developers for limiting my options

my point is: you can only make a RPG that has just so many options...Bioware admitted that they ran out of time.  Get over yourself please...better luck next ME storyline

Sovereign is an obvious threat who declares his obvious, threatening intentions in your first convo with him.  There's a concrete, obvious reason why not.

Try and ask Ash for a threesome. You can damn well ask in the first game. She turns you down, but you can ask.

Shooting the councilor you just chose for the seat is sociopathy at it's finest. Mass Effect never gave us chaotic retarded options, so I didn't expect it.

The Rachni are still on Noveria if I remember right and you cannot visit council space. No duh.

However, there is not a concrete reason why MShepard's orientation should be defined while Femshep's is not and there is no plot reason.

S/S lines were recorded but left unaccessible, so they ARE ALREADY MAKING THIS CONTENT, just not allowing Shepard to use it. It is arbitrary and absurd.

Modifié par SennenScale, 01 mai 2011 - 01:34 .

[SennenScale]

alienatedflea wrote...

@ Sennen Scale Are you telling me that you couldnt complete ME1 or ME2 if you didnt have a romance? LMAO good joke...its OPTIONAL

No, I did not. In fact, you have twisted what I have said into the complete opposite of what I actually said.

I repeatedly have called the romances fully optional in other threads, and what I said was:

Limiting RP options in a game with multiple romance options seems
silly and arbitrary unless the romance was central to the plot (Deus Sex
Machina? Rescuing Princess Peach?) in some way.

Implying that the romances are in fact, not central to the plot.

Modifié par SennenScale, 01 mai 2011 - 01:37 .

[alienatedflea]

SennenScale wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

SennenScale wrote...

In a role playing game that gives you the choices of apperance, gender, alignment, background, military history, in some cases partymembers, which romance you choose (if your sexuality if fixed, letting us choose a LI at all is rubbish because your preferences would be fixed, as that is a part of your sexuality)and gives you an open world?

Limiting RP options in a game with multiple romance options seems silly and arbitrary unless the romance was central to the plot (Deus Sex Machina? Rescuing Princess Peach?) in some way.

And Femshep is allowed to be a lesbian, straight girl, or bi. Why the attention to Sheploo's orientation if Femshep is up for grabs?

Lets go with your "limiting RP options" theory, Since you think sexual orientation is something up to the person not the developer so why couldnt I negiogated with soveriegn? I personally think it would be cool to be on the WINNING side in ME1...oh wait those damn developers limited my opitions. .

so why couldn't I have a threesome with miranda and Ashley? oh wait damn those developers for limiting my options

so why couldn't I just shoot (whoever the human councilier is) in the head and take his place while saving the galaxy? oh wait damn those developers for limiting my options

so why couldn't I meet the rachni new homeworld so I can see how my little buggies are coming along in ME2? oh wait damn those developers for limiting my options

my point is: you can only make a RPG that has just so many options...Bioware admitted that they ran out of time.  Get over yourself please...better luck next ME storyline

Sovereign is an obvious threat who declares his obvious, threatening intentions in your first convo with him.  There's a concrete, obvious reason why not.

Try and ask Ash for a threesome. You can damn well ask in the first game. She turns you down, but you can ask.

Shooting the councilor you just chose for the seat is sociopathy at it's finest. Mass Effect never gave us chaotic retarded options, so I didn't expect it.

The Rachni are still on Noveria if I remember right and you cannot visit council space. No duh.

However, there is not a concrete reason why MShepard's orientation should be defined while Femshep's is not and there is no plot reason.

S/S lines were recorded but left unaccessible, so they ARE ALREADY MAKING THIS CONTENT, just not allowing Shepard to use it. It is arbitrary and absurd.

lol rrriiiigggghhhhht...i see the rumor mill is working overtime

[alienatedflea]

SennenScale wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

@ Sennen Scale Are you telling me that you couldnt complete ME1 or ME2 if you didnt have a romance? LMAO good joke...its OPTIONAL

No, I did not. In fact, you have twisted what I have said into the complete opposite of what I actually said.

I repeatedly have called the romances fully optional in other threads, and what I said was:

Limiting RP options in a game with multiple romance options seems
silly and arbitrary unless the romance was central to the plot (Deus Sex
Machina? Rescuing Princess Peach?) in some way.

Implying that the romances are in fact, not central to the plot.

so why do you fret over something thats optional and not core to the story? this seems to really get under your skin...hmm interesting but i guess with some people its impossible to please...like yourself

[didymos1120]

alienatedflea wrote...

lol rrriiiigggghhhhht...i see the rumor mill is working overtime

What rumor are you referring to?

[Russalka]

alienatedflea wrote...
so why do you fret over something thats optional and not core to the story? this seems to really get under your skin...

Can't the same thing be asked from you? 

[SennenScale]

alienatedflea wrote...

so why do you fret over something thats optional and not core to the story? this seems to really get under your skin...hmm interesting but i guess with some people its impossible to please...like yourself

The same reason some fret over...oh...minor things like certain loyalty missions. It adds to the characters and it's a major way we access their character development, though not strictly necessary and fully optional.

Considering that Bioware went through an entire game not referring to the gender of Revan in Kotor, gender neutral convos and a disabled gender check for one to two squaddies would be trivially simple and throws the gay/lesbian and roleplayer demographics a bone. Not the ideal solution, but it would be nice gesture to those us of who desire this option and would expend minimal resources.


Wait a tic, Alienated. Are you really asking why a roleplayer frets over a dummied out option? Really?

Modifié par SennenScale, 01 mai 2011 - 02:34 .

[eternalnightmare13]

BigC-VI wrote...




Please note, that if this in the wrong forum I apologize. I assume this has already been brought up, and if it has, I have not found it, but will put this up for locking when a link is provided, thank you.

I had recently beaten DA2 and had been
highly dissatisfied with one aspect of the new love system, “how
the handled being homosexual” NOW PLEASE, I quoted that because I
was completely for homosexuality in both ME and DA, but when I played
as Hawke, I hated that, even though my character was played straight,
as I am, I was docked friendship points for being nice to Anders and
having him fall for me because of that. Now, as I read the GI article
of ME3, I was overjoyed to finally see the the Virmire Survivor was
back. I personally chose to leave Ashley to die because I had no
romance with her, beside that, Kaiden and I had been the typical
buddies throughout ME1. I think having Kaiden as a friend is awesome,
but, as I discovered in DA2, being friendly, or even caring toward
the character, lead them to love me. I love the fact that my Shep and
VS have a bromance, just like my Shepard had with Jacob in ME2, but I
don't want that coming back on me in the form of love, and therefore,
having to make me turn them down and lose a friendship. I'm aware
that these are two different games, albeit the feel of a medieval ME
in DA2, but I know I was glad to see all types of love accepted into
the game. I think it would be a good option to simply add a romance
option in the menu, like when you first start the game, ( i.e. “Auto
level up, companion powers”)




The romance option would be a simple
choice as displayed.




Romance>

-Female only
-Male only
-Both



This is an unoffensive way to allow
friendships to continue without losing loyalties or causing greif
within your team.




Thanks for reading.







(I'm also aware that the loyalty system
may not even be in ME3 for companions, but it would make sense for
new team members to have a loyalty mission. Also, it has been said
that loyalties will not be strictly missions, and therefore, could be
dialogue options, and thus the reason for this post, thank you. )

Not a bad idea.  Reminds me of Neverwinter Nights where they had a slider for the amount of gore in the game. From none to exploding corpses.
  
Personally, I'd rather see them allow you to turn down a gay/lesbian npc in a kind way and continue to develop a platonic friendship rather then hurt them and have the friendship stall/die then leave it to some technical programming resolution.  Think it'd be easier for a game developer, too.  I think the writer's need to distinguish and do a better job with the whole friendship/relationship development.  Sometimes you can be friendly with an npc and suddenly they're trying to get in your pants - I think they should give multiple dialogue choices, and color code them or something so it's apparent ''flirting'' or ''friendly''.  Then the player doesn't find themselves in a ****** erotic situation they don't want to be in, or denied from being in one.

[Destroy Raiden_]

centauri2002 wrote...

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Did anyone ever want to consider that BW wanted to make a game where the main male character wasn't bi? In both DA's he is, in Jade Empire he is, and in Starwars I think he is (never played that one.) Maybe they just wanted to do one where the main character wasn't bi but let fshep secondary main character be alittle sense they didnt' want to completely alienate their past players who were use to that set up. Yet they're being hammered because they wanted to try something different?

That would be fine if FemShep was a secondary character, but she's not. She's the exact same character as the iconic MaleShep. The only difference is their gender. To have one treated differently from the other is absurd under this premise. You have a bunch of customizability options at the beginning of the game, like changing the way you look. None of that changes your game experience. Unless BioWare want to start changing their marketing: MaleShep - how the game was meant to be played. FemShep - where we shoved all the token aspects.

And if she is secondary (which she's not), then why does she have more varied options? 

She is second. Who is the main face of the brand? Who is all the advertising done with? BW spends uber money on commercials, CG animators, packaging, cover art, book art, hell if they had a CD he'd be on it why because Mshep is primary first main character.

Why is fshep on nothing? Because she is a secondary main character. She is optional she was an add in like the girl in fable who is primary main character of the fable series a male even if that male has red hair in game one and blonde hair by game 3 it's still a male physique on screen not the female she is secondary both have the same lives, both have the same experiences, but she is second.

She got more options 1 because she's female some some language will changed soly on that alone and 2 she is second for the reason I noted earlier she gets the more taboo subjects then mshep. She is the unofficial shep in the series he is the official shep in the series it's the line between 1st and 2nd place, the fine line between sarcasm and rudeness, official and unofffical.

[sN00Z]

BigC-VI wrote...





I quoted that because I was completely for homosexuality in both ME and DA...I personally chose to leave Ashley to die because I had no romance with her, beside that, Kaiden and I had been the typical buddies throughout ME1. I think having Kaiden as a friend is awesome...

That made me chuckle, I'd admit that I was reading that post out of context.

I initially snarled at the idea that developers should even consider bi or homosexuality if it would not even be apart of the official storyline just to please a sub group of individuals. Just then however, the knowledge that was instilled upon me through formal education especially with a economic degree sparked and I said aloud "hey money is money, the more the better" so from that perspective I could understand.

Of course rebutles regarding the chief creative idea of whether or not the sexuality is apart of the story or not is up for debate, but my post if not about deliberating that. If I assume that the inidividuals playing Me series are educated and openminded then whether the char is bi or ****** has not risidual impact on the game itself.

I for one asked myself  "hypothetically if shepard was gay or bi, would you not want to play him as the hero in mass effect or would it make even a difference?" I pondered as I took a sip of my orange dream machine from Jamba and I honestly don't think it would, unless he was flamboyantly gay like Brian's cousin from family or Mr. Garrison from South park, or Will friend from Will and Grace. Actually, come to think of it if they did make a flamboyantly gay shepard as a DLC, I would totally buy it, can you imagine the dialogue to be had in combat, LOL. 

On a end note, I am not sure how critical sexuality of the lead character has been in the ME seires because if it does play a significant role I haven't been privy to it so I doubt that they will use the template in DA2 for Me3. Since the game is unfinished no consumer knows with 100 certainty just yet. 
 

[ElitePinecone]

Destroy Raiden wrote...
She is second. 

I'm sorry, but this is simply not true. Wild speculation and comparison to other games doesn't make your point any stronger.

Bioware's marketing department and project leads - from Casey Hudson down - have emphaszed that there is no canon Shepard. 

For marketing purposes the team chose to use one particular face of Shepard. But this does not make that face canon in the Mass Effect universe. Shepard is a blank canvas on which the player creates a character - whether male or female. 

Your point about female Shepard 'getting the taboo topics' is bizarre and not a little insensitive. Do you have any evidence for this? Any quotes from developers? Or is it a gut feeling? How does that explain the planned option for male Shepard to romance Kaidan in the first game?

Female Shepard isn't a 'secondary main character', because there is only one main character - Shepard, whose gender is defined by the player.


This isn't a personal attack, but I can't let statements that are clearly mistaken slide. 

[alienatedflea]

didymos1120 wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

lol rrriiiigggghhhhht...i see the rumor mill is working overtime

What rumor are you referring to?

This rumor that there was a gay scene between SHep and Alenko in ME1 when there was none and other gay scenes with various squaddies in ME2...and now there is alleged gay scenes in ME3...lol I mean these people who just happen to be gay are either delusional and are seeing what they want to see OR they are making it up (On the Internet, you can find anything...none are reliable tho)...Throughout the ME experience thus far, there is no gay relationships whatsoever (don't try that fem shep and asari bull****) yet people swear up and down that they had "connections" with squaddies they couldnt be with...its stupid to suggest that tthis late in the game they (Bioware) is going to throw a hail-mary and put in Gay relationships in or even worse make every damn one of them bi so everyone can be happy even tho it might be really watered down and emotionless like in DA2...thats the rumor I am talking about

[alienatedflea]

SennenScale wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

so why do you fret over something thats optional and not core to the story? this seems to really get under your skin...hmm interesting but i guess with some people its impossible to please...like yourself

The same reason some fret over...oh...minor things like certain loyalty missions. It adds to the characters and it's a major way we access their character development, though not strictly necessary and fully optional.

Considering that Bioware went through an entire game not referring to the gender of Revan in Kotor, gender neutral convos and a disabled gender check for one to two squaddies would be trivially simple and throws the gay/lesbian and roleplayer demographics a bone. Not the ideal solution, but it would be nice gesture to those us of who desire this option and would expend minimal resources.


Wait a tic, Alienated. Are you really asking why a roleplayer frets over a dummied out option? Really?

lol you dont need to be in a relationship to get all the dark little secrets...are you telling me that you had a relationship (not a friendship) with all your friends to "really" get to know them? lol come on man, no you did not!.  Yet, you are going to try to tell me that we need to be able to have the option of having a relationship with every person on the normandy so we can "really" get to know them? lol thats funny

[didymos1120]

alienatedflea wrote...
This rumor that there was a gay scene between SHep and Alenko in ME1 when there was none and other gay scenes with various squaddies in ME2...

There's nothing alleged about it at all: the dialogue files exist, and the animations exist too.  If you mod your save, the game will play them.  The difference is that in ME1, there's complete dialogue present for MShep/Kaidan and Femshep/Ashley romances, whereas in ME2 only some of the dialogue is present (how much depends on the romance in question.  For instance, in the audio files for the LotSB DLC, there are Femshep responses for Jack, Miranda and Tali to Liara's questions about them as LIs, whereas MShep has none for the male LIs).  The love scene animations work just fine in both games, however. 

It's not exactly difficult to either rip the dialogue and hear this material for yourself or actually see them in-game.

Also, this:

As far as M/M love interests... I can say that it was planned, but as far as I know it was cut due to time constraints. Quite frankly the demand is small. I'm not defending it, but the choice is between a level that everyone will enjoy and a romance that only a minority will enjoy. We did it in Jade so we're not afraid of it; there just isn't enough time.

Modifié par didymos1120, 02 mai 2011 - 11:55 .

[alienatedflea]

didymos1120 wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...
This rumor that there was a gay scene between SHep and Alenko in ME1 when there was none and other gay scenes with various squaddies in ME2...

There's nothing "alleged" about it at all: the dialogue files exist, and the animations exist too.  If you mod your save, the game will play them.  The difference is that in ME1, there's complete dialogue present for MShep/Kaidan and Femshep/Ashley romances, whereas in ME2 only some of the dialogue is present (how much depends on the romance in question.  For instance, in the audio files for the LotSB DLC, there are Femshep responses for Jack, Miranda and Tali to Liara's questions about them as LIs, whereas MShep has none for the male LIs).  The love scene animations work just fine in both games, however. 

It's not exactly difficult to either rip the dialogue and hear this material for yourself or actually see them in-game.

Also, this:

As far as M/M love interests... I can say that it was planned, but as far as I know it was cut due to time constraints. Quite frankly the demand is small. I'm not defending it, but the choice is between a level that everyone will enjoy and a romance that only a minority will enjoy. We did it in Jade so we're not afraid of it; there just isn't enough time.

Whoa really? let me play my Mass Effect game again...surely I missed something...OH WAIT they exist only on the internet...NOT in the game therefore allegedly it was suppose to be included in the game but it wasnt...the final product of both ME1 and ME2 didnt have same sex relationships, why in the world would they suddenly include it for ME3? Its not going to happen so stop ****ing about it...just hope its in the next ME storyline...

[Russalka]

alienatedflea wrote...
lol you dont need to be in a relationship to get all the dark little secrets...are you telling me that you had a relationship (not a friendship) with all your friends to "really" get to know them?

Many nuances about the companions in the games are only revealed by pursuing love.

[ElitePinecone]

alienatedflea wrote...
This rumor that there was a gay scene between SHep and Alenko in ME1 when there was none and other gay scenes with various squaddies in ME2...

Here you go.

Also here.

Also here.

And here.

It's not a rumour. It's fact. It was always intended, Bioware devs have confirmed that it was planned and recorded.

[didymos1120]

alienatedflea wrote...
Whoa really? let me play my Mass Effect game again...surely I missed something...OH WAIT they exist only on the internet...NOT in the game therefore allegedly it was suppose to be included in the game but it wasnt...the final product of both ME1 and ME2 didnt have same sex relationships, why in the world would they suddenly include it for ME3? Its not going to happen so stop ****ing about it...just hope its in the next ME storyline...

I'm not ****ing.  I'm providing facts: the animations exist. Audio exists, and it is complete in ME1.  A programmer on the ME team has stated that M/M was indeed planned but cut. The content may be disabled, but it is in the game files.  If you're too lazy too check for yourself, oh well.  Doesn't change the facts. 

Or did you somehow think people magically managed to fabricate audio that sounds exactly like Meer and Hale and also somehow created their own animations that work with the Unreal Engine, despite the fact that that just isn't possible with the current (meager) modding tools available?

Modifié par didymos1120, 02 mai 2011 - 12:06 .

[ElitePinecone]

alienatedflea wrote...
 Its not going to happen so stop ****ing about it...just hope its in the next ME storyline...

Let me write this as clearly as I can. 

This is an internet forum about Bioware's games. This thread is discussing Bioware's games, and what could be done to improve them. People have different opinions.

They have a right to those opinions. You may disagree. 

You have no right to shut down anyone's expression of opinion, unless they're going against the site rules. Since nobody is being offensive or defamatory, as far as I can see, everything in this forum is relevant discussion. 

Protest against it if you like, using all the fragile arguments and half-baked protests you can muster. But don't say we shouldn't be talking about the issue just because you find it offensive or repetitive. Discussion is never, ever a bad thing. 

You don't like it? Don't read this topic. Leave it in peace. 

[Tripedius]

Sigh, this again. Put gayness in a game, people whine, don't put gayness in a game, people whine. Shep is not gay, please just except that, who cares anyway, although I guess gay teen boys can be just as frustrated as heterosexual teen boys. I have nothing against homosexuality but I do have a gripe with all the whining about it in relation to computer games. And sure I know 'people just want to roleplay a gay shepard', but it's a frinkin game, there is no gay sex and that's just fine as well.

[Wittand25]

Oh flea is back. Still raging about "continuity"(but only as long as Sheploo´s sexual orientation is concerned) too I see. Still totally failing to see the point that even if an option for m/m was included it would not change the orientation of a straight Shepard unless the player chooses to pursue the m/m romance.