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KnightofPhoenix wrote...

IanPolaris wrote...
*whiff* Was that the sound of a missed opportunity I heard?

-Polaris

One out of so many.

One out of so, so, so many . . . .

[Eternal Phoenix]

One out of so, so, so, so, so, so, many, many.....

[jlb524]

Mash Mashington wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

Anders is possessed by a spirit turned demon.
Merril is possessed by a demon.
Both care only about their goals more than anything else and will sacrifice anyone and anything to achieve them. 

I don't understand, why do people find it so offensive if a character values his/her own goals higher than player's agenda? Your companions have their own minds and that's actually the wonderfulest thing. I'd so hate to find my protagonist surrounded by a horde of fangirls doing whatever this protagonist wishes

/unrelated rant

Preach it. 

Also, saying those characters only care about themselves or their goals is simplifying it a bit...nah, a lot!

[Eternal Phoenix]

Mash Mashington wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

Anders is possessed by a spirit turned demon.
Merril is possessed by a demon.
Both care only about their goals more than anything else and will sacrifice anyone and anything to achieve them. 

I don't understand, why do people find it so offensive if a character values his/her own goals higher than player's agenda? Your companions have their own minds and that's actually the wonderfulest thing. I'd so hate to find my protagonist surrounded by a horde of fangirls doing whatever this protagonist wishes

/unrelated rant

Well some of the stuff going on in Kirkwall should involve them. Instead we have Merril wondering off for her demon and Anders being...a *****. It's meant to be about HAWKE and when I'm playing - I BECOME HAWKE. I AM HAKWE!!!!!


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[Rifneno]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...


Merril is possessed by a demon.

What is this heading to my face? Is is my palm? Yes, it is.

Blood mages and possessed mages are the same really. Someone still died for Merril's actions so that makes her just as bad as a possessed mage. Your point being?

If I had to guess I'd say the point is that you have no idea what you're talking about.  It's an excellent point too.

Edit:  Oh, and I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that all Merethari had to do was leave a post-it saying "Gone to jump on Merrill's grenade.  Tootles."  She knows her clan is a bunch of bigoted morons, in fact she helped them get that way at least in regard to Merrill.  It's not hard to guess what they'd do in the likely scenario that they thought Merrill killed her.

Modifié par Rifneno, 23 avril 2011 - 10:04 .

[Eternal Phoenix]

Rifneno wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...


Merril is possessed by a demon.

What is this heading to my face? Is is my palm? Yes, it is.

Blood mages and possessed mages are the same really. Someone still died for Merril's actions so that makes her just as bad as a possessed mage. Your point being?

If I had to guess I'd say the point is that you have no idea what you're talking about.  It's an excellent point too.

Edit:  Oh, and I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that all Merethari had to do was leave a post-it saying "Gone to jump on Merrill's grenade.  Tootles."  She knows her clan is a bunch of bigoted morons, in fact she helped them get that way at least in regard to Merrill.  It's not hard to guess what they'd do in the likely scenario that they thought Merrill killed her.

It's a bad point. You obviously weren't paying attention to Kepmethfaria's words. She said someone had to pay for the blood magic Merril learnt and she decided to accept that place. Merril is still to blame for learning blood magic. If Kepmerfarias's never took that place, it would have only have been a matter of time before Merril became an abomination herself and killed her clan, passing travellers and then herself.

[HogarthHughes 3]

Learning/using blood magic does not mean that someone must die. When Marethari says that line about "you always knew there would be a price for your blood magic," its more like karma than any actual rule. She was just saying that dabbling in such dangerous things would have a price. Marethari was certain that Merrill wouldn't be able to resist the demon once it came through the mirror, so she would rather Merrill be forced to kill her and kick the demon back to the fade (or destroy it? not exactly sure about how/if demons can be destroyed for good).

[Dante Angelo]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Merril is possessed by a demon.

What!!??? That makes no sense. Just because she's a blood mage doesn't mean she's possessed.BTW Elton John is not dead I just saw him on the news the other day

[Eternal Phoenix]

Dante Angelo wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

Merril is possessed by a demon.

What!!??? That makes no sense. Just because she's a blood mage doesn't mean she's possessed.BTW Elton John is not dead I just saw him on the news the other day

I mispoke then. She made a deal with a demon and deals with demons never end well.

Also:

Nope. He's dead:




What you see on the site is an illusion I have created and the current "Elton John" is just an imposter I created. I killed the real one ages ago and this screen print is what I see on my computer. Only computers that are of the government see the truth. To make his death not link to me, I made it look like a suicide. The government have kept this quiet because I paid them and excuse the age, I took him back into the past to kill him. It's complicated and my reasons for killing him is complicated too.

Of course, none of you will believe me and I don't care. I like it that way. If people did believe me, I'd be fighting the police. 

[LobselVith8]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Elton John is dead wrote...

Merril is possessed by a demon.

What is this heading to my face? Is is my palm? Yes, it is.

Blood mages and possessed mages are the same really. Someone still died for Merril's actions so that makes her just as bad as a possessed mage. Your point being?

No, blood mages and possessed mages aren't the same thing. And nobody died over Merrill's actions. You keep making inaccurate comments.

Elton John is dead wrote...

1. Elbernita wouldn't be able to stop anyone if the mages and Templars started an open war with each other.

Grand Cleric Elthina could have done something because she's the highest ranking member of the Chantry in Kirkwall, but instead she did nothing.

Elton John is dead wrote...

2. Then if Anders knew he would be killing mages. He could have blown the Gallows up - the part where The Templars hanged about. If Anders had killed Elbernita. Chopped off her head and brought it to Orinoco and Meredith, Meredith still would have called for the Rite of annulementia since she was close to doing it anyway, even Orinoco states this. Who knows how many people were in The Chantry? Children could have been there on Sunday praying and !BOOM! - they all die because Anders thought a boom would be good.

Except we see from the cutscene Grand Cleric Elthina with clergy and templars. And children die because Knight-Commander Meredith orders the Right of Annulment and orders the murder of every Circle mage because of the actions of an apostate, but you seem to have no problem with that.

Elton John is dead wrote...

3. A clan is a family and Keeper Mathrian was trying to keep Merril safe (and the clan below where the demon was) if that demon was released, it could have killed the clan. Point being - blood magic always causes death. Someone has to die if it is to be used. Whether that be the user or someone else. In the end, the demon broke free anyone, thankfully Hawke was there to beat it with his beard.

No, the clan tries to murder Merrill in cold blood after mistreating her for several years. And blood magic doesn't always cause death - we can look at Finn's ritual to find the Eluvian and see that no one needed to die in order for Finn's ritual to work.

Elton John is dead wrote...

4. Demons are evil in the Dragon Age world too. The feed on greed, death and sloth and every other bad and negative element. Blood magic comes from them and requires someone to die so yep, it's evil.

No, some believe blood magic comes from them, but we see from Jowan that this isn't always the case, and even Anders addresses the possibility of learning blood magic without a demon.

Elton John is dead wrote...

5. Answer 1 addressed this.

Again, you don't address that Grand Cleric Elthina has authority, which she used to order templars to take First Enchanter Orsino back to the Gallows, but did nothing about the Qunari or the abuse of power demonstrated by Meredith.

Elton John is dead wrote...

6. Hmmm but Wayne didn't ask for the spirit and that's what it is. It's not a demon since it wants to help unlike Vengeance who wants to kill. Regardless, did I ever support her? I asked for a Circle Mage who is normal - no demons - no spirits - just a normal magic user.

Justice wants to see the mages free, that's why he wanted to bond with Anders.

[LobselVith8]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Well some of the stuff going on in Kirkwall should involve them. Instead we have Merril wondering off for her demon and Anders being...a *****. It's meant to be about HAWKE and when I'm playing - I BECOME HAWKE. I AM HAKWE!!!!!

Merrill isn't "wondering off" (sp?) for a demon, she is focused on restoring the lost culture of Arlathan to help the Dalish prosper, which is no different than the Warden going into the Frostback Mountains to find a mythical urn during a time of Blight. Both characters are risking their lives for the unknown, but the rewards could mean an irrevocable and transformative change for their respective people.

Elton John is dead wrote...

It's a bad point. You obviously weren't paying attention to Kepmethfaria's words. She said someone had to pay for the blood magic Merril learnt and she decided to accept that place. Merril is still to blame for learning blood magic. If Kepmerfarias's never took that place, it would have only have been a matter of time before Merril became an abomination herself and killed her clan, passing travellers and then herself.

Wrong. Marethari accepted the demon Audacity into her because she assumed that the Eluvian could be a gateway into the real world, and based on these assumptions she accepted the demon into her. Merrill is not to blame for the actions of another adult who endangered her entire clan by remaining in Sundermount and turned into an abomination because of her speculations.

[Xilizhra]

Or, perhaps, it was Audacity's plan all along to possess Marethari and Merrill was only a pawn to provoke Marethari's fears. It makes a bit more sense than the Eluvian acting as some sort of teleportation device linked to the Sundermount idol.

[IanPolaris]

Xilizhra wrote...

Or, perhaps, it was Audacity's plan all along to possess Marethari and Merrill was only a pawn to provoke Marethari's fears. It makes a bit more sense than the Eluvian acting as some sort of teleportation device linked to the Sundermount idol.

That's kind of what I'm thinking.  This was an elaborate and long term plan by Audicity to turn the Keeper into his personal doll using Merrill as the unwilling lever.  It makes perfect sense fora  Demon that's been trapped in the idol fo thousands of years to consider a 7year plan to be a very short term investment of time and resources.

-Polaris

[In Exile]

LobselVith8 wrote..
Merrill isn't "wondering off" (sp?) for a demon, she is focused on restoring the lost culture of Arlathan to help the Dalish prosper, which is no different than the Warden going into the Frostback Mountains to find a mythical urn during a time of Blight. Both characters are risking their lives for the unknown, but the rewards could mean an irrevocable and transformative change for their respective people.

Merril is consumed, not focused, by the idea that somehow restoring the blighted Eluvian would allow her to regain some part of Arlathan, and is willing to sacrifice anything for that. It isn't any different than Duncan kidnapping people  left and right and blackmailing them into the Wardens in terms of her strength of conviction... but the difference is that only one of them has any actual proof that the idea isn't insane.

As for the Urn... well, the game forces you to do that bit.

Wrong. Marethari accepted the demon Audacity into her because she assumed that the Eluvian could be a gateway into the real world, and based on these assumptions she accepted the demon into her. Merrill is not to blame for the actions of another adult who endangered her entire clan by remaining in Sundermount and turned into an abomination because of her speculations.

So (going back to a point we debated in a previous thread) we accept that Marethari could have had any capacity at all to teach Merril countermeasures for demonic possession, but we don't believe that she could in any way understand what an Eluvian might be, what the plot of a demon could be, and where the situation might end up?

Merril is at fault for her speculation that the anything she was doing wasn't part of the demons plot; we're just speculating about speculation, if we assume characters are unreliable. Don't cherry-pick your facts.

If we can't grant that  Marethari was justified in her belief, there is no reason to believe Merril was justified in hers. However you look at it, their position (evidence wise) is equivalent.

That being said, Merril was perfectly willing to accept the cost of her actions and tried to some extent to insulate everyone from the harm of her obsession... with the only difference being that she had no contingency plan if she failed and freed Audacity.

[TheBlackBaron]

In Exile wrote...
That being said, Merril was perfectly willing to accept the cost of her actions and tried to some extent to insulate everyone from the harm of her obsession... with the only difference being that she had no contingency plan if she failed and freed Audacity.

I'd like to point out that if you're going to hold that against her, then Marethari likewise had no contingency plan if Hawke and Merrill and Co. failed to slay her. That outcome is even worse, considering she just let an ancient and powerful Pride Demon possess a very powerful mage that's the leader of a rather sizeable Dalish clan.

What's that you say, GLaDOS? "Nice job breaking it, hero?" 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 24 avril 2011 - 08:07 .

[LobselVith8]

In Exile wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote..
Merrill isn't "wondering off" (sp?) for a demon, she is focused on restoring the lost culture of Arlathan to help the Dalish prosper, which is no different than the Warden going into the Frostback Mountains to find a mythical urn during a time of Blight. Both characters are risking their lives for the unknown, but the rewards could mean an irrevocable and transformative change for their respective people.

Merril is consumed, not focused, by the idea that somehow restoring the blighted Eluvian would allow her to regain some part of Arlathan, and is willing to sacrifice anything for that. It isn't any different than Duncan kidnapping people  left and right and blackmailing them into the Wardens in terms of her strength of conviction... but the difference is that only one of them has any actual proof that the idea isn't insane.

As for the Urn... well, the game forces you to do that bit.

Merrill is focused on saving her people, who are slowly losing their magic and have been without a homeland for centuries, by trying to restore the lost knowledge of Arlathan. Merrill is only willing to sacrifice her life when she is going to deal with the demon Audacity, and asks Hawke to kill her if the gamble doesn't pay off. We never get to see whether the Eluvian could have been restored, because Marethari accepts a demon into her.

In Exile wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote..

Wrong. Marethari accepted the demon Audacity into her because she assumed that the Eluvian could be a gateway into the real world, and based on these assumptions she accepted the demon into her. Merrill is not to blame for the actions of another adult who endangered her entire clan by remaining in Sundermount and turned into an abomination because of her speculations.

So (going back to a point we debated in a previous thread) we accept that Marethari could have had any capacity at all to teach Merril countermeasures for demonic possession, but we don't believe that she could in any way understand what an Eluvian might be, what the plot of a demon could be, and where the situation might end up?

The Keeper did not possess psychic abilities, she couldn't know what Audacity had planned, and she allowed a demon to enter her body because she made assumptions about what would happen.

In Exile wrote...

Merril is at fault for her speculation that the anything she was doing wasn't part of the demons plot; we're just speculating about speculation, if we assume characters are unreliable. Don't cherry-pick your facts.

Feel free to stop providing your speculation and asserting it as indisputable fact. Merrill was restoring the Eluvian through the information she gathered from the shard and the lore she gathered. She was planning this before she encountered Audacity, and the demon's plan all along could have been for Marethari. The demon could have planted the thought that it was going to use the Eluvian to enter the world, which would explain why she thought such a thing was even possible.

In Exile wrote...

If we can't grant that  Marethari was justified in her belief, there is no reason to believe Merril was justified in hers. However you look at it, their position (evidence wise) is equivalent. 

Merrill's conviction only endangered her life, while Marethari's endangered the entire clan. That's the difference between the two of them.

In Exile wrote...

That being said, Merril was perfectly willing to accept the cost of her actions and tried to some extent to insulate everyone from the harm of her obsession... with the only difference being that she had no contingency plan if she failed and freed Audacity.

Hawke was the contingency plan. Weren't you paying attention when she asks Hawke to kill her if she turns into an abomination?

[In Exile]

TheBlackBaron wrote...
I'd like to point out that if you're
going to hold that against her, then Marethari likewise had no
contingency plan if Hawke and Merrill and Co. failed to slay her. That
outcome is even worse, considering she just let an ancient and powerful
Pride Demon possess a very powerful mage that's the leader of a rather
sizeable Dalish clan.

What's that you say, GLaDOS? "Nice job
breaking it, hero?"

Oh, Marethari is an idiot. I just think that Merril tried not to be naive about her deal with demons, and I appreciate her frankness. That doesn't neccesarily justify her use of blood magic or her obsession, but it places her on an entirely different plane of existence compared to the other blood mages we meet.

Merril is willing to sacrifice everything for what she thinks is the greater good. That's a noble end, at least for her. But that just goes back to Fenril's point: mages can always come to think the need is so great that it justified blood magic.

LobselVith8 wrote...
Merrill is focused on saving her people, who are slowly losing their magic and have been without a homeland for centuries, by trying to restore the lost knowledge of Arlathan. Merrill is only willing to sacrifice her life when she is going to deal with the demon Audacity, and asks Hawke to kill her if the gamble doesn't pay off. We never get to see whether the Eluvian could have been restored, because Marethari accepts a demon into her.

No, Merril is consumed. She abandons her clan and her role as future keeper, she isolates herself in the Alienage and makes no effort to help the elves there, she spends all her time polishing the Eluvian... it's an obsession, pure and simple.

She believes that the restoration of the Eluvian will somehow help; but she doesn't have an answer as to why.

The Keeper did not possess psychic abilities, she couldn't know what Audacity had planned, and she allowed a demon to enter her body because she made assumptions about what would happen.

It's almost amazing how you can bring up an argument that's universal, that discredits your own, and yet just not see how that works.

I completely agree with you... and will point out that exactly the same applies to Merril's obsession. Marethari was obsessed with proving a point to Merril and making her the future keeper at any cost, and destroyed her clan in the prosses. Merril was obsessed with the Eluvian and restoring it at any cost, and destroyed her clan in the process.

What a winner, that Merril.

Feel free to stop providing your speculation and asserting it as indisputable fact. Merrill was restoring the Eluvian through the information she gathered from the shard and the lore she gathered.

Only when you stop providing yours in the very sentence you admonish my doing so.

The Keeper made it clear that the Eluvian was not worth restoring, on the basis she had gathered and the lore she had.

So why is Merril somehow the undisputed authority on how the Eluvian works. Why is her story the one that's justified?

She was planning this before she encountered Audacity, and the demon's plan all along could have been for Marethari. The demon could have planted the thought that it was going to use the Eluvian to enter the world, which would explain why she thought such a thing was even possible.

The Keeper refused Merril the resources she needed to restore the Eluvian on her own because of the dangers she believed it posed, based on the lore she gathered and the information she had.

So, again, why is Merril the special snowflake? Your argument is reflexive and undermines itself.

But let's say the demon planned for the Keeper from the start. Then Merril's at fault for so arrogantly assuming that her dealings with the demon were restricted to her and for not considering the nature of the Keeper went she went out to pursue her obsession.

Merrill's conviction only endangered her life, while Marethari's endangered the entire clan. That's the difference between the two of them.

Merril's conviction endangered the world, because she'd unleash a pride abomination if she messed up. Merril did not care that the Keeper stuck around for her sake and did not care that her clan saw her as a traitor for what she was doing.

All that mattered to her was the mirror, the price of it be damned.

Hawke was the contingency plan. Weren't you paying attention when she asks Hawke to kill her if she turns into an abomination?

Right, because that isn't stupid at all. Well, if someone goes wrong I'll just ask my friend or lover to kill me. Spectacular. Well, as it turns out, the Keeper had the exact same plan. Someone even pointed it out in this very thread.

But Merril and the Keeper's situation is irrelevant. All that's at issue here is that you're somehow peddling the unsubstantiated information Merril had as truth and ignoring the Keeper's side, although the information either had is absolutely unjustified in game and we only have your word to go on. 

I don't care whether or not you support Merril; I just don't like double standards.

[LobselVith8]

[quote]In Exile wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...
Merrill is focused on saving her people, who are slowly losing their magic and have been without a homeland for centuries, by trying to restore the lost knowledge of Arlathan. Merrill is only willing to sacrifice her life when she is going to deal with the demon Audacity, and asks Hawke to kill her if the gamble doesn't pay off. We never get to see whether the Eluvian could have been restored, because Marethari accepts a demon into her.[/quote]

No, Merril is consumed. She abandons her clan and her role as future keeper, she isolates herself in the Alienage and makes no effort to help the elves there, she spends all her time polishing the Eluvian... it's an obsession, pure and simple.

She believes that the restoration of the Eluvian will somehow help; but she doesn't have an answer as to why. [/quote]

Merrill is trying to save her people by restoring their lost knowledge of Arlathan. She's trying to help all the elves through building the Eluvian. She finds it a worthwhile endeavor to devote her time to.

[quote]In Exile wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

The Keeper did not possess psychic abilities, she couldn't know what Audacity had planned, and she allowed a demon to enter her body because she made assumptions about what would happen.[/quote]

It's almost amazing how you can bring up an argument that's universal, that discredits your own, and yet just not see how that works.

I completely agree with you... and will point out that exactly the same applies to Merril's obsession. Marethari was obsessed with proving a point to Merril and making her the future keeper at any cost, and destroyed her clan in the prosses. Merril was obsessed with the Eluvian and restoring it at any cost, and destroyed her clan in the process.

What a winner, that Merril. [/quote]

Marethari makes a calculated decision that endangers her entire clan, and can lead to their deaths. Merrill makes a decision to restore a two thousand year old elven artificact that can provide her people with the lost knowledge of their culture, and possibly restore them to what they once were. The scenerios are completely different.

[quote]In Exile wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

Feel free to stop providing your speculation and asserting it as indisputable fact. Merrill was restoring the Eluvian through the information she gathered from the shard and the lore she gathered. [/quote]

Only when you stop providing yours in the very sentence you admonish my doing so.

The Keeper made it clear that the Eluvian was not worth restoring, on the basis she had gathered and the lore she had.

So why is Merril somehow the undisputed authority on how the Eluvian works. Why is her story the one that's justified? [/quote]

Marethari had an opinion, and Merrill had hers. Marethari's opinion isn't indisputable fact. She thought that the Eluvian was tainted, and this wasn't the case. Marethari makes this explicitly clear when she talks about the "corruption" from the mirrior being what she thinks will happen if Merrill tries to restore it. Marethari was wrong, because Merrill never gets tainted with darkspawn corruption. Then Marethari thought that Audacity may enter the world through the Eluvian, and I don't see why we should take her newest opinion on the matter as fact when she never backs up her claim with anything to support it.

[quote]In Exile wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

She was planning this before she encountered Audacity, and the demon's plan all along could have been for Marethari. The demon could have planted the thought that it was going to use the Eluvian to enter the world, which would explain why she thought such a thing was even possible.[/quote]

The Keeper refused Merril the resources she needed to restore the Eluvian on her own because of the dangers she believed it posed, based on the lore she gathered and the information she had.

So, again, why is Merril the special snowflake? Your argument is reflexive and undermines itself.  [/quote]

Because Marethari's fears aren't based on lore, it's based on the fear that the Eluvian still carries the corruption. This is made clear when Merrill confronts Marethari over Pol's death.

[quote]In Exile wrote...

But let's say the demon planned for the Keeper from the start. Then Merril's at fault for so arrogantly assuming that her dealings with the demon were restricted to her and for not considering the nature of the Keeper went she went out to pursue her obsession. [/quote]

Don't blame one adult for the actions of another adult. Marethari is a grown woman. She's responsible for her own actions.

[quote]In Exile wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

Merrill's conviction only endangered her life, while Marethari's endangered the entire clan. That's the difference between the two of them.[/quote]

Merril's conviction endangered the world, because she'd unleash a pride abomination if she messed up. Merril did not care that the Keeper stuck around for her sake and did not care that her clan saw her as a traitor for what she was doing.

All that mattered to her was the mirror, the price of it be damned. [/quote]

The world wasn't in danger, and Merrill put her life on the line while she got Hawke to be ready to kill her if things went wrong. Hawke has faced a plethora of creatures, including abominations and demons. Merrill's convictions didn't endanger the world, and she wasn't a traitor. She didn't betray the Dalish, she wanted to help them.

[quote]In Exile wrote...

[quote]LobselVith8 wrote...

Hawke was the contingency plan. Weren't you paying attention when she asks Hawke to kill her if she turns into an abomination?[/quote]

Right, because that isn't stupid at all. Well, if someone goes wrong I'll just ask my friend or lover to kill me. Spectacular. Well, as it turns out, the Keeper had the exact same plan. Someone even pointed it out in this very thread. [/quote]

Problem is the Keeper accepted a demon into her before Hawke and Merrill arrived, since the totem is empty when they reach the top of the mountain. One might say it was pride that lead Marethari to such an action.

[quote]In Exile wrote...

But Merril and the Keeper's situation is irrelevant. All that's at issue here is that you're somehow peddling the unsubstantiated information Merril had as truth and ignoring the Keeper's side, although the information either had is absolutely unjustified in game and we only have your word to go on. 

I don't care whether or not you support Merril; I just don't like double standards. [/quote]

I'm addressing that Merrill is rebuilding the Eluvian based on lore she gathered while Marethari is afraid because of her own unsubstantiated fears that the corruption will get Merrill like it did Tamlen.

[Critical Miss]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Merril is possessed by a demon.

Merril isn't possessed by a demon. The Keeper took on that responsibility and Merril is unaware of this. If Merril had been possessed by a demon she might have had more insight in regards to the mirror.

As for circle mages, just give me normal mages please. Morrigan is what I would call a sensible mage and had knowledge and awareness. She had a far better teacher than what the Circle could produce.

Modifié par Critical Miss, 24 avril 2011 - 11:26 .

[Eternal Phoenix]

When Keeper Kempsmafaria car at £3000 yes it can be believed! saw Merril for the last time. She said their was always a price to pay for the blood magic. This isn't some Karma force she was talking about - because to use blood magic, a pact is made with a demon, eventually they're going to take over you or you're going to have to do something really evil. Name one good blood mage who has not done anything wrong (and this can't be the PC), even a blood mage who we thought was good turned about to be a man man interested in necromancy. There's only Alvin and how will it take for demons to make him do something bad if you told the Templars to spare him? Point being, Merril is to blame for the death of her clan. It's her actions with the mirror that led up to the death. If she hadn't accepted the blood magic, she would never have needed to leave her clan and if she wasn't messing with the mirror her clan would never have died.

Anders on the otherhand blew up The Chantry just because he hated it. This is clear. If he wanted to start a rebellion, he could have simply murder knifed Elbernita and brought her head to Orinoco and Meredith. With no Elbernita, Meredith could do what she wanted and she was basically waiting for something like that to happen so she could call for the rite of renewing car insurance for £20? You're havin a laugh! A circle mage who supports Templars is needed next time. We can have all these crazy mages too but if we're playing a mage hating character, it makes no sense. You've got options to say how much you hate mages but you (along with Fenris and Sebastian) say nothing to the Templars about it, so you're basically hiding them.

[Cutlass Jack]

The Angry One wrote...

By "Merril killing her own clan" you mean "Merril's clan are a bunch of psychopaths who attack to the last civilian at the slightest provocation".

That or he means "I'm blaming Merril for my conversation choices." (Since the fight can be avoided.)

Hmm probably a mix of both. Because her clan really is that stupid. I think they drank from the same water as the Mages did.

[Rifneno]

Cutlass Jack wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

By "Merril killing her own clan" you mean "Merril's clan are a bunch of psychopaths who attack to the last civilian at the slightest provocation".

That or he means "I'm blaming Merril for my conversation choices." (Since the fight can be avoided.)

Hmm probably a mix of both. Because her clan really is that stupid. I think they drank from the same water as the Mages did.

I know, right?  It's like the Dalish go out of their way to make you wonder if the anti-elf racism is actually warranted.  My favorite part is that they still call humans "shemlen."  It means "quick children," and is what the ancient immortal elves of old called humans.  Because for someone that's still called young at 800, humans of course seemed to come and go in a flash.  The problem with that is modern elves aren't immortal.  You're "shems" now too, bunch of freaks.

[Xilizhra]

Meh, I can't really blame them for being pissy about their whole culture being wiped out. Though I can blame them for going into all out murder rage mode.

[Joy Divison]

Considering how observant the OP is on matters which are easily verified such as whether Elton John in alive or dead, is it even worth arguing w/ him over things he clearly has no idea?

Merrill is possessed by a demon? Did you even play the game?