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[micdy]

Thinking of it, varric might be the real champion.
When you talk with him at the hanged man and he tell you that he tell your story to others people and embelish your exploits,  you can ask him why he is not the hero of his stories and he answer that it always sound better when he is not the hero of his stories.

and at the end of the game, when he is asked if the hero is still alive, his answer and expression in his face and voice is strange.

that make me think, maybe he is the real champion, but since he tell the stories, he make it appear like it is someone else.

this make snece? 

[Rifneno]

The theory's been tossed around before.  It has some merit.  Personally I don't think they'd go that route just because it'd infuriate a lot of fans if they went back later and said this entire game was a lie.

[whykikyouwhy]

I think that's a valid theory - it would be a nice twist.

That particular conversation in the Hanged Man made me think of Sam Gamgee. The sidekick is often more the hero than the one in the gleaming armor.

[LadyVaJedi]

It does but I dont think he is the champion per say. I think that the group that you take with are heroes as well.

[Plaintiff]

I think you're looking at it too deeply. I doubt very much that Bioware would go this route, if only for the reason Rifneno just stated.

[LadyVaJedi]

In the series of LOTR it is said that if Samwise wasn't there Frodo wouldn't have been able to reach the Mt. Doom. He is the real savior.

[Rifneno]

LadyVaJedi wrote...

In the series of LOTR it is said that if Samwise wasn't there Frodo wouldn't have been able to reach the Mt. Doom. He is the real savior.

Seems more like it was a team effort.  Neither one of them would have gotten there without the other.  Even Gollum was essential in his own way.

[_Aine_]

After 4 playthroughs, i have no freaking idea who is what anymore. All I know is I was not the champion and everyone in Kirkwall was freaking mad as a hatter! lol

I am not sure Varric is the champion though either, or what was really real. Varric seems to be intending to entertain Cassandra and that could be simply for its own sake, or designed to mislead her away from a inconvenient truth. Time will tell I think.

Varric is awesome though. one of the most real in the game (of a few).

[LadyVaJedi]

True very true Rifneno. The same thing could be said with DA:O as well. It takes teamwork to win a war and/or a battle.

[Yakko77]

LadyVaJedi wrote...

In the series of LOTR it is said that if Samwise wasn't there Frodo wouldn't have been able to reach the Mt. Doom. He is the real savior.

Absolutely this.

As for Varrick, he most certainly enabled the Champion to become Champion.  Getting you the Deep Roads expedition partnership, telling your story... it all contributed twards the Champions path, a path that would've been much different had he not been there.

[Cutlass Jack]

The Champion was always Hawke. The whole thing wasn't a lie fabricated after the fact. There were a whole room full of noble witnesses to the event that made him such, and (depending on party choice) Varric might not even been there.

But Varric certainly did embellish Hawke's reputation during the timeframe. As well as after.

[lorvincent]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

The Champion was always Hawke. The whole thing wasn't a lie fabricated after the fact. There were a whole room full of noble witnesses to the event that made him such, and (depending on party choice) Varric might not even been there.

But Varric certainly did embellish Hawke's reputation during the timeframe. As well as after.

Yep, Hawke was known and seen by too many, and was granted the title of Champion throughout Kirkwall at the time, where he held the title for the years between act 2 and 3.  All the Free Marches, and wherever else in Thedas his story spread at the time, knew him as the Champion.  Even after the events of Act 3, it is clear it is all about Hawke.

Varric was clearly there for most of it (assuming u used him), or at least knew the story better than the majority of people.  Also, given his knack for story telling, he is the perfect choice to embelish Hawke's reputation.

[Urazz]

Of course Varric is the real Champion of Kirkwall. Hawke was just some random hobo from the street he chose so he wouldn't get hounded by fans. He's happy with the arrangement since he didn't need any extra help to seduce women (With his magnificent chest hair and all) and is able to do his work unmolested. 

Modifié par Urazz, 23 avril 2011 - 04:46 .

[Paraxial]

No, I think Varric is a true bro though.

[Redneck1st]

LadyVaJedi wrote...

True very true Rifneno. The same thing could be said with DA:O as well. It takes teamwork to win a war and/or a battle.

I take it you've never done a full Solo run through of DAO?

Modifié par Redneck1st, 23 avril 2011 - 07:04 .

[TheJist]

Rifneno wrote...

The theory's been tossed around before.  It has some merit.  Personally I don't think they'd go that route just because it'd infuriate a lot of fans if they went back later and said this entire game was a lie.

For me this would be one of the best things bioware could do.

[Icy Magebane]

Redneck1st wrote...

LadyVaJedi wrote...

True very true Rifneno. The same thing could be said with DA:O as well. It takes teamwork to win a war and/or a battle.

I take it you've never done a full Solo run through of DAO?

Aww... I was going to say that.  It's true though.  You don't need any of the companions for either game... they tag along, and that's fine, but Hawke is more powerful than all of them combined.  I wouldn't call any of them necessary.

Oh, and I don't think Varric could have been the Champion.  I mean, a dwarf with a crossbow doing all the feats Hawke was responsible for?  Unless he really did lie about the entire story, and just bribed the right people to get out of every situation.  He's just not that impressive in combat to convince me.

Edited out an old typo 

Modifié par Icy Magebane, 23 avril 2011 - 05:00 .

[Lord Gremlin]

He's not actually Varric: Sandal used shapeshifting.

[The Angry One]

Let me put it this way.
Such a twist would change Varric from "irritating dwarf I dislike" to "guy I actively pin pictures of onto dartboards".

[AlexXIV]

Well Varric could give Hawke more credit than he/she deserves and play down his own role. Which could mean that Varric had a way more important role than Hawke. In theory. But if I was Hawke and Varric would get me into trouble like this I'd probably throw the murder knife after him.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 23 avril 2011 - 02:33 .

[The Angry One]

I will consider Sandal's idiotic antics about as canon as the Superman baby until BioWare force the situation down my throat.
I know it's inevitable, but I'm stubborn.

Modifié par The Angry One, 23 avril 2011 - 02:38 .

[AlexXIV]

The Angry One wrote...

I will consider Sandal's idiotic antics about as canon as the Superman baby until BioWare force the situation down my throat.
I know it's inevitable, but I'm stubborn.

I'll make you a warm milk so it is easier to swallow.

[GodLikeDevil]

The way I see it, the whole point of Varric's framed narrative was to emphasize the fact that Hawke was not Champion just because of the great feats ascribed to him, but also because of the incredible people he got to rally around him and what they accomplished.

To a certain extent, everyone on Team Hawke is a Champion. No one is a sidekick.

[kcman5]

In regards to the "Champoin" issue, no it's not Varric. Hawke earns this title persay after defeating the Arishok in single combat, over Isabella, if you chose to go that route in the game.. He still earns it even if you have the entire party fight the Arishok.