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[AkiKishi]

I guess if you really had a thing for Fenris you could do it for love. I have a Shepard who would destroy the Universe if Tali asked.

[OdanUrr]

I face the same problem as the OP. Granted, I'm sick and tired of every single apostate turning to blood magic and/or demons for help against the templars, why can't they use "good" magic and kick ass? I know I can. But for me it comes down to the reason why you're forced to choose one side or the other. In short, Meredith's arguments are shallow, just because some mages are evil doesn't mean all of them are (though DA2 certainly goes out of its way to depict ALL mages in Kirkwall as evil blood mages overly intent on ripping your guts out). The templars' argument that mages are bound to "turn to the dark side" as it were just because they can wield magic is ludicrous, and no matter what story DA2 tries to force on me it won't change that. Everyone has a dark side and everyone has the potential to do great things, whether they are good or evil is a CHOICE, not a genetic trait. Even if Orsino were a downright murderer, I would still side with the mages, because you cannot judge a group because of the actions of a single individual, that's just wrong. It doesn't matter whether the templars are the law because, when all is said and done, the law and justice are not necessarily the same thing.

Modifié par OdanUrr, 23 avril 2011 - 04:24 .

[Akka le Vil]

Isn't it funny how the "no spoiler allowed" part seems hard to read for so many idiots ?

[OdanUrr]

I tried my utmost to be as generic as humanly possible. XD

[ThomasBlaine]

Link Collins wrote...

Sure psychologically, Hawke feels abandoned by his father and is taking out the emotional pain on other mages, because he feels if his father wasn't a mage he could still be with him today.

Considering how Bethany is just as much of a mage, and how protective Hawke is of her in the opening, and in general, it can't seem to fit. That aside, I could still go for this if the games shallow dialogue had allowed for something so sophisticated.

...And it sounds just a tad too wussy for my Hawke to side with murderous zealots because of daddy issues...
..Again, how the hell did Carver pull it off?

Modifié par ThomasBlaine, 23 avril 2011 - 05:52 .

[ThomasBlaine]

Akka le Vil wrote...

Isn't it funny how the "no spoiler allowed" part seems hard to read for so many idiots ?

Isn't it funny how some people simply can't be casual about forum rules? No one's gotten hurt yet, please be civil.
And we're obviously trying to avoid major spoilers.

Modifié par ThomasBlaine, 23 avril 2011 - 05:46 .

[Russalka]

Judging by what Orsino eventually does is metagaming.

[Akka le Vil]

ThomasBlaine wrote...

Akka le Vil wrote...

Isn't it funny how the "no spoiler allowed" part seems hard to read for so many idiots ?

Isn't it funny how some people simply can't be casual about forum rules? No one's gotten hurt yet, please be civil.
And we're obviously trying to avoid major spoilers.

/facepalm

"hey, there is very specific rules to avoid spoiling the game for others, let's ignore them, and after all we're only detailing the final twists and the conclusion, it's not like it's big spoiler !"

Are you for real ?

[ThomasBlaine]

Akka le Vil wrote...

/facepalm

"hey, there is very specific rules to avoid spoiling the game for others, let's ignore them, and after all we're only detailing the final twists and the conclusion, it's not like it's big spoiler !"

Are you for real ?

Where do you see that, exactly? Stop dramatising please.
Btw, you wouldnt actually have an opinion on the subject, would you?

Modifié par ThomasBlaine, 23 avril 2011 - 06:10 .

[UltiPup]

Hard for me to side with them, believe me. But the mages weren't keeping up a good image for themselves. Magic is a danger and it needs to be controlled. DA2 shows that mages are not capable of this themselves so they need the templars. Sure the current system needs tweaks but the templars are not in the wrong for wanting to control mages.

[Saerwen]

My rational for siding w/the templars is this:
1. A life changing event happens in Hawke's life, which scars them
2. A resentment for having to be "on the run" their whole lives due to Bethany and Malcom
3. Almost every mage you stumble across resorts to Blood Magic, which I suppose is an issue if your character is not a Blood Mage

Now I have sided w/both mages and templars and aside from the above it  also boils down to how you RP your character.

Modifié par Saerwen, 23 avril 2011 - 07:01 .

[AkiKishi]

Saerwen wrote...

My rational for siding w/the templars is this:
1. A life changing event happens in Hawke's life, which scars them
2. A resentment for having to be "on the run" their whole lives due to Bethany and Malcom
3. Almost every mage you stumble across resorts to Blood Magic, which I suppose is an issue if your character is not a Blood Mage

Now I have sided w/both mages and templars and aside from the above it  also boils down to how you RP your character.

He does not resent Bethany though.
You could spin it as a mental break. Hawke is a mommies boy after all.

[Black-Xero]

There isn't.Side with the mages,they have power!

[ChickenDownUnder]

spoiler warning b here in this post

During my latest warrior playthrough I've been able to get away with Hawke siding with Templars because after his sister died of the darkspawn taint (that Chantry says mages spawned) + death of his mother by psycho mage, it'd be more rp-breaking if he helped even more mages run free.

[Eber]

There is something more important than being on the right side and that is being on the winning side. In a choice between joining the side that is doing the killing and the side that is doing the dieing I'm surprised so many choose the latter.

Modifié par Eber, 23 avril 2011 - 08:52 .

[silentassassin264]

Well although they did not elaborate much on Orsino's character, the part that is showed lets you know he is 10x worse than Meredith. Mages in Kirkwall have a tendency to all go murderously insane.

[ShepPunch]

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[prettyflywhiteguy]

Akka le Vil wrote...

Isn't it funny how the "no spoiler allowed" part seems hard to read for so many idiots ?

umad?

[Sabriana]

Honestly, because Hawke is the Champion of Kirkwall. She has to keep casualties of the civilians at a minimum. A extremely disturbed mage has just removed the Knight Commanders only obstacle to invoke the RoA. She has to decide on the spot (and without the privilege of calling a "committee meeting" or a "round table") what is best for the citizens of Kirkwall.

Stupid Anders has just condemned all the mages in Kirkwall with his action. She has run into Blood-mages and abominations time and time again. Her prime objective are the citizens of Kirkwall. Not the mages, and not the templars. Unfortunately, the game does not allow her to chose the only ones who truly deserve her protection.

[randName]

Sabriana wrote...

Honestly, because Hawke is the Champion of Kirkwall. She has to keep casualties of the civilians at a minimum. A extremely disturbed mage has just removed the Knight Commanders only obstacle to invoke the RoA. She has to decide on the spot (and without the privilege of calling a "committee meeting" or a "round table") what is best for the citizens of Kirkwall.

Stupid Anders has just condemned all the mages in Kirkwall with his action. She has run into Blood-mages and abominations time and time again. Her prime objective are the citizens of Kirkwall. Not the mages, and not the templars. Unfortunately, the game does not allow her to chose the only ones who truly deserve her protection.

Honestly at the end of DA2 I wish there was a "nuke Kirkwall" button, since not a single one of them deserves your effort.

The guards won't help you fight bandits, the civilians will not get out of your way when you are fighting to help them, and they won't allow you into the city because they are over crowded when in truth they are more barren of life than anything else.

[Alex Kershaw]

Bioware realised this and so made every mage into a blood mage/abomination

[Ryzaki]

ShepPunch wrote...

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This. 


This so much was my Hawke. Right down to the facepalm. 

[Sabriana]

randName wrote...

Honestly at the end of DA2 I wish there was a "nuke Kirkwall" button, since not a single one of them deserves your effort.

The guards won't help you fight bandits, the civilians will not get out of your way when you are fighting to help them, and they won't allow you into the city because they are over crowded when in truth they are more barren of life than anything else.

To be even more brutally honest, I don't understand why Hawke didn't give the whole of Kirkwall the stinky finger and moved on to better pastures. There was truly no reason for her to stay on after a certain point.

Anders will still do whatever he does, no matter what. MacGuffin and possession are still going to go on. Nothing she does will make any kind of difference. She's the "cleaning woman" all through. So please, why the heck would she stay there? It makes little sense to me.

[astrallite]

Meredith's decisions were correct given the entire city was 99.9% blood mages. Although given her insanity, it appears it was only a coincidence and not out of logical deduction.

Modifié par astrallite, 23 avril 2011 - 10:51 .