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[Wittand25]

jeweledleah wrote...

well lets see.  they have to adress the fact that in ME1 romances are polarizing.  Kaidan and Ashley show interest to oposite gender Shepard but not same sex shepard and they show it outside of the private conversations.  the atraction is shown throughout the game in banter, slipups, etc.  So, they cannot just use "you never asked" excuse with the npc's. you CAN use it with Shepard, but it needs to be written well, and you cannot just have this characters fall all over themselves to be with  Shepard, and you cannot just say - well they were always bi, you just didn't know it, or that they are Shepard sexual, becasue in previous games?  they weren't. you say its a non factor, but I'm sorry - it is.  becasue it sets the precedent.  it especialy sets the precedent with Shepard sexual idea (at least in DA, you have 2 different protagonists, so you can kinda claim that maybe Anders wasn't atracted to warden but IS atracted to Hawke).  you have to write a separate arc for same sex romance.  you have to make sure that its evenly distributed between males and females, you have to make sure that it doesn't punish players who are new to the franchise (you now that by default, the game choses the oposite gender teammate asa virmire survivor, right?), or players who happened to save/lose specific characters.  Everyone but Liara can die in prior games and unlike DA team, ME team doesn't seem to be into retconning deaths.

people like to say that rewriting old characters will be easier/cheaper.  they already have to concider all the variables when it comes to who lived or died and how they will afftect the actual plot of the game.  now imaginehaving to concider those variables when it comes to same sex romance.  easier to just write new characters who will be alive in everyone's games and who don't have pesky backstories to adress.

just waving it all away is sloppy writing.

Even the straight romance with the VS is practically ended anyway, don´t forget the VS believed Shepard to be dead for two years. It would be rather easy to write the romance in a way hat it fits for both a new start (regardless of Shepard´s sex) and as continuation for an imported safegame. It is also announced that unlike ME2, ME3 will give the option to pick the VS on all three platforms so the availability is no problem either.

Anyway a new companion would be OK too, the combination of both would be the best. And for all those who do not want everyone bi, even if the VS comes back and is available to all Shepards and the mandatory new possible LIs are bisexual too, there still would be twice as many straight as homosexual options since the all straight cast of ME2 would not be changed.

[Clonedzero]

jeweledleah wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

Rewrite?
What would they possibly have to rewrite?
No character at any point makes clear reference to their orientation. Not even Jack, as her "girl's club" comment can easily be construed as intended to describe a more general apprehension. The issue of previously not being available for a s/s romance is a non-factor here, since BioWare could easily and legitimately elaborate on any character to define their sexual characteristics.
Because as it is, nothing is clearly defined.

well lets see.  they have to adress the fact that in ME1 romances are polarizing.  Kaidan and Ashley show interest to oposite gender Shepard but not same sex shepard and they show it outside of the private conversations.  the atraction is shown throughout the game in banter, slipups, etc.  So, they cannot just use "you never asked" excuse with the npc's. you CAN use it with Shepard, but it needs to be written well, and you cannot just have this characters fall all over themselves to be with  Shepard, and you cannot just say - well they were always bi, you just didn't know it, or that they are Shepard sexual, becasue in previous games?  they weren't. you say its a non factor, but I'm sorry - it is.  becasue it sets the precedent.  it especialy sets the precedent with Shepard sexual idea (at least in DA, you have 2 different protagonists, so you can kinda claim that maybe Anders wasn't atracted to warden but IS atracted to Hawke).  you have to write a separate arc for same sex romance.  you have to make sure that its evenly distributed between males and females, you have to make sure that it doesn't punish players who are new to the franchise (you now that by default, the game choses the oposite gender teammate asa virmire survivor, right?), or players who happened to save/lose specific characters.  Everyone but Liara can die in prior games and unlike DA team, ME team doesn't seem to be into retconning deaths.

people like to say that rewriting old characters will be easier/cheaper.  they already have to concider all the variables when it comes to who lived or died and how they will afftect the actual plot of the game.  now imaginehaving to concider those variables when it comes to same sex romance.  easier to just write new characters who will be alive in everyone's games and who don't have pesky backstories to adress.

just waving it all away is sloppy writing.

i didnt say that, the other guy did lol.

but yes i agree. the argument that "they never flat out said their sexual orientation in earlier games" is a really really weak excuse. forcing old characters into having huge character trait differences is a rather huge change. peoples sexual orientation is a fairly large part of who they are.

i said earlier the best comprimise would be to introduce a new gay character to be romancable. retconning old characters is a really bad idea though.

[Clonedzero]

Dazaster Dellus wrote...

It is good that they haven't incorporated Homosexuality into ME series. I didn't mind it in DA because it fits. But with ME it is different. Just like most real life militaries homosexuality is forbidden in Ranks. I think ME follows along those lines which is fine by me. The Alliance is just a combined and futuristic version of our current armed forces.

well actually there are plenty of militaries around the world that dont care anymore.

the roman army back in the day was extremely successful and they encouraged gay relationships with their fellow soldiers. i guess the rationality was they'd fight harder if their lover was next to them or something. it worked pretty well for them though.

[Siansonea]

Oh, it's this thread again. "I don't mind Gay Homosexuals, but can I please turn off the gay in my game? Kthnxbai"

No, you can't.

I'm really tired of the "I got Anders Rivalry because I wouldn't flirt with him" trope. I got Isabela Rivalry for being nice to people. I got Sebastian Rivalry for all sorts of things. I got Fenris Rivalry for siding with mages. The Friendship/Rivalry system compares your actions with the characters' preferences, and assigns points in either direction base on those actions. I'm sure the +5 or whatever Anders Rivalry you got for saying "I only like fish" is more than offset by being a magehugger throughout the game. And if you're not a magehugger, then that is going to be a drop in the bucket. So quit acting like the game is 'punishing you' for not being open to the Gay Love.

People think that if they say something offensive in a nice way, that it's not offensive. That's BS. If a character is bisexual, you shouldn't have the option to turn off that bisexuality just because it makes you uncomfortable. Or make a character exclusively gay who was previously exclusively straight, for that matter. Basically, you shouldn't be able to customize any of the characters except Shepard/Hawke. You don't get to do that in real life either. You can influence them, even make decisions that affect them greatly, but you can't just change who they are.

I have a couple of male Shepards who are bromantically involved with Kaidan too, and would never take it to a romantic level with him. If Kaidan brings it up, they'll just say they only like fish, and continue with the existing bromance. No muss, no fuss. My other ManShep, on the other hand, would totally go for it. Same Kaidan, different Shepards, different results. Easy breezy.

[Maugrim]

Dazaster Dellus wrote...

It is good that they haven't incorporated Homosexuality into ME series. I didn't mind it in DA because it fits. But with ME it is different. Just like most real life militaries homosexuality is forbidden in Ranks. I think ME follows along those lines which is fine by me. The Alliance is just a combined and futuristic version of our current armed forces.

No

Gays are allowed to serve in Albania, Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Bermuda, Canada, Republic of China, Colombia, Croatia, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Republic of Ireland, Israel, Italy, Japan, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Peru, Philippines, Poland, Romania, Russia, Serbia, Slovenia, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Thailand, Uruguay. United Kingdom and very shortly the USA.

Some semi-major powers who don't allow gays to serve are North Korea, Iran, Egypt and Pakistan.  Hardly governments  worth emulating on moral issues.  None of the ones who ban it outright have militaries worth a tinkers damn.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 23 avril 2011 - 06:54 .

[JamieCOTC]

Anders: The only problem I had w/ Anders was Hawke's response to his come on. It was basically yes, yes, and get away from me. I would have preferred a middle ground of, "Thank you, but no." You'd should still lose points as you just rejected the guy.

Homosexuality in ME3: I don't see it happening to either old or new characters. As for femshep and Liara, I'm certain it will be left ambiguous enough that the player can decide what is going on there.

[PlumPaul93]

Clonedzero wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

Rewrite?
What would they possibly have to rewrite?
No character at any point makes clear reference to their orientation. Not even Jack, as her "girl's club" comment can easily be construed as intended to describe a more general apprehension. The issue of previously not being available for a s/s romance is a non-factor here, since BioWare could easily and legitimately elaborate on any character to define their sexual characteristics.
Because as it is, nothing is clearly defined.

well lets see.  they have to adress the fact that in ME1 romances are polarizing.  Kaidan and Ashley show interest to oposite gender Shepard but not same sex shepard and they show it outside of the private conversations.  the atraction is shown throughout the game in banter, slipups, etc.  So, they cannot just use "you never asked" excuse with the npc's. you CAN use it with Shepard, but it needs to be written well, and you cannot just have this characters fall all over themselves to be with  Shepard, and you cannot just say - well they were always bi, you just didn't know it, or that they are Shepard sexual, becasue in previous games?  they weren't. you say its a non factor, but I'm sorry - it is.  becasue it sets the precedent.  it especialy sets the precedent with Shepard sexual idea (at least in DA, you have 2 different protagonists, so you can kinda claim that maybe Anders wasn't atracted to warden but IS atracted to Hawke).  you have to write a separate arc for same sex romance.  you have to make sure that its evenly distributed between males and females, you have to make sure that it doesn't punish players who are new to the franchise (you now that by default, the game choses the oposite gender teammate asa virmire survivor, right?), or players who happened to save/lose specific characters.  Everyone but Liara can die in prior games and unlike DA team, ME team doesn't seem to be into retconning deaths.

people like to say that rewriting old characters will be easier/cheaper.  they already have to concider all the variables when it comes to who lived or died and how they will afftect the actual plot of the game.  now imaginehaving to concider those variables when it comes to same sex romance.  easier to just write new characters who will be alive in everyone's games and who don't have pesky backstories to adress.

just waving it all away is sloppy writing.

i didnt say that, the other guy did lol.

but yes i agree. the argument that "they never flat out said their sexual orientation in earlier games" is a really really weak excuse. forcing old characters into having huge character trait differences is a rather huge change. peoples sexual orientation is a fairly large part of who they are.

i said earlier the best comprimise would be to introduce a new gay character to be romancable. retconning old characters is a really bad idea though.

well I don't think the ME team will change the way  characters were in the previous games to appease people. If they do have gay/bi romances in the game (which I doubt they will) I'd guess it would be a new character.

Modifié par PlumPaul82393, 23 avril 2011 - 06:58 .

[Vormaerin]

Clonedzero wrote...

the roman army back in the day was extremely successful and they encouraged gay relationships with their fellow soldiers. i guess the rationality was they'd fight harder if their lover was next to them or something. it worked pretty well for them though.

Well, to be fair, this whole concept of "homosexual" was pretty much invented by the post Freudian psychologists.   Prior to that, no one really talked about sexual orientation.   They used completely different frames of reference.   Some things we consider gay were acceptable in "straight" men, while some things we don't' consider gay weren't.

Also, you are confusing the Romans and the Greeks.   The Romans were pretty homophobic, they just defined their equivalent of homosexual quite differently.

[Badpie]

Dante Angelo wrote...

Dazaster Dellus wrote...

It is good that they haven't incorporated Homosexuality into ME series. I didn't mind it in DA because it fits. But with ME it is different. Just like most real life militaries homosexuality is forbidden in Ranks. I think ME follows along that lines which is fine by me.

No it's forbidden to be openly Homosexual or Bisexual. There's a difference

Its' not "forbidden"  just openly looked down upon by vocal ignorant jerks.

[Wittand25]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...
well I don't think the ME team will change the way  characters were in the previous games to appease people. If they do have gay/bi romances in the game (which I doubt they will) I'd guess it would be a new character.

They did before and were successful with it.

Anyway since the VS already needs nearly twice the work than other NPCs it is quite possible that they will be the surviving sibling of ME3 (they stay with you for a short time and then pop up occasionally later). Which of course would making them newly romanceable quite pointless. 

[Dante Angelo]

Badpie wrote...

Dante Angelo wrote...

Dazaster Dellus wrote...

It is good that they haven't incorporated Homosexuality into ME series. I didn't mind it in DA because it fits. But with ME it is different. Just like most real life militaries homosexuality is forbidden in Ranks. I think ME follows along that lines which is fine by me.

No it's forbidden to be openly Homosexual or Bisexual. There's a difference

Its' not "forbidden"  just openly looked down upon by vocal ignorant jerks.

Thats what I meant. Well sorta

[jeweledleah]

Wittand25 wrote...

Even the straight romance with the VS is practically ended anyway, don´t forget the VS believed Shepard to be dead for two years. It would be rather easy to write the romance in a way hat it fits for both a new start (regardless of Shepard´s sex) and as continuation for an imported safegame. It is also announced that unlike ME2, ME3 will give the option to pick the VS on all three platforms so the availability is no problem either.

Anyway a new companion would be OK too, the combination of both would be the best. And for all those who do not want everyone bi, even if the VS comes back and is available to all Shepards and the mandatory new possible LIs are bisexual too, there still would be twice as many straight as homosexual options since the all straight cast of ME2 would not be changed.

its not exactly ended, if you stay faithful.  they say as much in their letters and you say as much by keeping their picture on your table and gazing at it before heading off for a suicidal assault.

no, it will not be easy to write it as new, as either straight or gay.  why?  there is no history.  with VA being romanced, there's a hostory of the relationship, of loss, of trying to move on - and failing.  if you didn't romance them - it means you told them you weren't interested and they got over shepard long before /he/she died.  the dynamic is completely different.

moreover - deaths.  variables.  people are having doubts that Bioware will manage to handle all the possible deaths and all the possible outcomes of plotlines in a satisfactory way, becasue there are just so many little differences. people are afraid that less popular characters will be relegated to cameos, as it is.

now imagine adding new romantic possibilities form old charactes to already existing multiple variables.

it can be done.  its not impossible.  but it will require more time and resources then you think.  I'd say several extra months of development at least, since you really do need to concider all who lives or dies and make sure that LI avaialbility is about equal for either gender, and that's before even attempting to make sure that same sex availability is about equal - something that they already failed to manage ( you have 2 romantic options for each shepard in ME1, but straight males get 2 girls to chose from, gay males get squat, gay females get one option and straight females get one option - its even in that its 2 options per gender, but its not even in terms of sexuality.  ME2 has NO options for same sex romance, though it still sticks to same number of options for female vs male Shepard).  they need to make sure that new players aren't punished - remember the whole ME3 is a good point to start a thrilogy?  if they add an option to pick your virmire survivor in ME3 interactive comic, they now need to adress people, who started with ME2 and didn't use save edits or preexisting imports from masseffectsaves.com, and might want to keep their ME2 imported characters (and no matter what they do with a comic, it won't be able to adress every possible variable in ME1 and ME2 - just like playstation comic didn't adress a lot of the variables, including the outcome of a story specific mission on Feros)

concider the fact that according to bioware, only a fraction of the fanbase goes for romances, only fraction of the fanbase plays custom shepard, only a fraction of a fanbase even posts here and think about it. is it worth the trouble?

edited to add - closeted homosexuality and don't ask don't tell in ME universe.. I hope to god this is not the case.  I honestly don't think it is the case. 

Modifié par jeweledleah, 23 avril 2011 - 07:08 .

[Vormaerin]

Targy90 wrote...

Best handwave ever, thanks for that.

I don't really care what they do in ME3.  I haven't romanced any of the characters in my playthroughs.  None of them appealed except Kelly Chambers (who is openly bisexual, btw) and she apparently doesn't count.

But I am tired of people arguing how it is totally out of character for this or that to happen based on the tiny fraction of the person's life and personality we've been exposed to.   You've never had a friend surprise you after years of knowing them?

Maybe I just have had a weird life.  Or maybe its just thats been a longer one than most forumites.   But Ashley "suddenly" realizing she's in love with femshep wouldn't shock me.  I've seen far bigger surprises come from people I know a heck of a lot better than Ashley.   And without several years of separation, either.

[Dazaster Dellus]

Dante Angelo wrote...

Dazaster Dellus wrote...

It is good that they haven't incorporated Homosexuality into ME series. I didn't mind it in DA because it fits. But with ME it is different. Just like most real life militaries homosexuality is forbidden in Ranks. I think ME follows along that lines which is fine by me.

No it's forbidden to be openly Homosexual or Bisexual. There's a difference

I beg to differ. Having been a soldier and having the briefs and reading the code of military conduct I know that it is forbidden. They can't ask you what your sexual preference is which is why they have the "don't ask don't tell" saying. But if it is found out that you go engage in homosexuality you can get discharged from the Army. I know this as fact as someone from my platoon used that as his out.

[Ryzaki]

You ever gonna show how Anders is proven heterosexual jewledleah? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 avril 2011 - 07:12 .

[jeweledleah]

Rizaki, I didn't say he was proven to be heterosexual. being fictional character, he can be anything writers want him to be. all I said is that he has never really shown attraction to males in Awakenings, only females. so at the very least he was shown as preferring women by a large margin.

my issues is not that they rewrote him, its how they rewrote him.


edited to add - as far as characters being expanded in general - in real life people don't fluctuate so wildly once they figure out who they are atracted to, they only fluctuate as they are figuring things out.  you can argue that ME characters haven't completely figured it out yet.  I'm personaly not seeing it, but it can be used as an argument.

however saying that they suddenly found themselves in love with Shepard, when they weren't before, is sloppy handwaving.  bioware can and should do better then that IF they chose to add that option, IF they have the resources to spend on expanding the characters in that way.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 23 avril 2011 - 07:18 .

[Maugrim]

Dazaster Dellus wrote...

Dante Angelo wrote...

Dazaster Dellus wrote...

It is good that they haven't incorporated Homosexuality into ME series. I didn't mind it in DA because it fits. But with ME it is different. Just like most real life militaries homosexuality is forbidden in Ranks. I think ME follows along that lines which is fine by me.

No it's forbidden to be openly Homosexual or Bisexual. There's a difference

I beg to differ. Having been a soldier and having the briefs and reading the code of military conduct I know that it is forbidden. They can't ask you what your sexual preference is which is why they have the "don't ask don't tell" saying. But if it is found out that you go engage in homosexuality you can get discharged from the Army. I know this as fact as someone from my platoon used that as his out.

1.) DADT is on the way out, it's just a matter of time and I'm talking months, not years.  It's been repealed, now they are just implementing that repeal.
2.) NO previously it was illegal to  be gay in the military.  Didn't matter if you never had gay sex, never talked about it etc. They key to DADT is Don't Ask, Don't Tell not  Don't Be Gay

DADT on wikipedia

ETA : Haha I didn't even know about the reservist exception, that's brilliant!

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 23 avril 2011 - 07:21 .

[Ryzaki]

jeweledleah wrote...

Rizaki, I didn't say he was proven to be heterosexual. being fictional character, he can be anything writers want him to be. all I said is that he has never really shown attraction to males in Awakenings, only females. so at the very least he was shown as preferring women by a large margin.

my issues is not that they rewrote him, its how they rewrote him.

Again how is a bisexual character (I'm not even going into the him being moody bit because I actually agree with that) being rewritten by having an attraction to both genders? 

Him flirting with a FemWarden (after she flirts with him first nontheless) doesn't preclude him from being bisexual. It never has. It never will. He doesn't reject a Male Warden. Not once. He doesn't react to being hit on by a male because he never is (and let's not even get into the awkwardness of the "not when I'm naked." comment to Nathaniel. As for the sword joke with Oghren when put into sight with the fact that templars did rape mages it's a "Dude not funny." moment than "dude I'm not gay." moment.) 

As for not showing attraction. Plenty of straight, gay and bi people if you only know them for a few months will not let you know everyone they're attracted to. Especially when it's not any of your business (like with the Warden) or it isn't revelant (which feeds into the NOYB).

His sexuality isn't retconed until you can show me where he rejects a male's advances because they're male. When you show me that you'll have a point with the "retcon" bit. Until then it's just not the case. 

edited to add - as far as characters being expanded in general - in real life people don't fluctuate so wildly once they figure out who they are atracted to, they only fluctuate as they are figuring things out. you can argue that ME characters haven't completely figured it out yet. I'm personaly not seeing it, but it can be used as an argument.

however saying that they suddenly found themselves in love with Shepard, when they weren't before, is sloppy handwaving. bioware can and should do better then that IF they chose to add that option, IF they have the resources to spend on expanding the characters in that way.

I was unaware that people weren't attracted to certain people while they were figuring things out.  Where did you get that from? To want to figure anything out in the first place you need to be attracted. 

I'm not arguing that the ME characters haven't figured it out but rather that they haven't approached Shepard. (Or were waiting for Shepard to approach them). 

Falling in love with someone who may have saved your life several times over isn't "suddenly in love." anymore than Kaidan falling in love with FemShep was sudden. As long as it's developed properly (one of the few things I felt made sense about Anders was his sexuality) it needn't matter.  

Modifié par Ryzaki, 23 avril 2011 - 07:26 .

[Vormaerin]

jeweledleah wrote...

edited to add - as far as characters being expanded in general - in real life people don't fluctuate so wildly once they figure out who they are atracted to, they only fluctuate as they are figuring things out.  you can argue that ME characters haven't completely figured it out yet.  I'm personaly not seeing it, but it can be used as an argument.

Just when are they allowed to be "figuring it out", hmmm?   I know several people who "figured it out" after years of marriage.  I'm afraid that your views are overly simplistic.    There's no magical point where a person realizes who they are and stops growing and changing.

[Chuvvy]

Michoss wrote...

Yeah, they handled it reeeeaaally well with Anders telling you about his boyfriend and hitting on you every time you select 'paragon' option.

Yeah and the options for the reply option you have.

1 I LOVE YOU!
2 YOU, ME, BED, NO CLOTHES!
3 EWWW! GAY PEOPLE!

[Dazaster Dellus]

makenzieshepard wrote...

2.) NO previously it was illegal to  be gay in the military.  Didn't matter if you never had gay sex, never talked about it etc. They key to DADT is Don't Ask, Don't Tell not  Don't Be Gay

DADT on wikipedia

ETA : Haha I didn't even know about the reservist exception, that's brilliant!

I never said that DADT had to do with being  gay. Reread my post. I said that is why the military can't ask you your sexual prefernce . They go hand in hand. You can be whatever you want as long as you don't talk about it or express it. There are plenty of gay soldiers out there but they don't talk about it and the military can't ask about it. If they do talk about it or the military finds out they can be discharged(depending on trial) under the UCMJ. That is why people (gay people especially) want to see DADT abolished. So they can freely express themselves without fear of punishment.

As far as wikipedia goes, it is not always the most reliable sourceof info  which is why it is always made fun of  because it can be edited, changed, and revised by anyone and people always except it as fact. SMH!

[jeweledleah]

Ryzaki wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

Rizaki, I didn't say he was proven to be heterosexual. being fictional character, he can be anything writers want him to be. all I said is that he has never really shown attraction to males in Awakenings, only females. so at the very least he was shown as preferring women by a large margin.

my issues is not that they rewrote him, its how they rewrote him.

Again how is a bisexual character (I'm not even going into the him being moody bit because I actually agree with that) being rewritten by having an attraction to both genders? 

Him flirting with a FemWarden (after she flirts with him first nontheless) doesn't preclude him from being bisexual. It never has. It never will. He doesn't reject a Male Warden. Not once. He doesn't react to being hit on by a male because he never is (and let's not even get into the awkwardness of the "not when I'm naked." comment to Nathaniel. As for the sword joke with Oghren when put into sight with the fact that templars did rape mages it's a "Dude not funny." moment than "dude I'm not gay." moment.) 

As for not showing attraction. Plenty of straight, gay and bi people if you only know them for a few months will not let you know everyone they're attracted to. Especially when it's not any of your business (like with the Warden) or it isn't revelant (which feeds into the NOYB).

His sexuality isn't retconed until you can show me where he rejects a male's advances because they're male. When you show me that you'll have a point with the "retcon" bit. Until then it's just not the case. 

I should have used the word expanded in terms of his sexuality, although his personality in general was rewritten which is why I used that word to describe Anders in DA2.  he wasn't expanded, he wasn't developped, he was plain rewritten.

not showing atraction in terms of ME1 characters, at least, is important.  if they are shepard sexual, why do they only show atraction to oposite sex Shepard and not the same sex?  why are they so clumsy about it and cannot help BUT reveal it, and yet somehow they manage to keep it in and be fully professional and not uneasy at all with same sex shepard?  that atraction is not there from the start, sorry. while being bisexual might not be out of character, hiding atraction is NOT in character.  so you cannot just handwave it away and say - they always were, thye were just in a closet/hid it.  if that subplot is added, it has to be done differently and it cannot use the same dynamic as pre-existing relationships.

it was bad enough with Tali. 

[Ryzaki]

Slidell505 wrote...

Michoss wrote...

Yeah, they handled it reeeeaaally well with Anders telling you about his boyfriend and hitting on you every time you select 'paragon' option.

Yeah and the options for the reply option you have.

1 I LOVE YOU!
2 YOU, ME, BED, NO CLOTHES!
3 EWWW! GAY PEOPLE!

 

Okay I agree with that there should've been a "No thanks." option. 

Though...there is no paragon in DA2. I hope people didn't mindlessly pick the diplomatic/helpful options all the time...I'm fairly certain that's not what the developers intended.