LobselVith8 wrote...
Merrill is trying to save her people by restoring their lost knowledge of Arlathan. She's trying to help all the elves through building the Eluvian. She finds it a worthwhile endeavor to devote her time to.
Okay. Since it seems you are incapable of seeing how reflexive your argument is, I'm going to do the following:
The Keeper is trying to save her people by preventing the restoration of a dangerous artifact of Arlathan and securing the most capable future Keeper she could. She's trying to help all leves by preventing the Blighted Eluvian from being re-built. She finds it a worthwile endeavor to devote her time to.
As of right now, the situation between the two is equivalent.
Marethari makes a calculated decision that endangers her entire clan, and can lead to their deaths. Merrill makes a decision to restore a two thousand year old elven artificact that can provide her people with the lost knowledge of their culture, and possibly restore them to what they once were. The scenerios are completely different.
Merril makes a calculated decision that endagers herentire clan, and that can lead to their deaths (by risking the release of a pride demon in Sundermount which she acknowledges could have been trapped there by her people and abandoning her clan without a First). Marethari makes a deceision to prevent restoring a blighted two thousand year old elven articated that directly led to the deaths of two of her people and which she believes could be restored against the reccomendation of her superior in lore and authority. The scenarios are completely identical.
Marethari had an opinion, and Merrill had hers. Marethari's opinion isn't indisputable fact. She thought that the Eluvian was tainted, and this wasn't the case. Marethari makes this explicitly clear when she talks about the "corruption" from the mirrior being what she thinks will happen if Merrill tries to restore it. Marethari was wrong, because Merrill never gets tainted with darkspawn corruption. Then Marethari thought that Audacity may enter the world through the Eluvian, and I don't see why we should take her newest opinion on the matter as fact when she never backs up her claim with anything to support it.
Merril had an opinion, and Marithari had hers. Merril's opinion isn't indesputable fact. She knew the Eluvian was tainted and this was the case (which she admits to Hawke when she mentions how Tamriel died) and then believes that because it was broken it would neither be tainted, nor dangerous, if she restored it.
Marethari wasn't wrong because Merril never completes the mirror and so we never see if her prediction bears out just as we never see Merril's. There is no evidence Marethari was wrong, because Merril never finishes the mirror and we never see whether or not it taints her. Then Merril didn't think Audacity may enter the world through the Eluvian, and I don't see why we should take any of her opinion on the matter as fact when she never backs up her claim with anything to support it.
Once again; same argument, sides reversed. To quote Varric: ''Point. Missing it.''
This is, of course, ingoring that if you want to grant that Merril had any reason to believe the mirror would actually restore knowledge of Arlathan, there would be no reason by that standard not to grant that the Keeper had knowledge that the mirror would do the opposite other than taking Merril's word for it and you deny that taking anyone's word for it is evidence given your view on Audacity and the Keeper.
Because Marethari's fears aren't based on lore, it's based on the fear that the Eluvian still carries the corruption. This is made clear when Merrill confronts Marethari over Pol's death.
No. Marethari believes that the mirror is dangerous and will be corrupt if rebuilt. Merrill believes that her bloodmagic ritual cleaned the shard, but we have no evidence for it.
Don't blame one adult for the actions of another adult. Marethari is a grown woman. She's responsible for her own actions.
Excellent. Then Merril is responsible for continuing to push foward with her obsession knowing full well her entire clanned was on Sundermount and that a freed Audacity could immediate kill them all.
The world wasn't in danger, and Merrill put her life on the line while she got Hawke to be ready to kill her if things went wrong. Hawke has faced a plethora of creatures, including abominations and demons. Merrill's convictions didn't endanger the world, and she wasn't a traitor. She didn't betray the Dalish, she wanted to help them.
And Marethari wasn't putting her clan in danger. Hawke has faced a plethora of ...
You get the point. Marethari wasn't endagering her clan and she wasn't irresponsible. She didn't betray the Dalish, she wanted to help them, by giving them the best future Keeper they could have.
Seriously, we can keep this up all day.
In Exile wrote...
Problem is the Keeper accepted a demon into her before Hawke and Merrill arrived, since the totem is empty when they reach the top of the mountain. One might say it was pride that lead Marethari to such an action.
Yes, because certanly it wasn't pride on Merril's part that she alone could save the Dalish by restoring this magical artefact. No, she was entirely well-justified and absolutely nothing went wrong with her jaunt at all.
I'm addressing that Merrill is rebuilding the Eluvian based on lore she gathered while Marethari is afraid because of her own unsubstantiated fears that the corruption will get Merrill like it did Tamlen.
There's no lore Merril gathered!
We have no evidence of it. We have, "Merril said". Well, you know who else said? The Keeper.
There's no point in us continuing to talk about this. You're married to the idea that Merril was right and the Keeper was wrong and no amount of debate is going to change that.
We should let this go.
Modifié par In Exile, 24 avril 2011 - 03:28 .
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