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So, if Shepard rejects his or her spectre status...

[Mykel54]

jshadow wrote...

I think the Ashley/Kaidan comment about being Spectrs is just full of hot air.
As far as I know:

1. Shepherd is the only human Spectr in existance
2. The Citadel council is the only organisation who's capable of giving you official Spectr status
3. To get the spectr status, you need to do something remarkable to be accepted

Point #1 is that Shepherd being the only human specter is what makes him all the more unique.
Point #2 I can't imagin Council starting to just give the Spectr title away like candy; now if we were talking from a point of view where Shapherd let the council die and it's replaced by council ran by humans, than it's be possible.
Point #3 being connected with #2, I could see Kaidan comming in, but not Ashly, especially not with her anit-alien attitude going on.

This is so wrong.

1. Shepard is the first human spectre (and most famous, as Vasir point out), not the only in existance. In the two year interval after ME1, other human spectres were created, even if you don´t know them.
2. Obviously
3. Therefore, Kaidan/Ashley did something to gain the attention of the council. What was it? We don´t know yet, but certainly it was not "being there with commander shepard when saving the citadel". The reason is obvious: In ME2 ashely and kaidan are not spectres. The conclusion is that betwen Horizon and ME3, Ashley/Kaidan did something remarkable that inspired the council to make them spectres.

[corporal doody]

Im positive Ash/Kaidan arent the only two humans in the ME universe. IM positive there are more qualified individuals than Ash/Kaidan that can be spectres.

Modifié par corporal doody, 24 avril 2011 - 03:07 .

[Ibanez2009]

I do not like the thought working together with a person who spat on Shepard's name on Horizon. NO ONE makes Shepard look like a traitor. I hope there is an optiopn to make Kaidan (left Ashley to die on Virmire) suffer and then to give him the chance to clear his name and redeem himself!

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

GodWood wrote...

marshalleck wrote...
A couple failures on Shepard's part wouldn't hurt, to reduce him/her from demigod status. 

This x1000000

One reason why not everyone makes it out of the SM in my ME2 runs. 

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Edge2177 wrote...

Maybe when John had sex with her, he put a little Spectre in her. Har har.

/thread. lol!

[xxSgt_Reed_24xx]

Pups_of_war_76 wrote...

Zatwu wrote...

Now this is not meant to insult Ashley or anything, she's really good at fighting. But given the kind of things the Spectre's have to di I get the impression that there are a lot of logistics they need to be able to handle, and Ash has never demonstrated an ability for that. I can see her getting promoted pretty high, like I said she's a great soldier. She just dosn't seem subtle enough for a secret agent.

Hey, did I miss the part of the game in which Shepard was subtle?

or logistically or diplomatically adept?

Shepard is good at killin', fightin and - if we believe the expository writing - leadin'. 

Ashley is good at killin' and fightin'.

Ashley might be good at leadin'. We don't know for sure because we don't really get to see her attempt it.

If Ashley turns out to be good at leadin', then she is as qualified as Shepard. Even if she doesn't, she's still two-thirds as qualified as Shepard. What is the issue?

Well, actually at some point in ME1 it's mentioned that she was made the head of her unit in some type of training drills and that the soldiers under her command said she was, "tough but fair" .... so she may well be good at "leadin." 

Besides, one doesn't need to be a good leader to be a spectre... they often work alone anyway. Some even prefer it, like Nihlus, "I move faster on my own."

And for all you people out there who swear she is a xenophobe (which she is not) .... that shouldn't turn you off the idea of her being a spectre... seeing as how Saren HATED all humans and still worked for the council as a spectre.  

[ByakuShiki]

I would have preferred an encounter and a "co-op mission" with a cool human spectre that is not Ashley or Kaiden and ideally if we are given the choice of the spectre's gender.
Maybe having the female guest Spectre being all finesse and the male one taking a more heads on approach (Rambo style) or vice-versa
I am kind of wondering what Ash and Kaiden did to deserve such promotion maybe the Reaper invasion prompted the Alliance to push for more human Spectres and the council just agreed to it and Ashley and Kaiden having worked under a Spectre are the most experienced for the spot.

[corporal doody]

with the importance being a human spectre was in the first game, there better be a significant part of ME3 allotted to VS for becoming spectres. finding out how (if it were to happen) they became spectres through some short dialogue would cheapen things as far as spectres go. In ME1, becoming a spectre took up the 1st act....but the entire story revolved around Shep being one...rather a majority of things couldnt have happened if Shep wasnt a spectre. Somewhere within a two year+ period a crew member was made a spectre?...with Shep's (YOUR) status being reinstated on condition that the original council survived and you agreed to a conciliatory reinstatement given with zero enthusiasm. To have one of your teammates given the title (considering the disbanding of the Normandy crew, the cover-up of the true events, and the BS conversations/reactions with VS on Horizon) then being told you had to work with them WOULD BE A SLAP IN THE FACE.  It would create a great many uncomfortable moments.

edit...adding before someone says..but being a spectre wasnt all that important in ME2...well alot of stuff significant in ME1 wasnt significant in ME2....but WILL play a role in ME3. 

Modifié par corporal doody, 24 avril 2011 - 05:42 .

[Mr.Fable]

Terror_K wrote...
I don't think it's the xenophobia personally, but I don't think she would look beyond humanity too much and see the big picture. She'd always put the Alliance first, even when it wouldn't be the best option. I'm well aware Shepard him/herself can be even more pro-human and even outright racist, but that's really up to the player, and Shepard has always had that X-factor that the other companions don't.

I get what you mean, but the problem here is that ME 1 allows you to change her views and she does start seeing the big picture. Sadly I doubt dialoge choices make that much of a difference, especially after seeing what they did to Garrus. You could convince him to be by the books or more like a cowboy cop but it makes no differnce, he always has a gang on Omega.

[Praetor Knight]

xxSgt_Reed_24xx wrote...

GodWood wrote...

marshalleck wrote...
A couple failures on Shepard's part wouldn't hurt, to reduce him/her from demigod status. 

This x1000000

One reason why not everyone makes it out of the SM in my ME2 runs. 

Since Shepard's reputation hinges more on Galactic Perception, I don't think that losing squad members in the SM takes Shep down any notches.

But Arrival and the LotSB fallout from the bombing and Spectre killing, seem better candidates to do so.

[corporal doody]

the lotsb spectre kill can be cleared with some reliable evidence given by a "anonymous" source. but yeah..the whole hundreds of thousands of lives thing...ewww. so what..shep a fugitive throughout ME3? till he/she is vindicated at the end?

Modifié par corporal doody, 24 avril 2011 - 06:34 .

[corporal doody]

wait....if the alliance got the normandy...wouldnt info stored in memory (assuming edi didnt seal it up) be enuff to answer the reasons why? im sure..with how shady they have been...the alliance will disavow it..cuz the trial is gonna be a show trial,,,a shep is the main attraction.

[stevecallas]

Regarding rejecting any attempt by the VS to work with you again, I really hope Bioware one ups the Renegade options in ME3. You've saved the galaxy once and stopped the reapers from harvesting humans - now the galaxy is under attack again - I see no time for pleasantries. Either you are on my side or you are an obstacle I don't have time for. Not just for the VS, but throughout the game.

VS should have to regain your respect, not vice versa.

Modifié par stevecallas, 24 avril 2011 - 07:40 .

[Ibanez2009]

I feel the same way. When I will start with my Renegade Shepard, I will be really mean to Kaidan. He has to regain my respect. If not.. well.. I'll leave him to rot

[Bolboreta]

I'm starting to think about Saren. Maybe the VS has been chosen to pursue a renegade Shepard. Maybe the council thinks as Shepard as another Saren and the VS is the best choice to find her/him. Or maybe I'm rambling

[Ibanez2009]

IF this happens to be true... then it will be a pleasure for me to feed Kaidan to the Thresher Maws

[Mr.Fable]

Bolboreta wrote...

I'm starting to think about Saren. Maybe the VS has been chosen to pursue a renegade Shepard. Maybe the council thinks as Shepard as another Saren and the VS is the best choice to find her/him. Or maybe I'm rambling

If that was the case it would be extremely stupid of the Council to send someone that has a connection to Shepard like the VS. Would make way more sense to send an operative that had no ties to Shepard in any way.

Or the could just said Conrad Verner. He'd do a splended job. 

Modifié par Mr.Fable, 25 avril 2011 - 05:28 .

[ObserverStatus]

I don't think she's unqualified, I just think Garrus and Jacob would be better.

[jakal66]

After the **** they pulled in Horizon...no no no...I even liked them less...plus I adhere to the idea of having Garrus as a spectre----

[WillardH]

We saw Kaiden/Ashley for about 5 minutes in ME2. Let's say that the game takes up about a few months or so. Add the 2 years when Shepard was nothing but meat and tubes, and there is plenty of time for K/A to do something spectacular that would grant them Spectre status. I am sure it will all be explained in ME3, so I will patiently wait until then.

[Elite Midget]

corporal doody wrote...

Im positive Ash/Kaidan arent the only two humans in the ME universe. IM positive there are more qualified individuals than Ash/Kaidan that can be spectres.

Name one.

[Soahfreako]

Yeah I think them becoming spectres is completely retarded. What did they do other than be Shepard's crewmates. What COULD they have done during the time Shepard was dead? So confusing.

[corporal doody]

Elite Midget wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

Im positive Ash/Kaidan arent the only two humans in the ME universe. IM positive there are more qualified individuals than Ash/Kaidan that can be spectres.

Name one.

How about a character from Nebraska named Albert T. Pennywinkle.  THE POINT is...the Mass Effect Universe is big where they dont have to use a familiar characters to fill a role. The writers at Bioware are good enuff to pull something creative and believable enuff.

Like watching Star Wars the Clone Wars the animated series....STAR WARS universe IS HUGE!! but why they keep having characters from the movies set 20+years later? I mean i thought the cameo by Chewie in Episode III was lame..but in the series? FOR REAL? the only reason they would do it is for name recognition. even worse....Anakin built C3PO but doesnt pay no mind to it as Darth? sign of bad writing imho. BW is better than that!