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Truth to be told, Kaidan might make a decent spectre... but NO ONE spits on Shepard's name without punishment. I hope there will be an option to make Kaidan suffer for what he did on Horizon :)

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I'm surprised people are actually saying Kaidan would make a good Spectre and Ash wouldn't.

It's the complete opposite for me. Never can I imagine Kaidan a freaking Spectre lol.

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Ibanez2009 wrote...

Truth to be told, Kaidan might make a decent spectre... but NO ONE spits on Shepard's name without punishment. I hope there will be an option to make Kaidan suffer for what he did on Horizon :)


I know, I want my renegade intterupt lmao. It's cool we get another Human Spectre. But I keep seeing Ashley as a Human version of Saren...............Except she doesnt like all aliens lol.Pre ME3 that is.

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Ibanez2009 wrote...

Truth to be told, Kaidan might make a decent spectre... but NO ONE spits on Shepard's name without punishment. I hope there will be an option to make Kaidan suffer for what he did on Horizon :)


Just ask Gatatog Uvenk.

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shinobi602 wrote...

I'm surprised people are actually saying Kaidan would make a good Spectre and Ash wouldn't.

It's the complete opposite for me. Never can I imagine Kaidan a freaking Spectre lol.


lol I know right! Although Kaiden does have this whole calm cool qui gon jin vibe to him at times..

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She's good. Not Conrad Verner good but good nontheless.

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Destroy Raiden wrote...

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if a human was to be a spectre and run with Sheperd in ME3...why not a new character? I mean, this isnt Star Wars The Clone Wars (the animated series)!! the universe is HUGE yet everyone seems so damned familiar! im sure there are more than enough humans with qualifications better than those of Ashley or Kaidan and can be introduced in a believable way by the excellent writers employed by Bioware. i mean...Anderson was the first human candidate and he was N7. Sheperd was the first selected and he/she was N7. The elite. best of the best. top dogs. Ashley and Kaidan werent then...but im cool with them being so now...N7 i mean. 



This I could see them in N7 training but not a spector. Another human spector would be more believable.


^This^

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Kaidan would just complain about his history with biotics. Ashley would just complain about her family history and xenophobia. Neither are qualified, in my opinion, to be a Spectre. Garrus is the only person in Shepard's party that is truly qualified. His actions on Omega prove that.

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On top of that... Ashley is a racist! There is no place in my squad for racists.

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Ibanez2009 wrote...

On top of that... Ashley is a racist! There is no place in my squad for racists.


Ashley isn't racist, she's just prejudice.

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Yeah, I don't really think either Kaidan or Ashley are Spectre material. At least not yet. Ashley's still a tad human-centric IMO to really represent The Council, even if she's been Paragonned somewhat (though that said, I could see her being pushed into the role by Udina in a Sacrificed-Council outcome), and I'm not really confident that Kadian could make the tough decisions when push came to shove (i.e. I think he's a little too emotional and idealistic).

Garrus is about the only squaddie we've had IMO that is up there, and that's only really if he's really learned his lessons and matured after his previous revenge issues and doesn't end up wanting you to help him chase Dr. Sidoneon in ME3. Jacob would probably be the best human candidate thus far, but not until he actually finds himself and gets some perspective. Mordin, Samara and Wrex have the skills, intelligence and ability to, but are too married to their own causes, codes and beliefs to suit the role from a mental standpoint, IMO. Mordin's also getting on.

Pretty much everybody else is a "No" in my books, for various reasons. Miranda's too pro-human and arrogant, while also lacking self-confidence. Tali's still too young and green, and too worried about her people and The Geth. Jack, Zaeed and Grunt are too unstable and lack the proper mindsets and discipline. Thane hasn't long to live and functions better as a "Weapon" rather than a fully functional person. Liara tends to get too emotional. Kasumi, Legion and Morinth... just no.

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Legbiter wrote...

She's good. Not Conrad Verner good but good nontheless.


For truth.

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ADLegend21 wrote...

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@ADLegend21 Not really, because the person who got all the attention was Shepard. And you just mentioned gameplay, which doesn't count.

still,she helped kill a reaper,that's impressive enough. Everyone says that should have made garrus a spectre as well, the same can be said for Ash.Image IPB


If she was in your team at that time.

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In terms of prospective Spectres in my opinion Garrus > Miranda > Ashley/Kaidan.

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shinobi602 wrote...

I'm surprised people are actually saying Kaidan would make a good Spectre and Ash wouldn't.

It's the complete opposite for me. Never can I imagine Kaidan a freaking Spectre lol.


I imagine it would be hard for a crater to make a decent Spectre. Kaidan is more qualified by default.

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Proud to be on the Sheploo Spectre team!!!

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what's wrong with his teeth?

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Golden Owl wrote...

Destroy Raiden wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

if a human was to be a spectre and run with Sheperd in ME3...why not a new character? I mean, this isnt Star Wars The Clone Wars (the animated series)!! the universe is HUGE yet everyone seems so damned familiar! im sure there are more than enough humans with qualifications better than those of Ashley or Kaidan and can be introduced in a believable way by the excellent writers employed by Bioware. i mean...Anderson was the first human candidate and he was N7. Sheperd was the first selected and he/she was N7. The elite. best of the best. top dogs. Ashley and Kaidan werent then...but im cool with them being so now...N7 i mean. 



This I could see them in N7 training but not a spector. Another human spector would be more believable.


^This^

No, I don't think the last chapter of the game would be a good time to show a human SPECTRE that you have never heard about. No one  (or at least me) would think he was badass and cool. BW seems to force these, "Oh, I'm the best of the best and can kill entire armies, with my face... backwards... in spanish." and it is really unbelievable. If you were the best of the best, we would have heard about you by now. And no one wants some BK randy stealing the spotlight from established characters.

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Never liked Ash,don't think she's Spectre material...I'd much rather have Kaidan as a Spectre...but I would have to admit he doesnt seem to have what it takes.

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jakal66 wrote...

Never liked Ash,don't think she's Spectre material...I'd much rather have Kaidan as a Spectre...but I would have to admit he doesnt seem to have what it takes.


Well she won't be a Spectre if you left her on Virmire, which I'm guessing is what you did. So... yeah.

Also whats with everyone saying Ashely being xenophobic makes her unfit to be a spectre? If I remember correctly Renegade Shep is pretty xenophobic bastard. No need to be hypocritical guys. Besides she's not xenophobic , she just doesn't trust them.

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Zatwu wrote...

Now this is not meant to insult Ashley or anything, she's really good at fighting. But given the kind of things the Spectre's have to di I get the impression that there are a lot of logistics they need to be able to handle, and Ash has never demonstrated an ability for that. I can see her getting promoted pretty high, like I said she's a great soldier. She just dosn't seem subtle enough for a secret agent.


Hey, did I miss the part of the game in which Shepard was subtle?

or logistically or diplomatically adept?

Shepard is good at killin', fightin and - if we believe the expository writing - leadin'. 

Ashley is good at killin' and fightin'.

Ashley might be good at leadin'. We don't know for sure because we don't really get to see her attempt it.

If Ashley turns out to be good at leadin', then she is as qualified as Shepard. Even if she doesn't, she's still two-thirds as qualified as Shepard. What is the issue?

Modifié par Pups_of_war_76, 24 avril 2011 - 05:40 .


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snfonseka wrote...

If she was in your team at that time.


Gameplay. And not something they bothered to track, either.  I.e., story doesn't give a crap who was and was not on your team at any given time during ME1 except Virmire, and then only about Ash/Kaidan.

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annihilator27 wrote...

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Proud to be on the Sheploo Spectre team!!!


These never get old. I wonder what Wrex or Garrus might look like. (Sorry getting off-topic.)

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Jedi31293 wrote...

Kaidan would just complain about his history with biotics. Ashley would just complain about her family history and xenophobia. Neither are qualified, in my opinion, to be a Spectre. Garrus is the only person in Shepard's party that is truly qualified. His actions on Omega prove that.


You mean getting his entire team killed? :mellow:

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Personally, I think they both sucked. I looked for an option to leave them both on Virmire...