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[RAF1940]

Clonedzero wrote...

Antivenger wrote...

Shepard was saying that the galaxy was going to be attacked by a race of sentient robots who lived outside of the galaxy, and had no proof. That's like a hobo on the street yelling out "The world is endin' ta morrow!". Even then, they still sent him after Saren, both to try stopping him and to placate the Alliance. What makes it so hard to believe that they would make the VS a SpecTRe so they themselves could investigate the missing colonists? This time with having a human councillor to back them up, even.

they arent a spectre in ME2, they are in ME3 which is awhile after the events of ME2.

in ME2 they're just a high ranked alliance officer.

also more reasons they'd be a spectre. their files are heavily classified to TIM. and you gotta be doing some pretty important stuff for TIM not to be able to find out.

"A while after ME2".

I thought it was just a few months later with Shepard on Earth facing trial for Arrival.

[didymos1120]

Someone With Mass wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...
Uh, yeah, well TIM also claimed Liara was working for the Broker, which he knew wasn't true.  He also somehow managed to learn Ash/Kaidan had been sent to Horizon despite their files being "surprisingly well classified."  And if you notice, he never actually says he wasn't able to get ahold of their files. He merely says they're classified.

Well, that's The Incompetent Man for ya.

No, that's not incompetence.  It's TIM being manipulative by making it seem like the most viable option is to recruit the people he wants you to recruit.

[Someone With Mass]

Yeah, what did Kaidan do that was so noticeable on Eden Prime while being under Shepard's command?

[Ramirez Wolfen]

@didymos1120 Yes, but they weren't the focus.

[Someone With Mass]

didymos1120 wrote...
No, that's not incompetence.  It's TIM being manipulative by making it seem like the most viable option is to recruit the people he wants you to recruit.

And it makes him look like a total tool when I know he's just pulling it all right out of his ass.

[nelly21]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

How is that silly? It's stated that they were paying attention to Shepard. Nihlus was there to monitor Shepard, not Ashley or Kaidan, as they weren't being considered.

So because he monitors Shepard, he can't name Williams and Alenko in his report? Nihlus wants people who get the job done. Ash and Kaiden get the job done.

What is he going to do, white-out their names on the report?

Modifié par nelly21, 25 avril 2011 - 03:52 .

[lolwut666]

The Council only paid attention to Shepard because just getting them to consider the idea of giving Spectre status to a human was already hard enough, so it seems logical to me that the Alliance would try to promote their best soldier - Shepard.

Now that humanity has a spot on the Council, they have as much right to nominate Spectre candidates as the other species, so the odds for Ash, Kaidan and whoever else to become a Spectre are a lot higher.

[Clonedzero]

JayhartRIC wrote...

Them "holding the line" on Virmire would also be a notable accomplishment. People keep trying to compare the VS to what Shepard has done now when they should be comparing them to what Shepard had done by the time he became a Spectre.

yeah exactly. i really cant point that out enough. my shepards big claim to fame was NOT DYING TO A THRESHER MAW. thats not really that awesome really.

actually everyone seemed alittle concerned my shepard might have mental issues due to his backround (colonist / sole surivior)

[RAF1940]

nelly21 wrote...

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

How is that silly? It's stated that they were paying attention to Shepard. Nihlus was there to monitor Shepard, not Ashley or Kaidan, as they weren't being considered.

So because he monitors Shepard, he can't name Williams and Alenko in his report? Nihlus wants people who get the job done. Ash and Kaiden get the job done.

What is he going to do, white-out their names on the report?

The argument is that Kaidan/Ashley didn't really do anything except get the beacon destroyed.

[Antivenger]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

How is that silly? It's stated that they were paying attention to Shepard. Nihlus was there to monitor Shepard, not Ashley or Kaidan, as they weren't being considered.

I don't follow. Isn't Nihlus dead before Ashley is found and Shepard already made a Spectre a day after that? The contributions they have made are still recognised, they only send a SpecTRe to monitor a possible candidate when they are actually being considered, which could have happened somewhen in ME2 or ME3.

EDIT: Nihlus dies after finding Ashley, but Nihlus dies before meeting her. Thanks, 1940.

Modifié par Antivenger, 25 avril 2011 - 04:01 .

[RAF1940]

I think you find Ashley before Saren kills Nihlus, but I may be wrong.

[Clonedzero]

lolwut666 wrote...

The Council only paid attention to Shepard because just getting them to consider the idea of giving Spectre status to a human was already hard enough, so it seems logical to me that the Alliance would try to promote their best soldier - Shepard.

Now that humanity has a spot on the Council, they have as much right to nominate Spectre candidates as the other species, so the odds for Ash, Kaidan and whoever else to become a Spectre are a lot higher.

exactly

i highly doubt the council reads all sorts of reports. the ones they do read are reports from their spectres. all those reports shepard handed in throughout all of ME1 saying ashley and kaidan were doing great jobs probably caught the councils attention. shepard writes the report for virmire...

"oh, shepard notes that chief williams successfully defended a point with only a small band of salraians against waves of geth and krogan attacks? we'll have to keep an eye on her"

[Antivenger]

Clonedzero wrote...

JayhartRIC wrote...

Them "holding the line" on Virmire would also be a notable accomplishment. People keep trying to compare the VS to what Shepard has done now when they should be comparing them to what Shepard had done by the time he became a Spectre.

yeah exactly. i really cant point that out enough. my shepards big claim to fame was NOT DYING TO A THRESHER MAW. thats not really that awesome really.

actually everyone seemed alittle concerned my shepard might have mental issues due to his backround (colonist / sole surivior)

Yeah, that is confusing. My Shepard is a spacer and sole survivour. So, military background and not dying. A lot of other people have that! Maybe he's the best candidate as he is already a trustworthy Lieutenant Commander? An OC War Hero would have been promoted to Admiral by that time, desk work and all and an OC Ruthless would have been put in an Asylum or been thrown in Jail.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

@Antivenger

It could have, but we don't know that.

[RAF1940]

lolwut666 wrote...

The Council only paid attention to Shepard because just getting them to consider the idea of giving Spectre status to a human was already hard enough, so it seems logical to me that the Alliance would try to promote their best soldier - Shepard.

Now that humanity has a spot on the Council, they have as much right to nominate Spectre candidates as the other species, so the odds for Ash, Kaidan and whoever else to become a Spectre are a lot higher.

This is a very good point -- one I hadn't considered.

[lolwut666]

Why would a Ruthless Shepard be thrown in jail?

The attack on Torfan was a retaliation to the batarians' attack on Asylum. The point was to defeat the batarians, and Shepard did that. Maybe he went too far, but he won that battle almost single-handedly. There's even a Shepard memorial flame there and everything (only the batarians don't like it).

Defending Asylum and conquering Torfan were both great achievements, but more than just achievements, Shepard also graduated from the N7 Academy with the best grades in ages, if I'm not mistaken. That's why he is Spectre material.

Kaidan and Ashley's accomplishments weren't as impressive, but now they have such things as stopping Saren, defeating the geth in Freedom's Progress, saving Feros, etc. on their curriculum, which greatly increases their chances of being Spectre nominees.

[Clonedzero]

RAF1940 wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

Antivenger wrote...

Shepard was saying that the galaxy was going to be attacked by a race of sentient robots who lived outside of the galaxy, and had no proof. That's like a hobo on the street yelling out "The world is endin' ta morrow!". Even then, they still sent him after Saren, both to try stopping him and to placate the Alliance. What makes it so hard to believe that they would make the VS a SpecTRe so they themselves could investigate the missing colonists? This time with having a human councillor to back them up, even.

they arent a spectre in ME2, they are in ME3 which is awhile after the events of ME2.

in ME2 they're just a high ranked alliance officer.

also more reasons they'd be a spectre. their files are heavily classified to TIM. and you gotta be doing some pretty important stuff for TIM not to be able to find out.

"A while after ME2".

I thought it was just a few months later with Shepard on Earth facing trial for Arrival.

all of ME1 takes place over a couple months.
all of ME2 takes place over a couple months.

you can do alot in a couple months.

[Antivenger]

lolwut666 wrote...

Why would a Ruthless Shepard be thrown in jail?

The attack on Torfan was a retaliation to the batarians' attack on Asylum. The point was to defeat the batarians, and Shepard did that. Maybe he went too far, but he won that battle almost single-handedly. There's even a Shepard memorial flame there and everything (only the batarians don't like it).

Defending Asylum and conquering Torfan were both great achievements, but more than just achievements, Shepard also graduated from the N7 Academy with the best grades in ages, if I'm not mistaken. That's why he is Spectre material.

Kaidan and Ashley's accomplishments weren't as impressive, but now they have such things as stopping Saren, defeating the geth in Freedom's Progress, saving Feros, etc. on their curriculum, which greatly increases their chances of being Spectre nominees.

I don't mean Ruthless Shepard, I meant an OC. No matter what background you choose, the other background events still happen. I like to think (although it's never been stated whether canon or not) that each of the other backgrounds have their own "characters".

Maybe in ME3 we'll get to meet those other characters. Someone should start a thread about it. NOT GONNA BE ME.

[Someone With Mass]

There's a listening post on Nepmos, where a whole platoon held their ground against waves of rachni for days until there was just three of them left, and they barely had any ammo and they suffered from exhaustion when Shepard arrived.

Should we nominate some of them to become Spectres too?

[Clonedzero]

lolwut666 wrote...

Why would a Ruthless Shepard be thrown in jail?

The attack on Torfan was a retaliation to the batarians' attack on Asylum. The point was to defeat the batarians, and Shepard did that. Maybe he went too far, but he won that battle almost single-handedly. There's even a Shepard memorial flame there and everything (only the batarians don't like it).

Defending Asylum and conquering Torfan were both great achievements, but more than just achievements, Shepard also graduated from the N7 Academy with the best grades in ages, if I'm not mistaken. That's why he is Spectre material.

Kaidan and Ashley's accomplishments weren't as impressive, but now they have such things as stopping Saren, defeating the geth in Freedom's Progress, saving Feros, etc. on their curriculum, which greatly increases their chances of being Spectre nominees.

well also, its said that kaidan already has over a dozen medals before ME1 starts.

and ashley apparently has absolutely brilliant technical scores and grades and she's held back because her family was blacklisted by the alliance military due to her grandfather screwing the pooch.

[Clonedzero]

Someone With Mass wrote...

There's a listening post on Nepmos, where a whole platoon held their ground against waves of rachni for days until there was just three of them left, and they barely had any ammo and they suffered from exhaustion when Shepard arrived.

Should we nominate some of them to become Spectres too?

straw man.

[Akizora]

Clonedzero wrote...

Akizora wrote...

If Ash is a Spectre I sincerely hope that does not force her into my game so I don't have any say in whether or not I want her on my ship. I certainly won't be taking orders from her after her xenophobia in ME1 and her shortsightedness in ME2.

if ME1 and ME2 has taught me anything about shepard is he doesnt follow orders.
still one of the most satisfying things to do is to hang up on the council in ME1 during the debriefings

Well in ME2 I never had a choice, my Shepard blindly followed orders from TIM and only whined occasionally. It wasn't until the very end I got to defy him. If ME3 repeats it but with Ash/Kaid in charge, sending me to various places like my boss and my Shepard just grudgingly goes along with it - I will be a very unhappy camper.

[RAF1940]

Akizora wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

Akizora wrote...

If Ash is a Spectre I sincerely hope that does not force her into my game so I don't have any say in whether or not I want her on my ship. I certainly won't be taking orders from her after her xenophobia in ME1 and her shortsightedness in ME2.

if ME1 and ME2 has taught me anything about shepard is he doesnt follow orders.
still one of the most satisfying things to do is to hang up on the council in ME1 during the debriefings

Well in ME2 I never had a choice, my Shepard blindly followed orders from TIM and only whined occasionally. It wasn't until the very end I got to defy him. If ME3 repeats it but with Ash/Kaid in charge, sending me to various places like my boss and my Shepard just grudgingly goes along with it - I will be a very unhappy camper.

Same. I hated working with TIM.

[Antivenger]

Clonedzero wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

There's a listening post on Nepmos, where a whole platoon held their ground against waves of rachni for days until there was just three of them left, and they barely had any ammo and they suffered from exhaustion when Shepard arrived.

Should we nominate some of them to become Spectres too?

straw man.

Yeah, what basis does that have?

[Foehunter82]

didymos1120 wrote...

atheelogos wrote...

Where did you get the idea that Spectres are secret agents or subtle?!! Their names are not classified, and Spectres usually go in guns blazing. Hell even the Councilor said this in the first game "spectres often attract a lot of attention."

Some of their names aren't.  But not all of them are known.  Both high- and low- profile Spectres have their uses.  For obvious reasons, the devs decided Shep would be the high-profile sort.

That would make sense, actually.  Consider that the Alliance and the Council may have decided that Shepard was too high-profile to be an effective Spectre in certain circumstances.  As a result, Ash/Kaidan were selected to be a lower-profile Spectre to act as a partner for Shepard.  In this way, the VS is a low-key Spectre assigned to act on behalf of Shepard so that Shepard doesn't draw unwanted attention.  Couple this with the events of The Arrival, and you have even more reason why the VS would need to be a Spectre, if only to prevent any misadventures with Shepard.