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[armass]

Ashley doesnt trust aliens, but that doesnt make her a xenophobe. Just like tough i dont trust humans i don't know so well, doesnt make me a misanthrope.

Plus i think her mistrust is quite well justified, look at the galaxy: We got turians who's zealous patrol in first contact attacks us and conquers our colony for doing something we didnt even know was forbidden, we have another race called batarians who send slavers all around the fringe colonies to take humans, support pirate attacks and are just looking for an excuse for an all out war, we got krogans who love violence in all it's forms and not to mention, beyond the space is comming this unimaginably horrifying race of mind-controlling, 2 kilometer long machines that want to make us into goo and cyber zombies. (whew)

Not exactly a friendly universe.

Modifié par armass, 23 avril 2011 - 01:09 .

[marshalleck]

armass wrote...

Ashley doesnt trust aliens,

To put this in context, she doesn't trust aliens she doesn't know on a top-secret, classified Alliance prototype warship. Her "mistrust" of Wrex and Garrus is 100% reasonable given circumstances. She's a video game character, not an omnipotent third party observer. She doesn't know that Wrex and Garrus are your recruitable squadmates for this game and as such should be granted deference. 

Modifié par marshalleck, 23 avril 2011 - 01:09 .

[JaegerBane]

Zatwu wrote...

Now this is not meant to insult Ashley or anything, she's really good at fighting. But given the kind of things the Spectre's have to di I get the impression that there are a lot of logistics they need to be able to handle, and Ash has never demonstrated an ability for that. I can see her getting promoted pretty high, like I said she's a great soldier. She just dosn't seem subtle enough for a secret agent.

I must have missed the article too, but to be totally honest she's no more gung-ho than Tela Vasir was. And she's also a lot better at thinking through what she's doing than said idiot.

IIRC Spectres are chosen primarily on the basis of their ability to get results in hard situations, which can cover anyone from assassin-diplomats like Paragon shep and Nihlus to gung-ho killing machines like Vasir and Saren.

[naledgeborn]

Not trusting alien governments only 30 years after first contact doesn't make her a xenophobe. If anything it's common sense. And if anyone should hate aliens (which she explicitly doesn't) it's her family. And I'm more inclined to believe her caution is directed towards alien governments and militaries, not individuals. 

Modifié par naledgeborn, 23 avril 2011 - 01:33 .

[armass]

naledgeborn wrote...

Not trusting alien governments only 30 years after first contact doesn't make her a xenophobe. If anything it's common sense. And if anyone should hate aliens (which she explicitly doesn't) it's her family. And I'm more inclined to believe her caution is directed towards alien governments and militaries, not individuals. 

Agreed, i don't fully trust my own country's goverment, or military, not to mention a foreign country's. Many people dont trust their leaders. Doesnt mean i dont like my country, it's full of great, decent, hardworking people who want good. And unlike some other countries, we have never started a war here, with anyone. We love and enjoy peace.

Modifié par armass, 23 avril 2011 - 01:48 .

[KotOREffecT]

Ashley as a Spectre. Damn right.

Modifié par KotOREffecT, 23 avril 2011 - 01:50 .

[weazelwogger]

Do you think she can tell the aliens from the animals yet?

[Machazareel]

Anybody claiming she's some sort of xenophobic space-Hitler obviously hasn't read her journal.

That said, considering Shepard's actions that caused him to become a spectre, they've both done more than enough to warrent consideration in the ranks. It doesn't matter that they were helping Shepard, they contributed to saving the Citadel and bringing down Saren, in addition to having exemplary performance records and two years of apparantly classified operations.

Garrus is my bro, but I still don't see him ever becoming a Spectre, and if I recall correctly, neither does he.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

Ashley as a Spectre?

As I said in another thread, if she made some impressive accomplishments during Shepard's two year absence, I'm okay with it. If not, then no.

[corporal doody]

KotOREffecT wrote...

Ashley as a Spectre. Damn right.

i like that pic on my girl Liara ALOT!! she is exhibiting alil Kanye Taylor? imma let you finish....

[TomY90]

Too be honest I am not surpised about this one too be honest i wont be surprsied if Garrus becomes a spectre as well.

Maybe Miranda as well

[corporal doody]

i want to a see a Keeper as a Spectre! now they know how to get the job done!!

[BTG_01]

Ash's opinions about aliens are frequently exaggerated and I can't remember a single instance in which she disobeyed orders or went off-mission because of those opinions. Besides, Saren had a huge and public grudge against humans and he was an upstanding spectre, until he started communing with a giant mechanical cuttlefish. More to the point is that Ashley doesn't like the Council, the institution spectres take orders from (assuming you let them live).

[Machazareel]

You don't need to like someone to follow orders, though. I can't think of anyone from my old unit who particularly liked the brass.

[weazelwogger]

Em23 wrote...

They've got far better qualifications than shep had when she became one.

As an aside, people seem to forget that Shep was already a total badass before ME1 -- an N7 elite forces operator with the rank of Commander and a history of distinguished service.

[ADLegend21]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

Ashley as a Spectre?

As I said in another thread, if she made some impressive accomplishments during Shepard's two year absence, I'm okay with it. If not, then no.

She was on my tam that killed the saren husk, my adept only used his biotics to keep it form jumping around, she shot all the bullets. that's impressive enough.

[BTG_01]

Machazareel wrote...

You don't need to like someone to follow orders, though. I can't think of anyone from my old unit who particularly liked the brass.

Maybe I should have used a stronger phrase than "doesn't like." She has very strong objections to the Council that go beyond simple dislike. I get what you're saying, though.

[Ramirez Wolfen]

@ADLegend21 Not really, because the person who got all the attention was Shepard. And you just mentioned gameplay, which doesn't count.

[marshalleck]

BTG_01 wrote...

Machazareel wrote...

You don't need to like someone to follow orders, though. I can't think of anyone from my old unit who particularly liked the brass.

Maybe I should have used a stronger phrase than "doesn't like." She has very strong objections to the Council that go beyond simple dislike. I get what you're saying, though.

Objections which are entirely reasonable. Her metaphor with the dog and the bear is entirely apt regarding the Council races if you look at how they've exploited other species for their own ends. Using the krogan against the rachni is exactly the sort of action Ashley is wary of when she speaks of setting your dog on a bear and then running away. She's afraid that humanity will be used in the same way, and why not? It wouldn't be the first time the Council has been willing to throw an entire species under a bus to save their own.

Modifié par marshalleck, 23 avril 2011 - 02:17 .

[BTG_01]

marshalleck wrote...

BTG_01 wrote...

Machazareel wrote...

You don't need to like someone to follow orders, though. I can't think of anyone from my old unit who particularly liked the brass.

Maybe I should have used a stronger phrase than "doesn't like." She has very strong objections to the Council that go beyond simple dislike. I get what you're saying, though.

Objections which are entirely reasonable. Her metaphor with the dog and the bear is entirely apt regarding the Council races if you look at how they've exploited other species for their own ends. Using the krogan against the rachni is exactly the sort of action Ashley is wary of when she speaks of setting your dog on a bear and then running away. 

I didn't say anything about the validity of her objections, just that it makes taking orders from the Council problematic, assuming that they're still alive.

Just to clarify, I do like Ash and I'm fine with her as a spectre.

Modifié par BTG_01, 23 avril 2011 - 02:21 .

[ADLegend21]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@ADLegend21 Not really, because the person who got all the attention was Shepard. And you just mentioned gameplay, which doesn't count.

still,she helped kill a reaper,that's impressive enough. Everyone says that should have made garrus a spectre as well, the same can be said for Ash.

[MortalEngines]

marshalleck wrote...

They also did plenty of other shady things with their article, like clearly mixing "fact" and speculation on the same spread. PSM3's ME3 article was atrocious, and it doesn't matter how long you've been a fanboy--that's not relevant. 

I'm not a fanboy (firstly I'm not even male). All I'm saying is don't discredit the entire legitmacy of the article because of speculation. If people think that article was 'atrocious' they really need to read some of the other gaming magazines/journals out there, because gaming journalism as a whole hasn't exactly being fantastic. When something is fact, they clearly state it so, and they place speculation with words like 'we think' or 'we assume'. Just because people can't actually tell where speculation is present doesn't mean that the writers of the article are going to LIE about anything.

PSM isn't some backwater, unknown magazine, it's offical and pretty widely read. GI is not much better and I've seen some pretty bad GI articles. But GI has never lied, neither has PSM.

EDIT: I agree that the article was badly written in parts (especially the character section) but in other places it was actually pretty good.

Modifié par MortalEngines, 23 avril 2011 - 02:31 .

[Ramirez Wolfen]

@ADLegend21 I'm fine with Ashley or Kaidan becoming a Spectre, but I want to see something better than being in Shepard's shadow (as was Garrus).

[marshalleck]

Ramirez Wolfen wrote...

@ADLegend21 I'm fine with Ashley or Kaidan becoming a Spectre, but I want to see something better than being in Shepard's shadow (as was Garrus).

I would too, but Shepard casts a pretty big shadow. A couple failures on Shepard's part wouldn't hurt, to reduce him/her from demigod status.