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[JeffZero]

Also, I continually emphasize: where the heck is this 'one year gap' statement coming from? Hudson told GI 'a few months', not a year...

[CroGamer002]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Food for thought:

YOU MUST DIE!

I WILL DESTROY YOU!

[JeffZero]

dreman9999 wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

yorkj86 wrote...

I'm looking forward to putting Kai Leng in the ground. Terrible character.

I hate it when people say things like this........It's like they don't know what a bad character is. A badcharacter is one that dosen't bring up any emotion and the viewer is indifferent to the characters fate. If the character dies, the viewer fells nothing. A good character gets an emotional reponse from the viewer, they have opioions on the character one way or another. It they feel something when the character dies or even want thecharacter to die, then the job or the character is done and is a good character.

Is short, if youwant to kill Kai Lang, it's because he's a horrible person and you hate him as a person, not  if he is a bad character. Saying you want to kill KaiLeng because he's a bad character is like saying you want to kill Iago from Othello because his a bad character.

Having read "Retribution," my opinion on Kai Leng is informed.  I don't like his character, and I want him dead.

Your missing the point. If you hate him, than that means he's a good character. If hate him that means that you hate him as a person.  He can't bea terrible character and be hated at the same time. If he was a bad character than you would not care for him at all, like most people don't care about Jacob.

"It'd be as well to let this one go; it's too far out of range."

I've been on the internet for long enough to see at least one person utterly loathe just about every 'universally positive' character ever made, including Gandalf, Darth Vader and Jean-Luc Picard. yorkj86 might just genuinely hate the way in which the character of Kai Leng was presented in that it rubbed them the wrong way, not in that Leng's intended reaction was formed.

[ThatDancingTurian]

dreman9999 wrote...

Your missing the point. If you hate him, than that means he's a good character.

That's not true. It all depends on if you hate him for the reasons the writer wanted you to hate him or if you hate him because of something else entirely. Only in the case of the former is the character a success.

Someone used your argument in the DA2 threads once, and I can't remember who posted it, but I found this to be an excellent rebuttal: "Bella Swan says hi."

[Big stupid jellyfish]

Mesina2 wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Food for thought:

YOU MUST DIE!

I WILL DESTROY YOU!

GO GO GO!

*ahem*

Now when I believe that Kai Leng would get enough gametime I wonder whether Aria would be somehow involved -- he killed her daughter, after all.

[Someone With Mass]

I like to think that the Reapers didn't wait a whole year with attacking the galaxy and Earth after their arrival, even if Kensen herself said that it could take them years to get to the next relay...

[KingDan97]

JeffZero wrote...

Also, I continually emphasize: where the heck is this 'one year gap' statement coming from? Hudson told GI 'a few months', not a year...

A few months after Arrival, not ME2.

[KingDan97]

didymos1120 wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...
Jack's technically not a criminal. That jail was privately owned and therefore the equivalent of a mall jail.

Uh, yeah, she is.  Did you never talk to her about her exploits?  Or did you not see the giant "WANTED" image of her displayed in LotSB?  Besides which, everyone on Purgatory was a real criminal, at least as far as being convicted of something goes.  Governments sent their worst there because they either could not or did not want to deal with them.  The extortion part was just a bonus Kuril cooked up.

No one is a known Cerberus Operative, not even the Illusive man is known. If they just change their clothes than no one will be any the wiser.

Plenty of people are.  Many of them recently got arrested.  And Jacob and Miranda definitely are known now.

I'll concede Jack, but Miranda and Jacob are not "definitely" know. They wore clothes with the logo, a logo that the average person can't even identify. Aside from that their actions against TIM, the Collectors and for the council(Galaxy) I think they could easily be exonerated. Jack could easily work her way down to an insanity defense due to her environment, if not getting off completely free.

None of the circumstances you presented are clear death sentences because in extreme situations(such as saving every the galaxy from abduction) pardons can easily be presented.

[JeffZero]

KingDan97 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Also, I continually emphasize: where the heck is this 'one year gap' statement coming from? Hudson told GI 'a few months', not a year...

A few months after Arrival, not ME2.

Well alright, but I wasn't given the impression Arrival is long enough after the Suicide Mission to add up to a full year in general.

[dreman9999]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Your missing the point. If you hate him, than that means he's a good character.

That's not true. It all depends on if you hate him for the reasons the writer wanted you to hate him or if you hate him because of something else entirely. Only in the case of the former is the character a success.

Someone used your argument in the DA2 threads once, and I can't remember who posted it, but I found this to be an excellent rebuttal: "Bella Swan says hi."

It those cases the viewer would point out how the persentation of the character is flawed. Or talk about how the character damages the plot. In those cases it's just bad writing that's the problem.
Most character dislike is as a person most times.

Modifié par dreman9999, 23 avril 2011 - 07:08 .

[KingDan97]

Big stupid jellyfish wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Food for thought:

YOU MUST DIE!

I WILL DESTROY YOU!

GO GO GO!

*ahem*

Now when I believe that Kai Leng would get enough gametime I wonder whether Aria would be somehow involved -- he killed her daughter, after all.

Only if her and Wrex finally meet and we get some clarity on whether she was the commando that wrecked him on that space station.

[KingDan97]

JeffZero wrote...

KingDan97 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Also, I continually emphasize: where the heck is this 'one year gap' statement coming from? Hudson told GI 'a few months', not a year...

A few months after Arrival, not ME2.

Well alright, but I wasn't given the impression Arrival is long enough after the Suicide Mission to add up to a full year in general.

Well, we don't technically have solid proof. It's based on Retribution being 6 months after ME2's events and Lair being some time after in general it's assumed that Retribution happened before Arrival, but it's unknown when. If we take it as:
ME2>6 months>Retribution>At least 2 months by my completely unfounded estimate>Arrival>a "few" months(that means 3 in my books)>ME3

[Leonia]

dreman9999 wrote...

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Your missing the point. If you hate him, than that means he's a good character.

That's not true. It all depends on if you hate him for the reasons the writer wanted you to hate him or if you hate him because of something else entirely. Only in the case of the former is the character a success.

Someone used your argument in the DA2 threads once, and I can't remember who posted it, but I found this to be an excellent rebuttal: "Bella Swan says hi."

It those cases the viewer would point out how the persentation of the character is flawed. Or talk about how the character damages the plot. In those cases it's just bad writing that's the problem.
Most character dislike is as a person most times.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's bad writing. Just because it doesn't conform to your idea of how things should go down doesn't make it a plot-hole. Just because you don't approve of something doesn't mean it's a retcon.

For everything else, there is fanfiction.

[MGIII]

Why give me a **** diesel musclehead? Just give me Grunt and I'll be fine on that front.

[roflchoppaz]

MGIII wrote...

Why give me a **** diesel musclehead? Just give me Grunt and I'll be fine on that front.

This. 

Y is it so hard to understand, BW? <_<

[Bluko]

Hmm let's see:

Hudson also announced that Commander Shepards built team from the second part of Mass Effect 3 has fallen apart.

Yep called that. Sersiouly what game doesn't start off with you assembling a new party? Happens in every Bioware sequel game I've played. Only reason BG: ToB didn't was because it was an expansion. Feel bad for the folks who thought ME2 was about building a permanent new team. Guess not.

Though this does raise the question what was the point of ME2? Hopefully character loyalty missions have a big impact on ME3. I mean the Collectors were nifty, but killing them didn't really help our predicament much and I almost feel Shepard would have been better off focusing on other issues to actually prepare folks for the Reaper invasion. But I digress.

A character by that which Shepard has to deal with conflict is Kai Ling, an assassin with an aversion to aliens.

So Kai Leng is going to be some sort of antagonist then? Sounds good. It's always more fun when you've got an actual rival to throw real obstacles and challenges in your path. Now I really do have to read the books.

James Sanders, a muscular man who "looks like a football player on steroids diet," says Chief.

Why is it for every good bit of news there's also got to be something that troubles me? ME3 is starting to sound way too much like Gears of War for my liking. ME2 was a pretty damn close copy-cat with the way cover worked, and the already noted addtions of "rolling" and picking up enemy weapons makes me fear ME3 will be Gears of War with powers. Also having a guy that looks a football on steroids sounds very much typical of your standard Gears of War character design.

Though if James Sanders is like Baird I won't mind too much. Now we just need to find the "Cole Train".

Modifié par Bluko, 23 avril 2011 - 07:29 .

[NICKjnp]

Kai Leng's claim to fame is he killed a Krogan in a bar brawl. Shepard takes our Krogan with his/her eyes shut.

[AngryFrozenWater]

Thanks for the information, Javier. Much appreciated.

About the guy on steroids... I am with you there. The game's lore is rich enough to provide a more interesting character than a GoW clone. It looks like another cheap trick to draw more people into the franchise. Creating a fantastic game without those tricks already does that. Try too hard and one ends up like DA2.

[Elken27]

I don't understand where people are getting the assumption that the team was gotten together to fight the Reapers. From the very start of the ME2 the goal was to take down the COLLECTORS. No one ever said anything about everyone sticking around to fight the reapers too.

I mean yeah everyone is (maybe) loyal now, but that doesn't mean they're just gonna stick around with Shep until the Reapers show up. They got together for one suicide mission. Mission Accomplished.

They now have lives outside of Shepard.

Thane has a son and is Dying.
Samara is a Justicar. (She says at one point on Omega that "After your mission" she'll come back there to do some justicaring)
Tali is a Quarian and they only split from the Fleet every so often. But she's one of the ones I see more likely sticking around.
Kasumi was hired by Cerberus. Otherwise she's a thief who has more stealing to do.
Zaeed is a hired merc. He either A) needs to go find moar moneh. Or needs to go find moar moneh and Vido.
Grunt I'm sure wants to go find himself on his homeworld. He has much Krogan-y things to learn.
Jack is a criminal who doesn't like to be tied down. She wants to go f*** s*** up. She's not gonna sit around with Shep waiting for him to give her that chance.
Mordin is oooold. For a Salarian. He's got family, and other scientific endeavors to pursue.
Garrus probably has nothing better to do and I think he's confirmed as a solid Party member so woot.
Miranda and Jacob have a lot of ties to Cerberus. So either they're still working for TIM or are running from TIM.
Legion probably has other Geth stuff to do or is still with Shep, or has to hide.

And moar immediately, Shepard is going to Earth to answer for events in Arrival. Rather than drag everyone there why not just let them be off, and he'll catch up when the Reapers arrive. Oh snap here they come.

[Irrepressible]

The-Person wrote...

MadCat221 wrote...

Overly muscled James Sanders?

Gears of War called, they want Marcus Fenix back.  <_<

They could be exagerrating,.

Must just be me who likes the idea of a human character which does not have exactly the same body size in the game?

[armass]

NICKjnp wrote...

Kai Leng's claim to fame is he killed a Krogan in a bar brawl. Shepard takes our Krogan with his/her eyes shut.

Killed a krogan in bar fight...pfff. Shepard went bare fist on a yahg.

[Irrepressible]

armass wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

Kai Leng's claim to fame is he killed a Krogan in a bar brawl. Shepard takes our Krogan with his/her eyes shut.

Killed a krogan in bar fight...pfff. Shepard went bare fist on a yahg.

Which Liara ultimately killed, thus not exactly valid. 

[MGIII]

As far as the team falling apart, that was kind of obvious. Mordin is going to the salarian homeworld to deal with the genophage dispute, Tali is definitely going back to the flotilla, Samara is a vagabond by trade and has no duty to Shepard any longer, and Zaeed and Kasumi don't even really count. They can make up any ol' thing they want for the rest.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I just hope that the fight with Kai isn't another pew-pew gunfight. We need one decent hand-to-hand fight in the trilogy, BioWare.

[armass]

Irrepressible wrote...

armass wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

Kai Leng's claim to fame is he killed a Krogan in a bar brawl. Shepard takes our Krogan with his/her eyes shut.

Killed a krogan in bar fight...pfff. Shepard went bare fist on a yahg.

Which Liara ultimately killed, thus not exactly valid. 

Still gotta admire his guts.