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[Urdnot Orrad]

didymos1120 wrote...

Manic Sheep wrote...

Zatwu wrote...

Survivor and Ruthless Shepard still demonstrate a bit of brilliance on Eden Prime and finding proof of Saren's guilt.

A lot can change sure but it didn't seem to have changed by ME2, from what we got to see anyway.

You were being looked at to be a spectre BEFORE Eden Prime (and was that even really meant to be impressive?) and both Ash and Kaidan were involved in that too. You didn't exactly see allot of them in ME2.

That's a really strange objection to make too, considering that after the Prologue, what we did see was them on an actually rather Spectre-like assignment: a covert, solo operation in the Terminus, ostensibly to install colony defenses as part of an Alliance outreach program, but in truth to investigate rumors of Cerberus' involvement in the colony abductions.

Yup. And also, Shepard being the first human Spectre, an elite operative and the right-hand of the Council... that's not an impressive feat for humanity?

[roflchoppaz]

Garrus was supposed to be my Spectre-bro, not the annoying VS. >_>

Hype level lowered by 25%.

[Manic Sheep]

Oh also I think it says in the codex somewhere that spectres aren’t necessarily your typical secret agent type. Some spectres are diplomats, some are assassin. They don’t all operate the same way or fill the same roles. Some are secretive; some have their face plastered all over the news (like Shepard). Being "subtle" is not necessarily a requirement. They just seem to be exceptional individuals who the council has decided to hand authority and  a “get out of Jail free” card too, so they could go about their business and protect galactic stability without those pesky laws getting in the way.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 23 avril 2011 - 07:08 .

[ThatDancingTurian]

I feel like it'll be a PR move if anything, the Alliance needs someone in their corner what with Shepard dying, then showing up again only to work with Cerberus, and finally the Arrival thing. Shepard's not really the shining paragon of human virtue that looks good on a cereal box anymore.

So Udina/Anderson suggests the VS for Spectre candidacy.

If this is the case, it just makes it all the more insulting to Shepard who actually earned it, IMO.

[didymos1120]

roflchoppaz wrote...

Garrus was supposed to be my Spectre-bro, not the annoying VS. >_>

Hype level lowered by 25%.

How low does it have to get before ME is RUINED FOREVER?

[Manic Sheep]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

I feel like it'll be a PR move if anything, the Alliance needs someone in their corner what with Shepard dying, then showing up again only to work with Cerberus, and finally the Arrival thing. Shepard's not really the shining paragon of human virtue that looks good on a cereal box anymore.

So Udina/Anderson suggests the VS for Spectre candidacy.

If this is the case, it just makes it all the more insulting to Shepard who actually earned it, IMO.

In case you forgot, Shepard was promoted to being a Spectre for political reasons and what makes you think they haven’t “earned” it anymore than Shepard had at the start of ME1?

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 23 avril 2011 - 07:01 .

[roflchoppaz]

didymos1120 wrote...

roflchoppaz wrote...

Garrus was supposed to be my Spectre-bro, not the annoying VS. >_>

Hype level lowered by 25%.

How low does it have to get before ME is RUINED FOREVER?

Very low, for me. -50%, I'm thinking.

I'm just... disappointed. But not disappointed enough to scream RUINED FOREVER and rage all over the ME forums. 

[didymos1120]

roflchoppaz wrote...
Very low, for me. -50%, I'm thinking.

I'm just... disappointed. But not disappointed enough to scream RUINED FOREVER and rage all over the ME forums. 

Fair enough.  I was just getting that vibe, but then my perceptions have been skewed somewhat by BSN.

[Krimson_Wolf]

well i say good for her. It looks like the Alliance is finally over her name and have given her a real shot at something.

[BS Veyron]

In case some of you forgot both Udina and Anderson were both heavy on the whole Human Specter thing. Both Ash and Kaiden are capable soldiers involved in taking down Saren and Sovereign. They were assigned a top secret assignment and who knows what else in between ME1, ME2, and ME3.

[MGIII]

I could see the VS being some kind of double-agent or force employed by the Council to take Shepard out, but his charisma and their history make things tricky. Because the friend-turned-enemy dynamic never gets old, apparently.

[armass]

If this is true, i dont really like it, cause there goes Shepards uniqueness as the only human spectre. I mean do we really need another human spectre on the team and this soon?

[ANdrewJ]

Of cource she is a spectre, alliace need a loyal pawn to please politics and keep Anderson in the councilors.
You still have authorities on earth that needed to be pleased to keep them in LINE.

Although it is formal, paper "replacement" of us, and promoting loyal to anderson agent to carry out orders and assignments.

Ashley is:
space n.a.z.i. that realy to kill aliens in a heartbeat, loyal to the alliance dog and her breasts got promoted too (and perhaps promoting still), have nice combat skills, not to mention Saren chase.

Overall nice candidate, but not perfect one - he is some kind of Saren - hates everything but his kind, ready to blow up refineries with aliens with even less thinking that Saren do.
("Some asari mumbo-jumbo", "should we let aliens walk everywhere", "stuck in heavy armor with big gun (and get raped by AP round/rocket)")

[JeffZero]

MGIII wrote...

I could see the VS being some kind of double-agent or force employed by the Council to take Shepard out, but his charisma and their history make things tricky. Because the friend-turned-enemy dynamic never gets old, apparently.

This is a fun idea, especially for those who have the VS as their LI. Unfortunately, I'd imagine many of them would hate it.

[MGIII]

JeffZero wrote...

MGIII wrote...

I could see the VS being some kind of double-agent or force employed by the Council to take Shepard out, but his charisma and their history make things tricky. Because the friend-turned-enemy dynamic never gets old, apparently.

This is a fun idea, especially for those who have the VS as their LI. Unfortunately, I'd imagine many of them would hate it.

It would make sense. You find out about their betrayal, you can either redeem them, or kill them. Very big, emotional, potential in that situation.

I mean why else would they deign to believe the VS is good enough to be a Spectre? They are so inferior to Shepard, it's laughable. It must be because they could get close to Shep.

But, eh, not holding my breath for that.

[ANdrewJ]

JeffZero wrote...

MGIII wrote...

I could see the VS being some kind of double-agent or force employed by the Council to take Shepard out, but his charisma and their history make things tricky. Because the friend-turned-enemy dynamic never gets old, apparently.

This is a fun idea, especially for those who have the VS as their LI. Unfortunately, I'd imagine many of them would hate it.

That is a sl.*.t  Miranda part ("Go Cerberus!") so she is most likely betray everyone and go to cerberus. 
And in those two may clash for right to be reaper dolls, the best betrayer on the citadel or Mrs. Jack Haper(Kai Leng)
№ 92463...

Modifié par ANdrewJ, 23 avril 2011 - 07:43 .

[didymos1120]

armass wrote...

If this is true, i dont really like it, cause there goes Shepards uniqueness as the only human spectre. I mean do we really need another human spectre on the team and this soon?

Honestly, I find this attitude a little silly.  It make no sense for Shepard to be the only human Spectre indefinitely, and this concern over Shep's "uniqueness" strikes me as a bit of "But I'M the most specialest.  ME!" territorialism.  In any case, regardless of your council choice in ME1, humanity is pushing for more Spectres.  If you went renegade, the "Rise of the Alliance" Codex says people expect this to happen.  For either Council version, if you get reinstated and tell the watchlisted asari you're a Spectre, she'll mention she's heard more humans have been getting put forward for the Spectres.

[didymos1120]

BS Veyron wrote...

In case some of you forgot both Udina and Anderson were both heavy on the whole Human Specter thing. 

Yeah, the whole point was that you were basically being used as humanity's foot in the door.  Instead you ended up blowing the damn thing off the hinges.  More human Spectres are a given.  It's actually a bit strange there wasn't one already by the time of ME2.

[Manic Sheep]

didymos1120 wrote...

BS Veyron wrote...

In case some of you forgot both Udina and Anderson were both heavy on the whole Human Specter thing.

Yeah, the whole point was that you were basically being used as humanity's foot in the door. Instead you ended up blowing the damn thing off the hinges. More human Spectres are a given. It's actually a bit strange there wasn't one already by the time of ME2.

Hmmm maybe there are but we just didn't see them?

[armass]

didymos1120 wrote...

armass wrote...

If this is true, i dont really like it, cause there goes Shepards uniqueness as the only human spectre. I mean do we really need another human spectre on the team and this soon?

Honestly, I find this attitude a little silly.  It make no sense for Shepard to be the only human Spectre indefinitely, and this concern over Shep's "uniqueness" strikes me as a bit of "But I'M the most specialest.  ME!" territorialism.  In any case, regardless of your council choice in ME1, humanity is pushing for more Spectres.  If you went renegade, the "Rise of the Alliance" Codex says people expect this to happen.  For either Council version, if you get reinstated and tell the watchlisted asari you're a Spectre, she'll mention she's heard more humans have been getting put forward for the Spectres.

Well it just feels like some of the uniqueness has left Shepard now when another human spectre turns up.

Well obviously there was going to be another human spectre at some point, but the VS? And this soon? Just feels kinda strange since weve only seen 3 spectres in the whole saga so far: Shepard, Saren and Vasir.

Modifié par armass, 23 avril 2011 - 08:02 .

[Manic Sheep]

armass wrote...

didymos1120 wrote...

armass wrote...

If this is true, i dont really like it, cause there goes Shepards uniqueness as the only human spectre. I mean do we really need another human spectre on the team and this soon?

Honestly, I find this attitude a little silly. It make no sense for Shepard to be the only human Spectre indefinitely, and this concern over Shep's "uniqueness" strikes me as a bit of "But I'M the most specialest. ME!" territorialism. In any case, regardless of your council choice in ME1, humanity is pushing for more Spectres. If you went renegade, the "Rise of the Alliance" Codex says people expect this to happen. For either Council version, if you get reinstated and tell the watchlisted asari you're a Spectre, she'll mention she's heard more humans have been getting put forward for the Spectres.

Well it just feels like some of the uniqueness has left Shepard now when another human spectre turns up.

Well obviously there was going to be another human spectre at some point, but the VS? And this soon? Just feels kinda strange since weve only seen 3 spectres in the whole saga so far: Shepard, Saren and Vasir.

We have only seen 4 (Nihlus), but there are far more than that and really...Shepard is already the "most famous human in the galaxy" and has a fan following from whatever background you picked, the first human spectre, died and came back to life, has the cipher and is able to understand prothean and is the "best hope for humanity" .Do you really need to be the only human spectre for the course of the games too? Shepard is plenty unique.
You have been dead for two years, it’s not really that soon.

Modifié par Manic Sheep, 23 avril 2011 - 08:19 .

[JoeClose]

Unless Ashley has cleaned up her attitude problem, I seriously don't see how she could be an effective Spectre and take orders from the Citadel Council. She's a xenophobe.

Modifié par JoeClose, 23 avril 2011 - 08:18 .

[GodWood]

JoeClose wrote...
Unless Ashley has cleaned up her attitude problem, I seriously don't see how she could be an effective Spectre and take orders from the Citadel Council. She's a xenophobe.

-sigh-

1/ She's not a xenophobe
2/ Shepard can be played as a xenophobe

[Bluko]

I admit Kaidan is probably more suited to be a Spectre (Tech/Biotics) and a trained N7 Officer I believe as well. Also Kaidan's a bit more knowledgable about Alien species.

That said Ashley isn't a terrible canidate either. Given the default Shepard is just a mere Soldier as well. Frankly Ashley is just as well suited for the Spectres, given few others have her kind of combat record and could be trusted well enough by the Council.

This makes me sad as I realize that it's always only going to be possible for one of them to be in ME3. Never again can you run around with your original squad of Ashley and Kaidan.

[Darth Kaktus]

JoeClose wrote...

Unless Ashley has cleaned up her attitude problem, I seriously don't see how she could be an effective Spectre and take orders from the Citadel Council. She's a xenophobe.

I have strong feeling that people calling Ashley xenophobe didnť bore to read her conversations fully and to the end. Because if so, they would realize that she isn't racist/xenophobe etc., but rather somehow careful about complete trust of alien races. 
Plus she isn't happy about Shepard joining Cerberus, which is rather xenophobe organziation. If she was that kind of person, she would be happy about Cerberus thing I guess.